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[AresKeith]

It doesn't guarantee it, no, but it makes wanting the Inquisitor to return very understandable, and if Bioware didn't see that coming, I'd be surprised.

 

I'm sure Bioware did, since fans do it all the time lol

[TeaLulu]

I'd honestly like a choice next game, as difficult as that sounds. Like Awakening, you could choose between your old Warden and a new one if your previous Warden ate it.

 

Its just a matter of making the different parts work together. 

1) You have to have an intro-area, almost exactly like Origins had. Each character would need to have that introduction. If its divided just by race, thats Qunari, Dwarf, Elf, Human, and then an intro for the Inquisitor (Maybe 2, 1 for disbanded Inquisition and 1 for a maintained presence.). Thats 5 different "origins" for the game; Not too difficult. Or, it could just be TWO Intros: One for Inquisitor characters, and one for non-inquisitors. 

2) You have to have different dialogue for the characters who know the Inquisitor. Thats not too hard, because they already do that for scenes depending on your race or loyalty levels, etc. The only characters from Inquisition I could see you interacting with would be: Cassandra, Dorian, SOLAS, Harding, possibly Iron Bull depending on your choices with him. Vivienne would not be in Tevinter, Sera would not be, Cole would probably not be (and 50% may not even be in Thedas), Varric is busy with Kirkwall, 

3) People will try to point out that if you kept the Inquisition it would make you too OP: but thats not true. The Inquisition has NO holdings, NO political clout, NO power in Tevinter. You're missing an arm. BAM. There's the origin story for Inquisitor in DA4: You arrive in Tevinter, meet with Dorian, and get hooked up with a new arm. PCHHOOO. You're in business, but you haven't been fighting for yourself for one, two, maybe three years! Ergo you need to get back in practice, build your muscle mass up, get your GAINS going. So you're a low level.

 

Blah blah blah anyways yes I sort of agree/disagree, I think we can both do a new protag and our old one.

[Tootles FTW]

Unless it's intended to be a multi-game protagonist from the start (a la Shepard), I'd rather just start a new game with a new character.  The only caveat I have in this instance is that my Quizzie romanced Solas, and I'd have a hard time not having direct control of her during the moment when we finally catch up with Solas.  I don't want a Quizzie-cameo that's out of my control when that happens, ya know?

[Mr_Q]

I'm fine with having a new main protagonist every game but I think BioWare is missing a huge opportunity.

I think BioWare is completely missing a huge and awesome opportunity to bring back old PC's as playable PC's should the story call for it. Basically treat them just like you had with Ciri in The Witcher. When the story calls for it, have the old PC playable for a short stretch of story to give a different POV on the overarching story. If that's with the Inquisitor or Hawke or the Warden, great.

Like, even if my Inquisitor smashing Solas' egghead against a rock in DA4, I'd want my Inquisitor somehow involved in a major way since he is the one guy with the closest emotional ties to Solas. Same way that I'd want to play as my Hero of Ferelden that romanced Morrigan if she gets up to major plot stuff in the future. Or Hawke if one of his companions became plot relevant. Doesn't have to be for any huge stretch of time but it would be far better to experience that stuff through one of your old PC's that has some emotional connection to those continuing characters than through some new PC that has no ties to continuing characters like Solas or Morrigan.


If BioWare did a clean break, Elder Scrolls style, between games, I'd be totally ok with a new PC every time out. But so long as they keep bringing back old companions and old love interests without the corresponding PC those companions are most closely tied to, its going to be an ongoing issue for me.

 

Completely agree. 

[Brockololly]

Even if I liked Leliana (I like Varric, for example), it's largely dissatisfying to see the character again when they're new to my character's story. Give me some camaraderie and natural, organic friendships. That's half of what makes a series so enjoyable - you have much more time to expand on character relationships. My Herald might get along great with Varric, but it won't ever come close to the level of bromance Hawke had with him.

Totally agree.

I really like Morrigan. So I was all giddy when she showed up in Inquisition and wanted to have my Inquisitor give her a high five. Then I realized that my Inquisitor had no clue who she was and naturally all the dialogue options reflect that. That disconnect between the player's feelings and the Player Character really sucks when you're dealing with these returning old companions. Because as a player you feel like you know them and have some sense of familiarity with them yet your Player Character is forced to stand by interacting with them on a really impersonal level, because they're just meeting them.

I want more returning characters reuniting with the respective PC from their old game, so you can have awesome reunions like Shepard meeting back up with Garrus in ME2.

[Heimdall]

I'd honestly like a choice next game, as difficult as that sounds. Like Awakening, you could choose between your old Warden and a new one if your previous Warden ate it.

 

That's entirely untenable, especially when you take the writing into account.  They'd essentially have to write two games' worth of protagonist dialogue to reflect both the Inquisitor's fame and relation with Dorian and the unknown newcomer.  That's not even getting into voice acting.  Awakening had a silent protagonist and a situation crafted to make them as interchangeable as possible.  There's a reason the Orlesian Warden had a fixed worldstate, partly to reduce the extra word count and overall work they would have needed to reflect all those choices for an unrelated character.  They do have a word budget.

[Heimdall]

Totally agree.

I really like Morrigan. So I was all giddy when she showed up in Inquisition and wanted to have my Inquisitor give her a high five. Then I realized that my Inquisitor had no clue who she was and naturally all the dialogue options reflect that. That disconnect between the player's feelings and the Player Character really sucks when you're dealing with these returning old companions. Because as a player you feel like you know them and have some sense of familiarity with them yet your Player Character is forced to stand by interacting with them on a really impersonal level, because they're just meeting them.

I want more returning characters reuniting with the respective PC from their old game, so you can have awesome reunions like Shepard meeting back up with Garrus in ME2.

I have a better idea.  No more returning characters, or atleast reduced.

 

Then you wouldn't have anything to complain about.

[Homeboundcrib]

I think they should bring back the inquisitor the connection that they share with Solas is to big not to include them, and if you romanced Solas the connection is even bigger it's there story I don't think dropping some random into it would feel right. Hopefully they don't side line the Inquisitior like the HoF and just have letters sent, who wants that lol. If you can't play as them which is probbs going to happen then they must play a major role and be seen all the time at least then otherwise I don't think it will work. And when the time comes to face Solas the Inquisitior should take over and he or she deals with him not the new hero.

[Smudjygirl]

I think they should bring back the inquisitor the connection that they share with Solas is to big not to include them, and if you romanced Solas the connection is even bigger it's there story I don't think dropping some random into it would feel right. Hopefully they don't side line the Inquisitior like the HoF and just have letters sent, who wants that lol. If you can't play as them which is probbs going to happen then they must play a major role and be seen all the time at least then otherwise I don't think it will work. And when the time comes to face Solas the Inquisitior should take over and he or she deals with him not the new hero.

 

I kind of feel it's  like having the HoF's last fight be Logain, and having Hawke kill the archdemon (as a somewhat drastic comparison)

[Ariella]

And when the time comes to face Solas the Inquisitior should take over and he or she deals with him not the new hero.

The Inquisitor is the worst choice to go up against Solas now, because as others have stated Solas knows him/her. That's a priceless advantage, and the IQ still doesn't know as much about him.

Also, the new PC isn't going to be going up against Solas immediately. Depending on the story, I wouldn't expect him to show until midpoint of the game at least.

The Inquisitor's story is done, just as the HoF's and Hawke's. Someone new will take the stage, and Bioware will tie it in.

[Nixou]

I will never understand why people want the HoF back so badly. Their story was finished regardless of what happened at the end, and any loose ends were tied up.

 

 

Two reasons why people want their HoF back

1. S/he's a straightforward power fantasy, and lot of people like these type of characters.
2. The writers brought the focus of the story back to Ferelden, made the Grey Wardens antagonists in Inquisition, and in order to keep the HoF off screen, created a new and as of now unresolved plot thread involving him/her.

 

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I think BioWare is completely missing a huge and awesome opportunity to bring back old PC's as playable PC's should the story call for it. Basically treat them just like you had with Ciri in The Witcher. When the story calls for it, have the old PC playable for a short stretch of story to give a different POV on the overarching story.

 

 

Given the reception of Hawke in Inquisition, I'd say that yes, should Bioware bring back previous protagonists in future installments, they'll have to make them guest-star PCs with a handful of player-controlled branching dialog of their own. Which may pose a bit of a logistical problem when two player-controlled characters start talking to each others...

Although there's some potential here: let's say that the next game allows a confrontation between an Inquisitor who still believes s/he can redeem Solas and a new protagonist who's hellbent on taking his head.

 

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This thread is about the FACT that new protagonists dont work with current system.

 

 

Introducing a new protagonist per game works well: it's dealing with the previous ones which has not yet been worked out. 

[JasonPogo]

I for one want a new protagonist every game.  It just allows for more story telling options.  I love my romances and making new friends.  The Warden, Hawke, and The Inquisitor all already have lovers and friends.

[Homeboundcrib]

The Inquisitor is the worst choice to go up against Solas now, because as others have stated Solas knows him/her. That's a priceless advantage, and the IQ still doesn't know as much about him.

Also, the new PC isn't going to be going up against Solas immediately. Depending on the story, I wouldn't expect him to show until midpoint of the game at least.

The Inquisitor's story is done, just as the HoF's and Hawke's. Someone new will take the stage, and Bioware will tie it in.

[Homeboundcrib]

I didn't mean for the Inquisitior to go head on with him, I know he knows everything about them and there people, I meant when it comes to face him they should be the ones to talk to him seeing as you can choose if you want to redeem him or kill him it makes more sense to me if it played like that. they have some knowledge about him not heaps like he has but some, and if you romanced him that would have more influence because he does love the inqusitor. Even if they only show up for that part and then you can go back to playing as the new hero.

[Absafraginlootly]

I like having  a new protagonist every game, I don't like repeating protagonists, and I'm fine never seeing previous protagonists again and just headcanoning the rest of their lives.

 

Although the inquisitor actually ends with a new mission as opposed to having completed their story so we'll probably see them again but hopefully not as a protag.

 

I didn't like hawkes cameo and I hope they don't do that again unless they're going to give us control of the prev. pro's dialogue, less likely to be OOC this way.

[Shaftell]

I'm not a fan of the idea, I've voiced my concern regarding the Solas plotline being resolved by Joe Schmoe despite this entire plotline is a personal one to the inquisitor (especially if he's romanced).

However, I have a feeling and I'm willing to wager the next DA game will begin with the death of the inquisitor...like a funeral honoring him/her with this lavish ceremony. Solas already confirmed the mark will eventually cause death and that his/her lifespan is shortened. This will allow our new protagonist to helm this new venture along with some of the same cast in the original inquisition. Crazy idea I thought out, but I feel by killing the inquisitor this will give our new hero a chance to do their own thing without being overshadowed by our inquisitor.

[Vicious]

rewind a few months and few people wanted the inquisitor back as a protagonist - funny what one good DLC will do.

 

 

The fact is you fellows are all thinking too small and within the box. What's stopping us from having multiple protagonists? Plenty of RPGs do it. 

[Vinitchz]

I'll admit, The last dlc for DAI has renewed my faith in bioware ability to tell a good story, the inquisitor arch was finished well in my opinion, as was the HoF, Hawke needed an expansion to wrap things up.

 

So it really surprised me that so many people want the old protagonists back in the next games, since that would be narrative and mechanic wise a nightmare, so your HoF was able to fight a dragon in origins but now is having trouble against a great bear because he's a lv 1 character...really?

 

I like the fact that next game (IF it happens) probably will have a new character that you'll develop, people should understand that these characters stories are done and don't wait for then to show up to solve every crisis in every corner of thedas. but I really want to understand why people want so bad that the HoF come back, I felt like his story was done after witch hunt or awakening if you don't bothered to romance morrigan, he saved the world from the darkspawn, he's a warden commander now and decided to go search for a cure for him and others, why people expected him to pop out from nowhere and starting fighting demons falling from the sky in DAI?

[Vicious]

 

I'll admit, The last dlc for DAI has renewed my faith in bioware ability to tell a good story

 

 

New lead writer probably had something to do with that.

[RazorrX]

I am hoping for the next protag to be recruited by the new shadow organization led by the IQ.  Maybe even have Dorian as our point of contact.   Oooh and Maevaris as a companion.

 

I am hoping for a city elf character next time.  Maybe an escaped slave or something.  (With fixed rigging!!!)  No real idea about elven history,etc.  just pissed at the world in general.

 

I would also like a battlemage that melee fights with their staff.  And a magehunter specialization.  Maybe a demon hunter one as well.  Something new.  

 

Ooooh, and either body sliders or say three base body types:  thin, std, strong/fit.

[TheRevanchist]

How could any fan of story telling possibly prefer a new character, who is totally emotionally divorced from this entire situation to have the Final Showdown with Solas, over the Inquisitor, who Bioware just set up perfectly. It makes no sense from a story telling perspective to do something like that. If ANYONE but the Inquisitor gets the Final Solas showdown, it will be nothing but a giant missed opportunity. It will lack the emotional gut punch the scene should have, the emotional pay-off for the characters involved and even the players pay-off will suffer.

 

Not to be overly dramatic, but not following up properly with Solas+Inquisitor would be the biggest mistake of this Franchise to date. Maybe their philosophy has changed with Patrick taking over, he has made it clear he knows the players emotional investment is important before. But the Inquisitor NEEDS, absolutely NEEDS to be at that Final Showdown, and we need to be the one who controls what comes out of their mouth in that moment. If this does not happen, then it is proof to me, that the writer's do not understand what they've created. 

[Reznore57]

Honestly it's getting to the point of ridiculous.

We have a case of story clashing with gameplay etc...

 

I didn't mind Hawke because the story of my warden was mostly done , the only thing left hanging was the OGB , and in some cases the wardens dealt with that.

The wardens wouldn't have worked with DA2.

 

Then DA2 ending , we get the whole teasing ,Hawke is important , Hawke and wardens gone poof ...there's an expansion coming "Exalted March."

It gets cancelled.

Then hawke is clumsily shove in DAI , Morrigan plots is also clumsily shove in there ...Jeez even Cass goes we wanted Hawke as Inquisitor , Hawke says "Cory is mine"...blablabla.

 

You'd think the devs would learn a lesson or two by now...but here we go away...the Inquisitor is build as the one stopping Solas.

And it annoys me SO MUCH because there's so much potential there story wise, Solas is the one who made the Inquisitor well THE inquisitor, even the qunari spell it out for you , you were the Herald of Fen Harel.

Then it's great Solas gave you power and used you for his own goal ,he outplays you , you loose your hand , what made you special , you loose the Inquisition...

With trespassers Corypheus is a footnote , it was never about the Inquisitor vs Cory.

It sets the stage for the Inquisitor to take his fate in his own hand(s) , to truly save the world in his own terms without any God pushing his agenda behind the stage.

I mean the Inquisitor is not special anymore and he needs to prove to Solas this world which isn't special anymore too is worth something.

ARghhjkshjhshuhduh, there's such a great story there and it's going to go down in the toilet because the devs are dead set on new protag.

 

I don't hate the idea of a new protag ,but it's time to let each heroes have his own story.

I mean Mass Effect , for all his story failures got it right , Shepard dealt with the Reaper Threat in 3 games then huge time jump , you get a new protag still in the same world but dealing with something completly divorced from the Reapers.

[TheRevanchist]

Honestly it's getting to the point of ridiculous.

We have a case of story clashing with gameplay etc...

 

I didn't mind Hawke because the story of my warden was mostly done , the only thing left hanging was the OGB , and in some cases the wardens dealt with that.

The wardens wouldn't have worked with DA2.

 

Then DA2 ending , we get the whole teasing ,Hawke is important , Hawke and wardens gone poof ...there's an expansion coming "Exalted March."

It gets cancelled.

Then hawke is clumsily shove in DAI , Morrigan plots is also clumsily shove in there ...Jeez even Cass goes we wanted Hawke as Inquisitor , Hawke says "Cory is mine"...blablabla.

 

You'd think the devs would learn a lesson or two by now...but here we go away...the Inquisitor is build as the one stopping Solas.

And it annoys me SO MUCH because there's so much potential there story wise, Solas is the one who made the Inquisitor well THE inquisitor, even the qunari spell it out for you , you were the Herald of Fen Harel.

Then it's great Solas gave you power and used you for his own goal ,he outplays you , you loose your hand , what made you special , you loose the Inquisition...

With trespassers Corypheus is a footnote , it was never about the Inquisitor vs Cory.

It sets the stage for the Inquisitor to take his fate in his own hand(s) , to truly save the world in his own terms without any God pushing his agenda behind the stage.

I mean the Inquisitor is not special anymore and he needs to prove to Solas this world which isn't special anymore too is worth something.

ARghhjkshjhshuhduh, there's such a great story there and it's going to go down in the toilet because the devs are dead set on new protag.

 

I don't hate the idea of a new protag ,but it's time to let each heroes have his own story.

I mean Mass Effect , for all his story failures got it right , Shepard dealt with the Reaper Threat in 3 games then huge time jump , you get a new protag still in the same world but dealing with something completly divorced from the Reapers.

 

I don't know where this concept of "If a character gets more than 1 game, the whole franchise is suddenly about them" came from, but it is getting ridiculous. This NEEDS to happen. I think I will legitimately write this whole Franchise off if they don't follow this up properly. This was the best story set up Bioware has done in YEARS. I was perfectly fine with writing the Inquisitor off before Trespasser. I would have been content to just move along to the next guy. Trespasser has changed everything, on a story telling level and an emotional level. This cannot be simply swept aside, not if you want a good narrative.    

[DuskWanderer]

People who want any protagonist back forget all of the whining people did about Hawke. Remember the "Oh noes! My Hawke likes da blood magic, now she is whining about it!"

 

Not only would it be a terrible idea, but there are people who make their PC the same each and every time. Look at all the people in their signatures who make the same female mage each and every game. That would be terribly unbalanced gameplay wise. 

[TheRevanchist]

People who want any protagonist back forget all of the whining people did about Hawke. Remember the "Oh noes! My Hawke likes da blood magic, now she is whining about it!"

 

Not only would it be a terrible idea, but there are people who make their PC the same each and every time. Look at all the people in their signatures who make the same female mage each and every game. That would be terribly unbalanced gameplay wise. 

 

People whining that their head canons aren't being followed mean little to me. I care about the quality of the story being presented, not how much bioware respects my own little fantasies.