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[midnight tea]

See, I see him as a maniac, bent on mass murder and suffering from a combined Messiah and Martyr complexes. He deserves to be relegated to "yet another typical villain" territory rather than have his delusions of grandeur indulged. 

 

Edit: Aside from my reasonings against the Inquisitor, this is one of the main reasons I don't want the Inquisitor to be the one to face off with Solas; Solas wants it, and as a result, I feel compelled to deny him.

 

If you want to talk about character himself, I invite you to the Solas thread. There are quite a few fine, reasonable people there, who may not necessarily convince you to change your mind, but provide reasons why many of them - as well as many other people outside those who frequent the thread - see him as a much more gray and complex character, neither Corypheus, nor an Archdemon could match. 

 

Anyway - what I'm most interested at is whether Bioware will continue with something of a duality of how people perceive him and let people straightforwardly kill him or indeed redeem him and how that decision will pan out (in DA4 or any other future game).... so far we have clear hints through Trespasser that Bioware intends to take that route, and I'm quite happy about it.

[Former_Fiend]

Thing is, I like the Inquisitor. I just never want to play as them again. 

 

Also, and I know I'm in the minority here, but I never found the fight with Corypheus to be anti-climatic. Was a fight with a man who assaulted heaven, beneath a hole he ripped in reality, upon the floating remains of the most holy sight in the world that he destroyed and raised up into the air, while the daughter of a goddess battles his draco-lich phylactery, that ends with me opening a dimensional rift in his body and tearing him apart from the inside out. 

 

If anything it leaned towards too epic for my tastes.

 

But as far as anti-climaxes go, if I had my way, Solas would go out like this;

 

[Former_Fiend]

If you want to talk about character himself, I invite you to the Solas thread. There are quite a few fine people there, who may not necessarily convince you to change your mind, but provide reasons why many of them - as well as many other people - see him as a much more gray and complex character, neither Corypheus, nor an Archdemon could match. 

 

Anyway - what I'm most interested at is whether Bioware will continue with something of a duality of how people perceive him and let people straightforwardly kill him or indeed redeem him and how that decision will pan out (in DA4 or any other future game).... so far we have clear hints through Trespasser that Bioware intends to take that route, and I'm quite happy about it.

 

Oh, I'm well aware of their reasonings and understand how they reached their opinions on him. I see all the same things they do. I just reached a different conclusion.

[GoldenGail3]

Man, I just made 2 comments on the last page about how liking the Inquisitor is irrelevant to the current debate. Apparently that wasn't enough.
 

The Inquisitor shouldn't be the main PC, I think he/she should be working in background (possibly helping the new PC as a mentior) which I'd approve of.

[AllThatJazz]

The Inquisitor shouldn't be the main PC, I think he/she should be working in background (possibly helping the new PC as a mentior) which I'd approve of.

There are numerous problems around having the Inquisitor appear as a NPC. Hawke was arguably easy-ish to implement as a NPC because of the dominant tone - but even then, devs missed the mark a bit in several ways. Inquisitor is a much more blank slate - representing the various ways people have rp'd him/her but as an NPC will be an absolute minefield, with developers frankly far more likely to get it wrong than right. The appearance of Revan/The Exile in TOR caused a right old fuss, because they were just not the way an awful lot of people played them. Hawke was better, but still out of character. 

 

That's partly why I want to see the Inquisitor return as a secondary (more minor) protagonist. That way, the player is still in control but we also get a new protag to do the bulk of the legwork. Best of both worlds in my view.

 

As a side note, I really don't get the problem with the hand. It could open up fantastic new rp/gameplay opportunities.  

[BansheeOwnage]

The Inquisitor shouldn't be the main PC, I think he/she should be working in background (possibly helping the new PC as a mentior) which I'd approve of.

The problem with that isn't the idea itself, but rather the fact that it would be extremely difficult to pull off correctly. Simply choosing one of 3 personality options like Hawke would be a travesty, and the Inquisitor's personality being chosen based on choosing to kill or redeem him would similarly do them no justice. What the Inquisitor went through, their opinion of Solas, how they plan to stop him, and how all of that will change based on DA4's plot is far too complicated for an ex-protagonist NPC.

 

They need let us control the Inquisitor. There is no other way. Of course, that still leaves the possibility of dual protagonists, which I find interesting.

[Nefla]

Maybe they'll resolve Solas' story the way they did with the mage/templar conflict by having the hero go and kill him in a field somewhere with no cutscene, dialogue, or preamble of any kind. Then it won't matter who the protagonist is. Maybe they'll kill him on twitter and never mention it in-game.

[midnight tea]

Maybe they'll resolve Solas' story the way they did with the mage/templar conflict by having the hero go and kill him in a field somewhere with no cutscene, dialogue, or preamble of any kind. Then it won't matter who the protagonist is. Maybe they'll kill him on twitter and never mention it in-game.

 

Maybe they already did....? It will turn out that it was all just part of Varric's new book - the one that Cassandra was reading during Trespasser credits!

 

[Former_Fiend]

I like to think of myself as being an open minded individual; someone who's open to new ideas, capable of changing my opinion based on compelling arguments and strong evidence. 

 

I suppose this is an exception to that. I understand the arguments in favor of the Inquisitor returning; I see where you guys are coming from and how you reached the conclusions you've come to.

 

And each argument you give just makes me more opposed to the idea than I was before. Makes the idea of the Inquisitor returning less and less appealing, more and more intolerable. And I was already at the point where the Inquisitor returning as a PC was a deal breaker for me even buying the game.

 

There are some points I disagree with categorically. With others, it's not that I think you're wrong, it's just that what bothers you doesn't bother me, or what you consider important, I don't.

 

I think it's obvious there's no middle ground here. End of the day, some of us are going to get what we want, some of us aren't.

[Absafraginlootly]

There are numerous problems around having the Inquisitor appear as a NPC. Hawke was arguably easy-ish to implement as a NPC because of the dominant tone - but even then, devs missed the mark a bit in several ways. Inquisitor is a much more blank slate - representing the various ways people have rp'd him/her but as an NPC will be an absolute minefield, with developers frankly far more likely to get it wrong than right. The appearance of Revan/The Exile in TOR caused a right old fuss, because they were just not the way an awful lot of people played them. Hawke was better, but still out of character. 

 

That's partly why I want to see the Inquisitor return as a secondary (more minor) protagonist. That way, the player is still in control but we also get a new protag to do the bulk of the legwork. Best of both worlds in my view.

 

As a side note, I really don't get the problem with the hand. It could open up fantastic new rp/gameplay opportunities.  

 

Yeah, Hawke's npc cameo didn't really work for me. If they bring ANY protagonist back in ANY future game then I want to be able to select their dialogue, I don't need to play as them, I like having new protagonists, but if they're present they should have their own conversation wheel. Because they'll never be able to make an npc consistent with everyone's PC but they can gives us a selection of dialogue options and let us make them consistent.

[Former_Fiend]

I think one of the issues with Hawke was that not only did they have to cover Hawke's role but also fit in three different people into the grey warden role for that quest. You had all of Hawke's lines recorded twice for male/female, then you had Alistair, Loghain, and Stroud each all having more or less the same lines to cover as well.

 

Having redundant voice files like that takes up space on the disk. If they cut down on that - on redundant roles that can be filled by more than one character, necessitating those roles be recorded for twice - then they could dedicate more resources towards realizing the Inquisitor as an npc.

 

Of course, that's me being optimistic. 

[Dieb]

Having someone else prove him wrong would go further to show that the people of modern Thedas are worth preserving, rather than saying "they're all worthless except for this guy."

 

Not to mention the simple fact that a non-Inquisitor protagonist has a built in advantage; Solas has tunnel vision directed somewhere else. Hell, that was my interpretation of the stinger; "Solas knows us. We can't go after him. So we're going to find someone he doesn't know to take him down for us." That's what I got from that scene.

 

The Warden didn't get to deal with Morrigan and Flemeth's conclusion. Hawke didn't get to take down Corypheus or factor into the end of the Mage/Templar war. It falls perfectly within Bioware's pattern that the Inquisitor will not be directly responsible for Solas' downfall.

 

Thanks for inspiring a new way of reviewing the matter with that post.

 

I was just getting tired of installing a new hero with each installment, primarily for the influence and power they reach continuously outdoing themselves in disproportion; and frankly, I hate it when things are done out of tradition, specifically in a "because always" fashion. Then again, DA:I's way of being in your face about how everything you are or do is amazing while still pretending everything is bleak, somewhere - it didn't swing well with me and added to that effect. "What am I going to be in the next game, the bloody Maker?", along those lines.

 

One way or the other, I suppose either solution just boils down to "if it's done well"  after all.

[Eivuwan]

What's really interesting is that the polls i have seen have a 50/50 split between those who want the Inquisitor back for Solas, and those who don't. They're going to have to be really smart with how they handle the next game.

 

At the end of the day, most people debating about this are going to buy the game regardless of the decision they make.

[Former_Fiend]

Thanks for inspiring a new way of reviewing the matter with that post.

 

I was just getting tired of installing a new hero with each installment, primarily for the influence and power they reach continuously outdoing themselves in disproportion; and frankly, I hate it when things are done out of tradition, specifically in a "because always" fashion. Then again, DA:I's way of being in your face about how everything you are or do is amazing while still pretending everything is bleak, somewhere - it didn't swing well with me and added to that effect. "What am I going to be in the next game, the bloody Maker?", along those lines.

 

One way or the other, I suppose either solution just boils down to "if it's done well"  after all.

 

Well, for what it's worth, my vision of the game would in many respects be much smaller scale than Inquisition. We wouldn't be the leader of a vast organization, we wouldn't be commanding any armies. We'd be affecting major change, but in a very different way than the Inquisition did, and over a smaller area.

 

One reason I'd like to move away from the Inquisitor is part of Solas' philosphy; that organizations always become corrupted and lose sight of their original purpose. That it becomes more about keeping the organization going than fulfilling the organization's goals.

 

With that in mind, I don't think we should be part of an organization at all. We should get back to basics, with our party being nothing more than a few highly talented, highly motivated individuals.

[Arshei]

Ah yes hate on the witcher, why not mention biowares own trilogy of shepard IE Mass effect.

 

I mentioned that before... "The same protagonist every game? This is why i hate Mass effect!"

[Abyss108]

Well, for what it's worth, my vision of the game would in many respects be much smaller scale than Inquisition. We wouldn't be the leader of a vast organization, we wouldn't be commanding any armies. We'd be affecting major change, but in a very different way than the Inquisition did, and over a smaller area.

 

One reason I'd like to move away from the Inquisitor is part of Solas' philosphy; that organizations always become corrupted and lose sight of their original purpose. That it becomes more about keeping the organization going than fulfilling the organization's goals.

 

With that in mind, I don't think we should be part of an organization at all. We should get back to basics, with our party being nothing more than a few highly talented, highly motivated individuals.

 

Well Solas' philosophy also says the best option right now is to destroy the entire world, so I'm not going to listen to what he has to say on the matter! 

 

I want another large organisation again, partly because I enjoyed the gameplay it added (Skyhold, war table), and partly just to prove Solas wrong! He's such a pessimist about everything. ​ 

[Former_Fiend]

Well Solas' philosophy also says the best option right now is to destroy the entire world, so I'm not going to listen to what he has to say on the matter! 

 

I want another large organisation again, partly because I enjoyed the gameplay it added (Skyhold, war table), and partly just to prove Solas wrong! He's such a pessimist about everything. ​ 

 

Fair point on the first part.

 

As for the second... honestly, I found being part of a large organization, even at it's head, was more limiting than liberating. Chains of command, slave to PR, that sort of thing.

 

I want to be free of all the red tape. I want to be the one man, working outside the system to make a difference.

 

[Nixou]

At the end of the day, most people debating about this are going to buy the game regardless of the decision they make.

 

And then endlessly complain about it afterward

[Eivuwan]

And then endlessly complain about it afterward

 

Yeah I will probably complain if Inquisitor is just a crappy cameo.

[Nefla]

At the end of the day, most people debating about this are going to buy the game regardless of the decision they make.

Also your average casual fan won't care either way. Neither will new players.

[CardButton]

You know, now that I think about it, it really would not be that difficult to set up the Inquisitor in Tevinter.  If that really is where the next game is going to take place, we have Dorian there, who is part of an incredibly high society family which has he has admitted has slaves.  No one would really question his household acquiring a new one.

 

While the race of the Quizzy could pose a problem (especially for the Qunari players, though a Tal'Vashoth might still work) Human and Elf slaves in Tevinter are normal fare, Dwarven slaves are rare but not unheard of, Tevinter doesn't really have any dealings with the Dalish so the tattoo's shouldn't present a problem (if you still have them), Mage slaves most certainly do exist and from what I gathered it really is doubtful that many people (if any) knows what the Inquisitor actually looks like. 

 

It might actually be an interesting story element to have your once mighty Inquisitor pose as an unfortunate, one-armed wretch who (at face Tevinter value) no-one would blame in the slightest for selling themselves into slavery, or being a slave already if your an Elf. This kind of set up could actually work well with a dual Protagonist system too, potentially linking the events and characters of DA:I with DA4,

[leaguer of one]

Thing is, I like the Inquisitor. I just never want to play as them again. 

 

Also, and I know I'm in the minority here, but I never found the fight with Corypheus to be anti-climatic. Was a fight with a man who assaulted heaven, beneath a hole he ripped in reality, upon the floating remains of the most holy sight in the world that he destroyed and raised up into the air, while the daughter of a goddess battles his draco-lich phylactery, that ends with me opening a dimensional rift in his body and tearing him apart from the inside out. 

 

If anything it leaned towards too epic for my tastes.

 

 

When you put it that way the ending if DAI is the most Metal thing ever. It's an album cover for a Norwegian band.

[leaguer of one]

Well Solas' philosophy also says the best option right now is to destroy the entire world, so I'm not going to listen to what he has to say on the matter! 

 

I want another large organisation again, partly because I enjoyed the gameplay it added (Skyhold, war table), and partly just to prove Solas wrong! He's such a pessimist about everything. ​ 

Didn't Cory say he was trying to save this blighted world? And all that red lyruim under Emprise du Lion. ....Something is going on.

[In Exile]

 

Firstly, Solas is a complete rehash of the last main villain they had. He is Corypheus Mrk 2. He has the exact same motivation, the exact same plan, the exact same goal

That's the point. That's the deconstruction. It's clever. He's not a lunatic pretending to be a god trying to destroy the world in a mad bid to restore some ideal that didn't existed. He's a brilliant man who, rejecting the idea of godhood, is trying to destroy the world into re-create the world he first destroyed.  

[Nefla]

You know, now that I think about it, it really would not be that difficult to set up the Inquisitor in Tevinter.  If that really is where the next game is going to take place, we have Dorian there, who is part of an incredibly high society family which has he has admitted has slaves.  No one would really question his household acquiring a new one.

 

While the race of the Quizzy could pose a problem (especially for the Qunari players, though a Tal'Vashoth might still work) Human and Elf slaves in Tevinter are normal fare, Dwarven slaves are rare but not unheard of, Tevinter doesn't really have any dealings with the Dalish so the tattoo's shouldn't present a problem (if you still have them), Mage slaves most certainly do exist and from what I gathered it really is doubtful that many people (if any) knows what the Inquisitor actually looks like. 

 

It might actually be an interesting story element to have your once mighty Inquisitor pose as an unfortunate, one-armed wretch who (at face Tevinter value) no-one would blame in the slightest for selling themselves into slavery, or being a slave already if your an Elf. This kind of set up could actually work well with a dual Protagonist system too, potentially linking the events and characters of DA:I with DA4,

Yes, this is exactly the kind of thing I want and would be the smart thing to do. Go undercover as someone unimportant and unassuming while looking for ways to stop Solas. The missing limb would give the perfect excuse to start from square one in combat since the inquisitor would have to get used to it.