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[Nefla]

I might not. Couldn't care about them less, though, so it's worth a shot they try again.

To me it's not worth throwing away what I see as a great opportunity for a random shot that maybe this next protagonist will be different. If they fix the problems that lead to the inquisitor having such a bland and limited personality as well as the plot being so shallow and generic then they could do some amazing things with the Solas-Inquisitor dynamic. If not, then starting over with a new protagonist won't help. You'll have a new guy that's a special snowflake and the only one who can save the world from the generic evil wizard.

 

I wish we knew what kind of protagonist DA4 would have so one of us could get off the BioWare train before we're disappointed. Too bad we'll only find out maybe 3 years from now   

[ESTAQ99]

What do you mean? Like in the Intro the inquisitor kills Solas? Or the inquisitor and some new character kill Solas together? Or Solas kills the inquisitor? No matter what the scenario, if DA4 is about stopping Solas I wouldn't want a different protagonist (not even a dual protagonist situation) and I wouldn't want the inquisitor to become an NPC.

 

 

There is not "most of us" here. That is either in your head or is just a cheap excuse to make your argument stronger. I don't see too many people on this thread agreeing with the 3 or 4 (OK, maybe 5), of you who keep saying the inquisitor should be brought back as a protagonist. What I see is the same few people posting and replying to almost every post that disagree to that idea. A good writer could develope thousand better new villains than solas and thousands more fleshed out protagonists than the inquisitor and don't have to force the players to go through an entire game with a protagonist that was widely criticised for being boring, bland and uninteresting (hundreds of times on these forum). One who is now missing an arm. Playing with a crippled protagonist who require a prosthetic to go to battle or needs to cover during romantic scenes would be so immersion breaking for many players. 

[bluuberg]

In many ways, I see DA4 set up in a rather similar manner to ME2. 

You (the main character) would be recruited as part of the Lucerni, with the Inquisitor being the Illusive Man stand in, and Dorian and Maevaris acting as his Miranda/Jacob combo. You would have a role much like the Inquisitor did, as field commander, with Dorian and Maevaris being much like the advisors of DA:I, but with only Maevaris joining you as a companion in the field. You'd have talks with both of them and time to time the Inquisitor as well via Dorian's crystal.

You'd be tasked with recruiting the right kind of people to go up against Solas and his people, or whatever it is we'll be doing in Tevinter along with all that. With perhaps Harding joining the group as our Tali and Dagna as our Mordin, who would work along with Dorian and Maevaris as the 3rd advisor, with a much more expanded role. I'd love for Krem to be able to join us too, as our Garrus/ one of the warriors, and then from there fill out the ranks with new characters.

[Former_Fiend]

To me it's not worth throwing away what I see as a great opportunity for a random shot that maybe this next protagonist will be different. If they fix the problems that lead to the inquisitor having such a bland and limited personality as well as the plot being so shallow and generic then they could do some amazing things with the Solas-Inquisitor dynamic. If not, then starting over with a new protagonist won't help. You'll have a new guy that's a special snowflake and the only one who can save the world from the generic evil wizard.

 

I wish we knew what kind of protagonist DA4 would have so one of us could get off the BioWare train before we're disappointed. Too bad we'll only find out maybe 3 years from now 

 

They could fix everything wrong with the Inquisitor and I still won't care because it's the Inquisitor.

[Nefla]

There is not "most of us" here. That is either in your head or is just a cheap excuse to make your argument stronger. I don't see too many people on this thread agreeing with the 3 or 4 (OK, maybe 5), of you who keep saying the inquisitor should be brought back as a protagonist. What I see is the same few people posting and replying to almost every post that disagree to that idea. A good writer could develope thousand better new villains than solas and thousands more fleshed out protagonists than the inquisitor and don't have to force the players to go through an entire game with a protagonist that was widely criticised for being boring, bland and uninteresting (hundreds of times on these forum). One who is now missing an arm. Playing with a crippled protagonist who require a prosthetic to go to battle or needs to cover during romantic scenes would be so immersion breaking for many players. 

I didn't say most people want the inquisitor back, I said most people didn't purposefully ignore their companions and never talk to them, and the ones who did are not the kind that care about the story or characters so any protagonist will do. This thread seems evenly split between those who do and don't want the inquisitor back for various reasons. I find the idea of playing a character with a physical obstacle to overcome to be intriguing, it's one of the reasons I'd want the inquisitor back.

 

They could fix everything wrong with the Inquisitor and I still won't care because it's the Inquisitor.

Ok then.
 

I wish we knew either way. I'm already done with Mass Effect and I would have been done with Dragon Age too if Trespasser hadn't sparked my imagination. I would like to know if that's unfounded or not. If the next protagonist is some random person then I want off the train.

[Phoe77]

For me, the potential to create and play a new and exciting protagonist is enough to make me want a new character.  I quite like my Inquisitor and I wouldn't be upset if he did return as a protagonist in DA4 (though I doubt that he will).  Despite the obstacles that would have to be overcome to do it as well as possible, I'd rather see the Inquisitor return in some sort of adviser or mentor role for a new protagonist than have him come back as the protagonist himself.

[Former_Fiend]

 

Ok then.
 

I wish we knew either way. I'm already done with Mass Effect and I would have been done with Dragon Age too if Trespasser hadn't sparked my imagination. I would like to know if that's unfounded or not. If the next protagonist is some random person then I want off the train.

 

I will say that Trespasser definitely lit a fire under me as well - despite the fact that I haven't played it(PS3 owner). I was on board for another dragon age game, but wasn't hyped enough to be in the DA forums talking about it on here until I saw Trespasser. 

 

But at no point in watching the Trespasser playthroughs did I think that the Inquisitor was going to be the PC for the next game, nor did I think they should be. I can think of any number of ways that they can get me interested and invested in a new protagonist for DA4, but I can't think of a single thing they can do with the Inquisitor in the role that would make the experience enjoyable.

 

And I didn't hate the Inquisitor. I was supremely disappointed by the Inquisitor and by no stretch of the imagination did I get the chance to play the Inquisitor I wanted to play - see the quote in my signature for how I wanted to play it. But I didn't hate them. 

 

I just want to move on and get to create a new character again and experience a new story through new eyes. 

[actionhero112]

I don't know if there is dev Comformation, but I think they were drop early in development, throughout the game you get hints that they were, also there was a push for race section.

That's not really proof is it.

 

I'm sorry, nothing against you, but I'm not really taking your hunch as what the developers intended. 

[Homeboundcrib]

That's not really proof is it.

I'm sorry, nothing against you, but I'm not really taking your hunch as what the developers intended.

Fair enough but that's not only my hunch and there are a lot of In game things that suggest it and no harm done I get.

[Iakus]

I don't know if there is dev Comformation, but I think they were drop early in development, throughout the game you get hints that they were, also there was a push for race section.

THe closest I have heard of this was that THere was a cancelled expansion to DA2 called Exalted March.  ANd that some elements of it ended up being incorporated into DAI.

 

Myself, I think that it was going to the the exalted march on Kirkwall that Hawke mentions, and the reason why he/she disappeared from the city "It turns out I needn't have bothered"

[Nefla]

I will say that Trespasser definitely lit a fire under me as well - despite the fact that I haven't played it(PS3 owner). I was on board for another dragon age game, but wasn't hyped enough to be in the DA forums talking about it on here until I saw Trespasser. 

 

But at no point in watching the Trespasser playthroughs did I think that the Inquisitor was going to be the PC for the next game, nor did I think they should be. I can think of any number of ways that they can get me interested and invested in a new protagonist for DA4, but I can't think of a single thing they can do with the Inquisitor in the role that would make the experience enjoyable.

 

And I didn't hate the Inquisitor. I was supremely disappointed by the Inquisitor and by no stretch of the imagination did I get the chance to play the Inquisitor I wanted to play - see the quote in my signature for how I wanted to play it. But I didn't hate them. 

 

I just want to move on and get to create a new character again and experience a new story through new eyes. 

I was very disappointed by the inquisitor as well, but If they can't fix the inquisitor, they can't fix a new protagonist in my eyes. A new person with such limited dialogue options and so few roleplaying chances would be even worse because it wouldn't even have that spark of potential. I can't think of a single thing they could do with a new protagonist vs Solas that would make it enjoyable for me. Plus if we played the inquisitor again then the former companion that they will inevitably shoehorn into the game (most likely Dorian) will actually make sense. If the game had nothing to do with Solas then sure, a new protagonist would be fine assuming they could make that character varied and interesting this time.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

I don't have the time to read all of this but I'm almost 100% sure this is yet another "bring back the warden" thread now with some bare boned proof!
Maybe you shouldn't expect each protag to keep going? I get it we'll be going into DA:20 and people will still wan the warden back but maybe, just maybe, don't get so attached to something that isn't you that you can't bear to live your life without knowing what about 2 megabites of data at best is doing right now.

[Former_Fiend]

Well, I'm also hoping that 1) none of the companions return as companions, and 2) the Qunari/Tevinter thing is given equal importance to Solas.

 

Unless the Inquisitor is romancing Dorian, or unless Solas is behind it all, the Inquisitor has no reason to care about the Qunari/Tevinter war outside of more "this chaos benefits no one" BS. 

 

I want to play someone from the region so I have a reason to care, one way or the other, whether it be protecting Tevinter or helping to tear it down. 

 

Also I'd like to point out that the connection to Dorian isn't necessarily a solid one as he's an optional party member; you can deny his request to join the Inquisition and send him on his merry way, in which case the Inquisitor doesn't even have that connection to Tevinter to care about it.

[Former_Fiend]

I don't have the time to read all of this but I'm almost 100% sure this is yet another "bring back the warden" thread now with some bare boned proof!
Maybe you shouldn't expect each protag to keep going? I get it we'll be going into DA:20 and people will still wan the warden back but maybe, just maybe, don't get so attached to something that isn't you that you can't bear to live your life without knowing what about 2 megabites of data at best is doing right now.

 

It's a "bring back the Inquisitor because Solas" thread.

[Phoe77]

I never was huge on the idea that a person had to be from the effected region to care about what's happening in that region.  Given the strong feelings that most of Thedas seems to have regarding both Tevinter and the Qunari, I don't find it hard to believe that most random people would be interested in the outcome one way or another.  

[NoForgiveness]

Yo Obi Wan/Yoda didn't kill Vader/Emporer bruh. We had Luke do it. Pass the torch. 

 

 

Actually Obi Wan did kill Vader... Or thought he did. Chopped him up and literally left him to burn.... 

[Former_Fiend]

I never was huge on the idea that a person had to be from the effected region to care about what's happening in that region.  Given the strong feelings that most of Thedas seems to have regarding both Tevinter and the Qunari, I don't find it hard to believe that most random people would be interested in the outcome one way or another.  

 

They can have an opinion on it, but that isn't the same level of investment as someone who actually has to live with it.

 

I also have issues with someone from Southern Thedas just coming in and sticking their nose in the problems of Northern Thedas which is so very different culturally. Would have some Mighty Whitey undertones for me.

[Nefla]

Well, I'm also hoping that 1) none of the companions return as companions, and 2) the Qunari/Tevinter thing is given equal importance to Solas.

 

Unless the Inquisitor is romancing Dorian, or unless Solas is behind it all, the Inquisitor has no reason to care about the Qunari/Tevinter war outside of more "this chaos benefits no one" BS. 

 

I want to play someone from the region so I have a reason to care, one way or the other, whether it be protecting Tevinter or helping to tear it down. 

 

Also I'd like to point out that the connection to Dorian isn't necessarily a solid one as he's an optional party member; you can deny his request to join the Inquisition and send him on his merry way, in which case the Inquisitor doesn't even have that connection to Tevinter to care about it.

Anders was optional in Awakening and Oghren was optional in DA:O and both could die. That didn't stop BioWare.

 

I predict:

 

-the Qunari/Tevinter thing will be given as much "care" as the mage/templar war was given in DA:I.

-Dorian will be the returning companion (based on him going back to Tevinter no matter what at the end of trespasser and making sure to tell you about his fancy new faction in the Magisterium)

-The PC will not be from Tevinter (because that's a DA trend like new protagonists each game. Probably so you can be completely ignorant of the culture and it won't be weird)

-The PC will be an agent of the inquisition (as much as I want the inquisitor to return as the protagonist, I don't really expect this but I do expect a random agent since the inquisition's goals are in Tevinter)

[Nefla]

They can have an opinion on it, but that isn't the same level of investment as someone who actually has to live with it.

 

I also have issues with someone from Southern Thedas just coming in and sticking their nose in the problems of Northern Thedas which is so very different culturally. Would have some Mighty Whitey undertones for me.

Are you kidding?

[Former_Fiend]

Anders was optional in Awakening and Oghren was optional in DA:O and both could die. That didn't stop BioWare.

 

I predict:

 

-the Qunari/Tevinter thing will be given as much "care" as the mage/templar war was given in DA:I.

-Dorian will be the returning companion (based on him going back to Tevinter no matter what at the end of trespasser and making sure to tell you about his fancy new faction in the Magisterium)

-The PC will not be from Tevinter (because that's a DA trend like new protagonists each game. Probably so you can be completely ignorant of the culture and it won't be weird)

-The PC will be an agent of the inquisition (as much as I want the inquisitor to return as the protagonist, I don't really expect this but I do expect a random agent since the inquisition's goals are in Tevinter)

 

I would buy a (used) copy of that game, only to put it in my microwave and the urinate on the remains.

[Nefla]

I would buy a (used) copy of that game, only to put it in my microwave and the urinate on the remains.

I wouldn't waste my money. I do think this is how it will be though.

[Phoe77]

They can have an opinion on it, but that isn't the same level of investment as someone who actually has to live with it.

 

I also have issues with someone from Southern Thedas just coming in and sticking their nose in the problems of Northern Thedas which is so very different culturally. Would have some Mighty Whitey undertones for me.

 

Presumably the result of the conflict would have implications for the rest of Thedas.  The Qunari are the main thing that keeps Tevinter occupied (outside of Orlais I guess), and vice versa.  Both factions clearly have an interest in extending their influence throughout the rest of the continent.  There are plenty of reasons for someone from any of Thedas' regions to be interested enough to participate, even if we assume that Bioware will do nothing to "up the ante" in some way.

 

A lot of it comes down to preference I suppose.  I think that the writers would be able to make things work regardless of the identity of the next protagonist, but I also have been pleased with the protags from all of the other recent games.  I can see how other people who were less satisfied would feel differently.

[Former_Fiend]

Are you kidding?

 

Not really.

 

It's not a direct parallel to that trope, obviously. The Inquisitor can be one of four races and whatever ethnicity the player chooses, but they are, culturally, the product of Southern Thedas and the values there-of. Them going to Tevinter and imposing or injecting those values into the nation is a very different thing than someone from the region affecting change from within. 

 

 

I wouldn't waste my money. I do think this is how it will be though.

 

I'd wait for it to be in the bargain bin; I'm a patient man.

 

But seriously, everything on that list of predictions is the opposite of what they need to do. Dorian can suffice just fine as an NPC and can serve in that roll just fine even if he wasn't recruited by the Inquisitor. The Qunari/Tevinter war is so much more important to me than anything to do with Solas that I cannot adequately put it into words. The PC not being from Tevinter would be a huge mistake. And us working for the Inquisition... I think I'm going to be sick.

 

Thank you for pitching the absolute worse case scenario for DA4.

[Eivuwan]

Not really.

 

It's not a direct parallel to that trope, obviously. The Inquisitor can be one of four races and whatever ethnicity the player chooses, but they are, culturally, the product of Southern Thedas and the values there-of. Them going to Tevinter and imposing or injecting those values into the nation is a very different thing than someone from the region affecting change from within. 

 

 

 

I'd wait for it to be in the bargain bin; I'm a patient man.

 

But seriously, everything on that list of predictions is the opposite of what they need to do. Dorian can suffice just fine as an NPC and can serve in that roll just fine even if he wasn't recruited by the Inquisitor. The Qunari/Tevinter war is so much more important to me than anything to do with Solas that I cannot adequately put it into words. The PC not being from Tevinter would be a huge mistake. And us working for the Inquisition... I think I'm going to be sick.

 

Thank you for pitching the absolute worse case scenario for DA4.

 

That's not the worse scenario. Worse scenario is that Solas and Inquisitor races to absorb Evanuris souls and whoever absorbs the most souls wins.

[Former_Fiend]

I'm still mostly convinced that Solas' plotline is going to end with him failing to take down the veil but doing so in a way that releases one or more of the Evanuris, who will then take over as the big bads for the next game.