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[EICAS]

Havent got any idea about what else "a new protagonist" could really do for anything between the inquisitor and Solas, and obviously that has become the most eye-catching part of the whole story thanks to the trespassers.

 

Bioware has decided to make several big changes after the lessons of DA2 and clearly now they succeed and DAI becomes very popular just like DAO again and it'd be pretty unwise if they simply decided to give up all these not giving what people want and go back and repeat the same mistakes.

 

The choice is actually simple, being like another Mass Effect or not, in each ME sequel you met and received new companions but the protagonist remained the same, and from what have been shown and told before the war table, it seems bioware wants that to happen in DA series too

[TheRevanchist]

Havent got any idea about what else "a new protagonist" could really do for anything between the inquisitor and Solas, and obviously that has become the most eye-catching part of the whole story thanks to the trespassers.

 

Bioware has decided to make several big changes after the lessons of DA2 and clearly now they succeed and DAI becomes very popular just like DAO again and it'd be pretty unwise if they simply decided to give up all these not giving what people want and go back and repeat the same mistakes.

 

The choice is actually simple, being like another Mass Effect or not, in each ME sequel you met and received new companions but the protagonist remained the same, and from what have been shown and told before the war table, it seems bioware wants that to happen in DA series too

 

It's totally ridiculous, we can have a couple of games with the same character, then once their personal arc is done move on to the next character. We don't need each character perfectly self contained in their own game every damn time. It limits the possibilities that can be had. People keep saying "There is no mass Effect without Shepard!" According to who? Who decided that? Nobody did, only your emotional attachment decided that. By limiting this franchise to a new character every. single. game. You greatly reduce the amount of character growth and emotional closure possible. Yes, there are benefits to new characters. No one is saying make the Inquisitor the Main PC forever and ever. Just let us play as them again when Solas finally gets confronted, because god dammit that is how it should be! These fictional, arbitrary rules about characters usurping a franchise if they get multiple games is nonsense, and that mind-set needs to stop.

[DuskWanderer]

It's totally ridiculous, we can have a couple of games with the same character, then once their personal arc is done move on to the next character. We don't need each character perfectly self contained in their own game every damn time. It limits the possibilities that can be had. People keep saying "There is no mass Effect without Shepard!" According to who? Who decided that? Nobody did, only your emotional attachment decided that. By limiting this franchise to a new character every. single. game. You greatly reduce the amount of character growth and emotional closure possible. Yes, there are benefits to new characters. No one is saying make the Inquisitor the Main PC forever and ever. Just let us play as them again when Solas finally gets confronted, because god dammit that is how it should be! These fictional, arbitrary rules about characters usurping a franchise if they get multiple games is nonsense, and that mind-set needs to stop.

 

That's a terrible idea, particularly if we're in a different place. I highly doubt that the next game will rely only upon Solas and his schemes, especially if they are in a new place. Someone like the Inquisitor, who has a history, will be difficult to properly implement.

 

Further, Solas knows the Inquisitor well, and can construct a plot against him. The Inquisitor specifically is going for new blood to remove his powerful advantage.

[RazorrX]

Not sure that Solas will be the main threat in the next game.  That sounds like more of a long arc vs next one.  I think the next story will involve the Qunari invasion, Maybe some Tevinter plot, etc.  We will maybe have some hints on Solas, but not face him.  

 

I kind of hope for a more personal story like DA2 tried, but with more time and resources to do it justice.

[TheRevanchist]

That's a terrible idea, particularly if we're in a different place. I highly doubt that the next game will rely only upon Solas and his schemes, especially if they are in a new place. Someone like the Inquisitor, who has a history, will be difficult to properly implement.

 

Further, Solas knows the Inquisitor well, and can construct a plot against him. The Inquisitor specifically is going for new blood to remove his powerful advantage.

 

Did I say the NEXT game? No, I did not, I only said, when Solas is finally confronted. That might be the next game, it might be ten games from now, who the hell knows, I don't, and you don't either. Regardless, Solas knowing the Inquisitor is exactly WHY they need to be there when his fate is decided. Because there is history there, there is emotions that need to be put to bed. Something being "difficult" does not mean it shouldn't be attempted. Taking the path that is always the easiest is what leads to boring games, like COD, who never do anything different, because that would be "too difficult". The new PCs can be the fresh blood they need to outsmart Solas, that does not mean the Inquisitor can't show up once he is beaten, to deal with the emotional baggage that needs to be addressed.  

[whiteravenxi]

That's a terrible idea, particularly if we're in a different place. I highly doubt that the next game will rely only upon Solas and his schemes, especially if they are in a new place. Someone like the Inquisitor, who has a history, will be difficult to properly implement.

Further, Solas knows the Inquisitor well, and can construct a plot against him. The Inquisitor specifically is going for new blood to remove his powerful advantage.

I highly doubt the next game WON'T be about Solas. You don't create such an epic set up for an ultimate showdown that will shake the Dragon Age lore to its core and sweep it under the rug for some Qunari conflict which they've already done in DA2.

If there's a new protagonist in the next game then the writers are wasting one of the best story set ups they've created in this franchise to date. Solas used us. We were a pawn. Finally they have a villain who is fleshed out and a hero who we fully understand and own. The inquisitor's story is not over. None of this has ended. Her arc ends with Solas. If I don't get that I'll know that Bioware has no idea what they're doing with this franchise.

I don't want the Inquisitor for every game moving forward but I damn well want her as my PC for anything involving this arc with Solas.

[sunnydxmen]

this happens alot people want warden hawke inquisitor back but its over bioware has finish there stories .next game will have a new hero inquisitor might make a appearance though i hope the new hero is from tevinter.

[BansheeOwnage]

Make the Inquisitor the employer/mentor/recruiter/whatever to the next protagonist.

 

Done.

It's not that simple. They'd need a much more robust system for the Inquisitor's personality to make it worth it. I'm not saying it's impossible or that they couldn't do it, but they'd need to put a lot of effort in, otherwise I probably wouldn't want them to. And personally, even if they did, I'd still miss playing as them.

[MarcoNeves]

rewind a few months and few people wanted the inquisitor back as a protagonist - funny what one good DLC will do.
 
 
The fact is you fellows are all thinking too small and within the box. What's stopping us from having multiple protagonists? Plenty of RPGs do it.

Vicious, you are absolutely right. We should all (including Bioware) start thinking "outside the box" and find a way to innovate the Bioware RPGs. Why not do two player characters? Create a new way around it. Look at what Kojima does with Metal Gear, for example. Or do something none of us has even thought up yet. Innovate, evolve, change a bit. The same formula again and again is a safe bet, but can become stale. A new idea, on the other hand.... could be brilliant.

[EICAS]

That's a terrible idea, particularly if we're in a different place. I highly doubt that the next game will rely only upon Solas and his schemes, especially if they are in a new place. Someone like the Inquisitor, who has a history, will be difficult to properly implement.

 

Further, Solas knows the Inquisitor well, and can construct a plot against him. The Inquisitor specifically is going for new blood to remove his powerful advantage.

 

Yet a new protagonist will not know what has happened and what needs to be done next without the inquisitor, and also I doubt a new protagonist or anyone else will actually try to handle things peacefully with Solas since having no relationship with him but using brutal force to strike him down, and it will not fit into what we chose at all when we were still the inquisitor...If the foregoing is what has exactly been planned then I'd really suggest just sending the inquisitor to his or her grave to avoid making the already-very-complex story even more complicated and bringing forth unnecessary confusion

[Teddie Sage]

I think Hawke could easily be the protagonist again. If left behind in the Fade, bring them out alive. If out of it, improvise. Hawke's fate was practically given to the Inquisitor because many people complained about DA2 and how unrelatable the whole thing was to them. The Inquisitor, while they were a nice character, can't really fight anymore since they lost a limb. BioWare might as well re-use Hawke as the protagonist again and allow players to see the Inquisitor in the fourth game as a non playable character. I would, however, like to play as the Inquisitor again if they had a prosthesis arm replacing what they lost (or blood magic restored it).

[sunnydxmen]

also i dont see how the inquisitor can defeat solas who was so powerful he created the veil, in sealed the ancient elven mages .a new more powerful hero is needed time to pass the torch to the next hero.

[BansheeOwnage]

Unless it's intended to be a multi-game protagonist from the start (a la Shepard), I'd rather just start a new game with a new character.

Who says it wasn't planned? I always felt like there was a reason the Inquisitor and Inquisition were so safe in the base game, and now in Trespasser as well. Bioware has trolled, mislead, and changed their minds about things before. It's not impossible that they wanted to make an Inquisitor sequel for a while. I hope, anyway. Honestly, I think they were going to have Hawke be the Shepard of DA and have them become the Inquisitor (especially since a lot of the cut Exalted March expansion ended up in DA:I, like the Temple of Mythal). DA2 just didn't do as well as they hoped and they panicked. My point is, I think they actually wanted to have a returning protagonist before. Also, there is a new lead writer now, so anything is possible (as he keeps saying, himself).

 

The Inquisitor is the worst choice to go up against Solas now, because as others have stated Solas knows him/her. That's a priceless advantage, and the IQ still doesn't know as much about him.

The Inquisitor's story is done, just as the HoF's and Hawke's. Someone new will take the stage, and Bioware will tie it in.

1. I don't really understand why it's so important that Solas knows the Inquisitor. Quizzy still goes up against him no matter what, and wouldn't guiding the offensive against Solas be much more of a risk if he knows you than simply going into the field? If anything, it's backwards.

 

2. Why do you keep saying the Inquisitor's story is done? I don't know how to say this more simply, but did you watch the epilogue? It's clearly not done. Plus, people said the Inquisitor's story was done in the base game, then Trespasser happened. Anything could happen at this point.

[EICAS]

There're already too many heroes and companions scattered across the continent, thus maybe it's time not to add more but place more emphasis on the existing ones, not prefer really seeing something like the Hero of Tevinter shows up

Either the inquisitor or Hawke, or HoF would be fine, or just they work together with some former companions... 

[BansheeOwnage]

this happens alot people want warden hawke inquisitor back but its over bioware has finish there stories .next game will have a new hero inquisitor might make a appearance though i hope the new hero is from tevinter.

So glad you came back from the future to tell us this.

 

also i dont see how the inquisitor can defeat solas who was so powerful he created the veil, in sealed the ancient elven mages .a new more powerful hero is needed time to pass the torch to the next hero.

That's sort of a pointless thing to say. It's almost a requirement of a villain to be near-undefeatable, and for the heroes to figure out a way to stop them. Just like they did with Corypheus. There is no reason the Inquisition can't do that. And I don't find a new hero personally having the power to match Solas very likely.

[DuskWanderer]

Who says it wasn't planned? I always felt like there was a reason the Inquisitor and Inquisition were so safe in the base game, and now in Trespasser as well. Bioware has trolled, mislead, and changed their minds about things before. It's not impossible that they wanted to make an Inquisitor sequel for a while. I hope, anyway. Honestly, I think they were going to have Hawke be the Shepard of DA and have them become the Inquisitor (especially since a lot of the cut Exalted March expansion ended up in DA:I, like the Temple of Mythal). DA2 just didn't do as well as they hoped and they panicked. My point is, I think they actually wanted to have a returning protagonist before. Also, there is a new lead writer now, so anything is possible (as he keeps saying, himself).

 

1. I don't really understand why it's so important that Solas knows the Inquisitor. Quizzy still goes up against him no matter what, and wouldn't guiding the offensive against Solas be much more of a risk if he knows you than simply going into the field? If anything, it's backwards.

 

2. Why do you keep saying the Inquisitor's story is done? I don't know how to say this more simply, but did you watch the epilogue? It's clearly not done. Plus, people said the Inquisitor's story was done in the base game, then Trespasser happened. Anything could happen at this point.

 

How is it backwards? Solas knows the Inquisitor intimately. He knows what drives him, what moves him. Know thy enemy is the most important thing in warfare. Anything the Inquisitor might know about Solas can be shared with someone else. 

[mopotter]

Ah yes hate on the witcher, why not mention biowares own trilogy of shepard IE Mass effect.

They would have to pay me to play Witcher, just not interested, though I know quite a few enjoy it.  

 

ME series is a favorite and the reason I would like a new character for every game.  Many of the Shepard's I started in ME1 changed in ways I did not care for and I wasn't thrilled about losing control.  Different game styles, more cinematic cut scenes, less middle/moderate choices. Even some dialogue options I would and did picked made me cringe when I heard the results. My well balanced Shepard turned paragon by the end of ME3.

 

ME2 I missed the survivor and Liara while in ME3 while I liked the new group and enjoyed having the survivor back,  I missed the ME2 group and the guest spots didn't really cut it in either game.  

 

I'd much rather have a new character to mold and new NPC's to meet.

[WardenWade]

It can be a bummer, but it does look like Bioware is sticking to one PC per game.

 

It will be interesting to see how future games work with the Solas storyline and how future protagonists address it.  I like to think at this point that Warden, Hawke and Inquisitor fans probably all have some understanding of one another's desire to see their favorite characters   We're all kind of in the same boat now, more or less.

[leaguer of one]

I have only one suggestion.......

[Tielis]

Honestly, I think they are setting up DA 3.5 instead of 4, almost like the Awakening expansion, but obviously not an expansion.

 

Dunno, that's just what my gut is telling me.  Since they know what they are doing with the Frostbite engine now, they may be able to turn this thing out pretty fast.

 

<-- I just want this dude to come back as a companion/LI and I'm hoping that's why we got a chance to break up with Solas finally.  

[Ariella]

 

1. I don't really understand why it's so important that Solas knows the Inquisitor. Quizzy still goes up against him no matter what, and wouldn't guiding the offensive against Solas be much more of a risk if he knows you than simply going into the field? If anything, it's backwards.
 
2. Why do you keep saying the Inquisitor's story is done? I don't know how to say this more simply, but did you watch the epilogue? It's clearly not done. Plus, people said the Inquisitor's story was done in the base game, then Trespasser happened. Anything could happen at this point.

Because knowing one's opponent mean you can anticipate what they might do in any given situation. Solas knows how the Inquisitor thinks, and unless you're going to seriously meta game it means he can check you easily.

Well, because the IQ says straight out he or she is done. And the fact you can disband the Inquision among other things. The IQ's task was to seal thr Breach and stop Corypheus.

Exalted Marches probably wasn't going to set up Hawke as IQ. Or at least as IQ to deal with the mage templar war. It's in the name, in point of fact. Justinia was considering sending an Exalted March to Kirkwall. We have no real proof that Hawke would have become the Shepard of the series.

And just because they have a new lead writer doesn't mean they're going to move away from the basic concept for the series.

[Qun00]

OR

2.) Include them into the game (Which would happen in other games but this is RPG) and have 95% chance to screw up by making them act out of character (Hawke style; blood magic hater who romanced/befriended blood mage and supported her blood magic use(LOL!)) which will make people pissed off or in lucky cases indifferent.

Err... more like 20%.

Not everyone romanced Merril or enabled her stupidity.

[JasonPogo]

Just remember everyone.  In like three or four years we will all be back here complaining about how the DA4 hero should be the next main character in DA5!  I mean why would they change it?  The DA4 main character was SOOO good and his story is not DONE!!!!  you can all quote me on that.  You all know it will be relevant in a few years.

[Rocknife]

I can understand both those who want a new protagonist and those who doesn't want the world filled with super-heroes. New protagonist might be appealing to the majority of players who are new to the series while bringing back the existing protagonists would be appealing to majority of players who played the previous games and knows the story. I've seen, on the internet, people joke about how DA franchise has almost as many superheroes as there are in Marvel universe and others complained that every story is the same: start from zero, rise to hero. While the criticism is a bit harsh, I can partly aggree on some, to be honest.

 

I think there's a way to give the players freedom of playing as a new PC or an old one and doing so while not ignoring the criteria that the new Protagonist's gotta be someone Solas didn't meet in DAI. This criteria rules out Hawke and Inquisitor but Warden was on his quest to combat the Calling. Especially since we know now he's alive and well (see Trespasser Epilogue). That'd work exceptionally well because in World States where Hero of Ferelden lives, PC creation options gets restricted to a certain race and gender according to their World State while new players could create their PC Warden Commander without restrictions. That'd actually be quite logical too, considering how the Hero of Ferelden was the Divine Justinia's first choice for leading the Inquisition. Besides, there are only two scenes in whole DAI + DAI: Trespasser that we see Solas frightened: First, when he speaks of Hero of Ferelden if the Dark Ritual was made (he says that the Hero of Ferelden should have destroyed the Archdemon's soul) the second is when he learns the Orlesian Grey Wardens risked tainting the Old Gods and raising them as Archdemons for their plan to go to Ancient Prison and kill the Old Gods before the false Calling kills them all (He says " They are like a maiden chasing a butterfly off a cliff but in this case they're bringing us all and the world with them"). That makes sense especially remembering that Avernus from (DAO: Warden's Keep) mentioned a tremendous hidden power in the taint and that Grey Wardens are wasting this gift by using it only to detect the darkspawn. If anyone can hope to defeat Solas, it is the Hero of Ferelden, especially if he unlocks the hidden power of the taint. Apart from all of these, Warden Commander (no matter the World State) knows about the Architect (DAO Awakening), Eleni Zinovia (DAO Witch Hunt) and Eluians (DAO Witch Hunt). Why are these important? Architect is definitely a darkspawn magister and knows what the ancient magisters did while getting to the Black City. Eleni Zinovia is the talking statue that was in the basement of Ferelden Circle of Magi. A Tevinter lord cast the same sort of spell Solas used on Flemeth to petrify her so he knows where to look in order to get information about the type of magic Solas uses. And Hero of Ferelden knows about Eluvians quite well. In Witch Hunt, they found a single Eluvian in whole Ferelden using Ariane's blood. HoF especially knows quite a lot about Eluvians if he romanced and walked trough the Eluvian with Morrigan since he lived there with his family for a time. Meaning, Solas doesn't know Hero of Ferelden but Hero of Ferelden knows about the eluvians, crossroads and the type of magic Solas uses. So, the knowledge will not come from the sky, carved on stone tablets and it all will make perfect sense. And undeniably helps the game sell more.

[BloodyTalon]

Since one of the devs once mention that the story of dragon age isn't't about the heros, but more about the world itself(could be recalling wrong), have started to see that has more the case and the latest dlc sorta proves that. It's about the people and events in a given time and place.  Not any one char in the long run, but given where the game seems to be heading and what could be stored there, could see a new char stumbling onto a dread wolf plot, and maybe even finding something that gives him power and so on, remember the imperium stole and used a lot of elven magic.