Well, as I've said several times, there are a grand total of three mandatory conversations with Solas. When you meet him in Haven, when he leads you to Skyhold, and when he leaves after defeating Corypheus.
So, it's possible that the inquisitor's entire connection with Solas as "that elf who watched me sleep, showed me his house, painted a room in my honor, then ran off when his ball broke."
Yeah, but that's only the connection with Inquisitor who either has IQ of 20 or is an actual 4-year-old and doesn't really have reasoning skills to put 2+2 together.
Like, seriously - to ignore the importance of Solas to the plot (overall or plot of DAI) and raise of Inquisitor you have to bend over backwards logic so much, that you have to insult the intelligence of players; even those who aren't very invested in the story itself.
I'm arguing that Solas is, in the main game, not the plot. He's one companion among many, and frankly he's the least interesting out of the lot at a glance.
Interacting with any of the companions is purely optional. Solas' fans make his relationship with the Inquisitor out to be a friendship or love for the ages, a solid bond, and the revelations of his betrayal something so personal and so deep that the entire next game must be devoted to it.
And it isn't. I didn't go out of my way to avoid Solas, I went full approval with him, selected every option of dialogue, and the simple fact is that I do not see this amazing relationship there that his fans do. I do not see something an entire game should be built around. I do not see how the Inquisitor being the main character where Solas is the villain is going to enhance anything. You're either going to have a bunch of scenes where the Inquisitor's asks Solas "how could you do this? Don't you remember the good old days? Did it all mean nothing?" Or "I'll kill you for what you've done!" Or you're going to find a bunch of codex entries that show Solas' behavior in DAI was either all an act or it all wasn't.
And my god if the Inquisitor says to Solas "You should have killed me when you had the chance!"...Well, i won't do anything because I won't play the game if the Inquisitor is the PC, but if I did, I would take my disk out right there and snap the damn thing in two.
You say how unimportant and optional Solas is but you don't argue that the next game shouldn't have Solas in it, in fact you keep saying you want him in DA4 and want a new protagonist to kill him. Maybe because my first game I played a (male so no romance potential) Lavellan and he and Solas were extremely antagonistic towards each other with Solas being so condescending and claiming he alone knew what was best for their people, the inquisitor saying Solas was out of touch with reality, only cared about the fade, and had abandoned the elves. When I found out that Solas had been manipulating the inquisitor the whole time, playing him for a fool, that everything was his fault, all those people died because of him and then finally costs the inquisitor his arm, I saw red. I want personal vengeance for the inquisitor, not some random nobody who kills him because he's the big bad. Is "I'll stop your evil plan!" or "who are you and why are you doing this?!" or "I'll never join you!" from the new guy so much more creative and interesting than the dialogue options you fear you'll have to select if we play the inquisitor again?
What I would like to see is none "Olive Oyl " stick model females as heroines. They need muscle and some meat to lift all those oversized swords, daggers, shields and bows.
I'm not interested in a game where the Inquisitor's bruised ego is mended anymore than I'm interested in a game about the Inquisitor patching things up with their crazy ex.
Solas is important. I do not and never have denied that. My argument is that he isn't automatically important to the Inquisitor. It's possible to play a game where he's just there.
And I'm saying that even as someone who didn't do that, someone who's Inquisitor considered Solas to be a close friend and does feel betrayed by Solas's plan, I don't see that as a plot I care to play through.
I'm not interested in a game where the Inquisitor's bruised ego is mended anymore than I'm interested in a game about the Inquisitor patching things up with their crazy ex.
Solas is important. I do not and never have denied that. My argument is that he isn't automatically important to the Inquisitor. It's possible to play a game where he's just there.
And I'm saying that even as someone who didn't do that, someone who's Inquisitor considered Solas to be a close friend and does feel betrayed by Solas's plan, I don't see that as a plot I care to play through.
Although the fanbase seems to be split in half about who they want for DA4, I suspect that those who want the Inquisitor feel more strongly about it then those who want a new protagonist.
Well, as I've said several times, there are a grand total of three mandatory conversations with Solas. When you meet him in Haven, when he leads you to Skyhold, and when he leaves after defeating Corypheus.
So, it's possible that the inquisitor's entire connection with Solas as "that elf who watched me sleep, showed me his house, painted a room in my honor, then ran off when his ball broke."
ImsorryImsorryImsorryImsorry. There are times when my sense of humor is on par with a 12 year-old.
Anyways, as others have pointed out, the whole Tevinter/Qunari conflict, and, by extension, Thedas/Qunari worldview conflict does not seem to mesh well with Solas and his situation. Yes he has very strong feelings about the Qunari - he seems repulsed by their philosophy on a very deep and personal level - and you could argue that he could come into play through the situation of Elves in the Imperium, but it just does not fit.
First off, thematically, the Tevinter/Qunari war has absolutely nothing to do with the elves, the Veil, the Enavuris or Solas. The Qunari have become a legitimate power long after he has created Veil and gone to sleep; it is something he knows next to nothing about (which does not stop him from loathing the Qun, but then again, Solas opposes everything he does not know just because it is different from the things he himself had destroyed). Him coming in would be on par with stumbling across your next door neighbor during a tropical vacation on the other side of the world - unexpected, unpleasant and raising more than a few suspicions/concerns. His motivations are so far outside the Tevinter/Qunari war it would require some truly impressive literary gymnastics to make his involvement believable.
Secondly, and this goes back to my previous argument, the fact that the Tevinter/Qunari war and the Solas Plot are separate, unrelated threads, is further supported by the ending of the Trespasser - the Qunari became interested in the Breach/Solas/Corypheus situation, decided to deal with it by means of Blowing People Up With Dragons, when that worked out the way it did, they re-allocated their resources and shifted their attention to Tevinter.
I dont know, I just cannot help seeing these two as completely separate threads that do not mesh very well.
And although I was informed that, according so some remarks on part of the writers, the Solas Plot could possibly be resolved in the next game, I have this gut feeling that this may not be the case in fact, the respective stories not meshing very well being just a piece of that puzzle. I will try to make this short, I promise.
(i) changing a mind is not as easy - regardless whether your Inquisitor declared for killing Solas or changing his mind, the moves on the chessboard required to resolve this situation in a way that would do it justice are far too complex to be relegated to a side note, and if we are going to Tevinter, the events currently happening there would ensure that the Solas Plot is not center stage, which it needs to be for its ultimate resolution, but does not need to be for its mere progression. I said it before - I honestly see this next game as the one where both Solas and the Inquisitor go to ground, catch their breath, and simply watch and manipulate from the shadows (Scout Harding as a companion is likely, and would be perfect for that). And both would definitely watch the new protagonist, who will certainly come into significant power, with great interest. The actions of the new protagonist could then possibly nudge Solas towards "aw, these silly fleeting creatures are people too!" which would help if you went with the "I will love and tolerate the eff out of you" option, or "nope, all of you are ants; prepare to face my giant magnifying glass!" if you went with the "I will murderize the eff out of you" option. Also, as others have noted, I like the idea of Solas changing his mind slowly, by witnessing the actions of several people, thus making the Inquisitor not the only person who game him a pause. As they say in forensic psychology - once is a random occurrence, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern". Even he would have to stop and think about that.
(ii) too many things going at once - as I said before, the Tevinter/Qunari plot is mostly divorced from the Solas plot. Now imagine, if we got this game, and we would have to deal with (1) the Tevinter/Qunari war, (2) the infighting of the magisterium (the Dorian/Maevaris Plot), (3) possibly infighting in the Qun (Vidassala shows they are not exactly united) (4) rising to power, (5) clash of Tevinter/Qunari ideologies, (6) the morality of blood magic, (7) the Black Divine/Chantry conflict, (8) their clash of ideologies, (9) the morality and benefits/drawbacks of mage rule, (10) the slave trade and the morality thereof, (11) wtf is the Qun, no, really, what is it (12) the companions and their personal drama, (13) the dwarven angle - how is Kal Sharok different from Orzammar and what is going on there, (14) possibly even Tevinter templars - do they have any use. Can you imagine, on top of all that having to deal with Solas and his whole thing, on the same level and with the same amount of focus as the foregoing? Because that is what a due resolution of that whole conflict would require; in order to wrap things up with Solas, you have to make him center stage. It may be just my limited understanding, but that would require such delicate weaving of plot threads it would be downright artisan. I mean, sure, anything could be pulled off given enough care and patience, but that to me seems like it would be too many themes, too many threads, and the game would be ultimately unfocused.
(iii) nothing is set in stone - at this point, we are all fairly certain that the next game is happening, but nothing has been confirmed and nothing has been set in stone. I doubt that even the devs know exactly where they want to go with this thing (yes, I know it was said they have 5 games planned), but even if they did - in this industry, things change all the time.
But it is just baseless speculation at this point, I mean, the Trespasser just came out. Best I can do is shout my (stupid) thoughts at the entire planet by means of the internet, and wait and see.
I'm arguing that Solas is, in the main game, not the plot. He's one companion among many, and frankly he's the least interesting out of the lot at a glance.
Interacting with any of the companions is purely optional. Solas' fans make his relationship with the Inquisitor out to be a friendship or love for the ages, a solid bond, and the revelations of his betrayal something so personal and so deep that the entire next game must be devoted to it.
And it isn't. I didn't go out of my way to avoid Solas, I went full approval with him, selected every option of dialogue, and the simple fact is that I do not see this amazing relationship there that his fans do. I do not see something an entire game should be built around. I do not see how the Inquisitor being the main character where Solas is the villain is going to enhance anything. You're either going to have a bunch of scenes where the Inquisitor's asks Solas "how could you do this? Don't you remember the good old days? Did it all mean nothing?" Or "I'll kill you for what you've done!" Or you're going to find a bunch of codex entries that show Solas' behavior in DAI was either all an act or it all wasn't.
And my god if the Inquisitor says to Solas "You should have killed me when you had the chance!"...Well, i won't do anything because I won't play the game if the Inquisitor is the PC, but if I did, I would take my disk out right there and snap the damn thing in two.
If you don't care that a character manipulated you for a year, that they lied to you, that they hid information from you about an ancient magic that was killing you, that they knew all about the villain you were trying to defeat and said nothing, that they were responsible for said villain in the first place, that they disintegrated your hand, that they didn't warn you about various things they had more information than you about, that they acted like they knew nothing and deceived you to your face, then I don't think anything will make you care. And all of that happens for an Inquisitor who ignores him for the entire game.
I also wouldn't like it if the game forced me to choose between terrible dialogue options. No one has said Bioware should write terrible dialogue like what you suggested.
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Although the fanbase seems to be split in half about who they want for DA4, I suspect that those who want the Inquisitor feel more strongly about it then those who want a new protagonist.
Eh, depends. A lot seem to feel strongly about wanting a new protagonist and many seem open to the idea of a dual protagonist situation where the Inquisitor is secondary.
Eh, depends. A lot seem to feel strongly about wanting a new protagonist and many seem open to the idea of a dual protagonist situation where the Inquisitor is secondary.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm kind of lumping those who want a new protagonist with inquisitor as cameo into one group. The other group contains those who want Inquisitor as main protagonist and those who want dual protagonist.
I guess part of the issue for me is that I simply don't feel Solas ever manipulated my character. He may well have tried to, but the fact is my character never acted on his advice. Everything my Inquisitor did, he would have done if Solas had slipped and busted his head open on a rock and died after fixing it so that the Anchor didn't kill him right away.
Well, except finding Skyhold, I suppose. But there are plenty of castles in the world, and I for one never found Skyhold that impressive.
ImsorryImsorryImsorryImsorry. There are times when my sense of humor is on par with a 12 year-old.
Anyways, as others have pointed out, the whole Tevinter/Qunari conflict, and, by extension, Thedas/Qunari worldview conflict does not seem to mesh well with Solas and his situation. Yes he has very strong feelings about the Qunari - he seems repulsed by their philosophy on a very deep and personal level - and you could argue that he could come into play through the situation of Elves in the Imperium, but it just does not fit.
First off, thematically, the Tevinter/Qunari war has absolutely nothing to do with the elves, the Veil, the Enavuris or Solas. The Qunari have become a legitimate power long after he has created Veil and gone to sleep; it is something he knows next to nothing about (which does not stop him from loathing the Qun, but then again, Solas opposes everything he does not know just because it is different from the things he himself had destroyed). Him coming in would be on par with stumbling across your next door neighbor during a tropical vacation on the other side of the world - unexpected, unpleasant and raising more than a few suspicions/concerns. His motivations are so far outside the Tevinter/Qunari war it would require some truly impressive literary gymnastics to make his involvement believable.
Secondly, and this goes back to my previous argument, the fact that the Tevinter/Qunari war and the Solas Plot are separate, unrelated threads, is further supported by the ending of the Trespasser - the Qunari became interested in the Breach/Solas/Corypheus situation, decided to deal with it by means of Blowing People Up With Dragons, when that worked out the way it did, they re-allocated their resources and shifted their attention to Tevinter.
I dont know, I just cannot help seeing these two as completely separate threads that do not mesh very well.
It has nothing to do with the elves but not only could it interfere with his plans the qun not only knows about him but are also actively trying to stop him. You think the qun is suddenly going to stop trying to hunt him down after trespasser?
But it is just baseless speculation at this point, I mean, the Trespasser just came out. Best I can do is shout my (stupid) thoughts at the entire planet by means of the internet, and wait and see.
I agree with you except I think they will resolve the Solas arc in the next game with maybe a slave uprising. I think the qunari tevinter stuff should be in DA5. Pushing off the Solas arc until DA6 is just goddamnit frustrating and it also breaks the momentum of the story.
If the inquisitor isn't the protagonist of the next game, then Trespasser was sure a kick in the ovaries. Why tease us with something like that, why set it up to make us want more with the inquisitor and then relegate them to a desk jockey NPC advisor with some new random person doing everything? They should have left DA:I as it was and then made a new game with a new protagonist. It's dirty and rotten.
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It has nothing to do with the elves but not only could it interfere with his plans the qun not only knows about him but are also actively trying to stop him. You think the qun is suddenly going to stop trying to hunt him down after trespasser?
So if the Qun is involved it probably wouldn't be a war with Tevinter, but more of a manhunt.
I'm arguing that Solas is, in the main game, not the plot. He's one companion among many, and frankly he's the least interesting out of the lot at a glance.
Interacting with any of the companions is purely optional. Solas' fans make his relationship with the Inquisitor out to be a friendship or love for the ages, a solid bond, and the revelations of his betrayal something so personal and so deep that the entire next game must be devoted to it.
And it isn't. I didn't go out of my way to avoid Solas, I went full approval with him, selected every option of dialogue, and the simple fact is that I do not see this amazing relationship there that his fans do. I do not see something an entire game should be built around. I do not see how the Inquisitor being the main character where Solas is the villain is going to enhance anything. You're either going to have a bunch of scenes where the Inquisitor's asks Solas "how could you do this? Don't you remember the good old days? Did it all mean nothing?" Or "I'll kill you for what you've done!" Or you're going to find a bunch of codex entries that show Solas' behavior in DAI was either all an act or it all wasn't.
And my god if the Inquisitor says to Solas "You should have killed me when you had the chance!"...Well, i won't do anything because I won't play the game if the Inquisitor is the PC, but if I did, I would take my disk out right there and snap the damn thing in two.
You are right that Companions are completely optional in grand scheme of the game and that Solas is not the main game (though I don't recall anyone suggesting this). But, I would remind you, with how short the main story actually is and with how much of that time is devoted to cleaning up other character's messes or simply other character's plot lines, unfortunately the majority of an "Inquisitor's" ability to interact with their world comes from their interactions with these "Optional" Companions; and not utilizing them as much as possible assuredly detracts from the Inquisitor as a character.
For those players who managed to get attached to their Inquisitor's character despite this (or perhaps because of this) they do believe that perhaps the relationship between "Optional" Solas and the Inquisitor (whatever that may be) warrants the Inquisitor some consideration as to a potential (or preferred) Protagonist for DA4. In the hopes that in a story where they are working for their own interests the Quizzy could be built upon and developed more, or even have the satisfying, complete conclusion that we really haven't had since Origins.
You primary problems with the Inquisitor seem to boil down to two factors (you may correct me if I'm mistaken), 1) That you didn't really like your Inquisitor (or at bare minimum you didn't like their relationship with Solas) enough so that you believe that the Inquisitor doesn't have enough cause to be a PC again and 2) You felt the multiple races detracted from a more cohesive story due to the extra work needed to facilitate those races and that preferably a Protagonist like Hawke with an already existing, yet loosely defined personality (A Pre-Built hero, if you were playing DnD) would make for a grander adventure. I don't necessarily disagree with you and had I not played "Trespasser" I would have probably whole heartedly agreed for the need of a new PC for DA4. But ... "Trespasser" did change this for me (and apparently for many others) in that it made it feel like the Inquisitor's story was no longer complete and that DA:I was no longer a self-contained story like its predecessors. Ironically, for me at least, with the addition of this teaser DLC it now seems like I was robbed of a proper ending for my character.
It has nothing to do with the elves but not only could it interfere with his plans the qun not only knows about him but are also actively trying to stop him. You think the qun is suddenly going to stop trying to hunt him down after trespasser?
I think they are busy with other things, I think they have finite resources and I think they would need to prioritize. The end of Trespasser shows that after chasing after Solas proved less fruitful than they hoped, they shifted their attention to elsewhere.
I can, of course, be proven wrong, this is all my subjective opinion, after all, but at this point, given what has been shown so far, I think that yes, the Qun has changed their list of priorities and will deal with the Imperium first, unless something more pressing comes around in the meantime.
Depending where the story goes, we could be given a really interesting, emotional or intellectual rollercoaster ride - what if Thedas is dying anyway, and Solas's plan actually makes sense if put in that perspective? What if saving one world means the destruction of another (there are implications that Solas keeps someone 'sleeping, masked in a mirror' and they're apparently 'hiding and hurting')?
I figured it was the Evanuris, the Forgotten Ones, or both. But who knows?
And I mean, it does not necessarily have to be between "have a new protagonist every single game" and "have the same protagonist every single game". What if there were three main people who rotated between installments? Each would have their respective field of expertise and each would have their theme to which they would be central. The Blights and the Warden-y things would be the domain of someone like the Warden, so games that are Blight-heavy would have someone like the Warden as their returning protagonist. Someone like Hawke, who is tied to the mage/templar/red lyrium portion of the lore, would be the returning protagonist in installments that feature mages/templars/red lyrium. The Inquisitor is all about demons/spirits and the Fade and Solas, so if the game is about demons/spirits and the Fade and Solas, the Inquisitor would be the returning protagonist in that installment. They would take turns, each would have their own story, which would form a section of the main over-arching story. This way, it is not just one person in charge of everything everywhere ever, but everybody does their thing, and you get to see the characters you became invested in again on top of that. I am not sure how doable that is, though. Again, just a purely subjective, silly thought.
I really like the idea of taking turns with protagonists each game, but obviously it's too late for that now. I just see no good reason why there has to be a new one each game, like clockwork. I'm fine with having new protagonists over the course of the series, but it can't be just because it's a tradition. If the story would be better suited to having a character for 2 games, why not? The Warden, Hawke, Inquisitor, Inquisitor, new person. Is that so bad? I don't see how it would "destroy the point of Dragon Age" or anything like that.
I think some of the saved decisions in the keep can be put to good use in the future considering there is stuff in their like q.) When declaring for the inquisition what was the inquisitor's stance?. B. What kind of tone did the inquisitor's judgements take? C. Class/ background /specialization. D. Some interesting choices under companions and advisors.
Off-topic, but can I just say that the Keep choice for judgements is terribly, stupidly, horribly bad? My judgements were all over the place, because the crimes being judged were all over the place! Why would I treat the mayor of Crestwood the same as Erimond? Ugh. Stupid.
So if the Qun is involved it probably wouldn't be a war with Tevinter, but more of a manhunt.
Just because the qun is hunting down Solas does not mean they are not at war with tevintor. IF the qun can invade all of thedus at once in the steel age, then they can be at war with tevinter and hunt or try to hunt down Solas.
Off-topic, but can I just say that the Keep choice for judgements is terribly, stupidly, horribly bad? My judgements were all over the place, because the crimes being judged were all over the place! Why would I treat the mayor of Crestwood the same as Erimond? Ugh. Stupid.
I know right? There's no option to make the mayor tranquil!
I think they are busy with other things, I think they have finite resources and I think they would need to prioritize. The end of Trespasser shows that after chasing after Solas proved less fruitful than they hoped, they shifted their attention to elsewhere.
I can, of course, be proven wrong, this is all my subjective opinion, after all, but at this point, given what has been shown so far, I think that yes, the Qun has changed their list of priorities and will deal with the Imperium first, unless something more pressing comes around in the meantime.
I'm did not the qun invade all of thedus at once at one point. Is it not made different departments made for different jobs, for soldier, to spy's, to assassins, to watch men, to secret police?
Sorry, but nothing say they can not be at war with Tevinter and hunt down Solas...Who is in northern Thedus.
You primary problems with the Inquisitor seem to boil down to two factors (you may correct me if I'm mistaken), 1) That you didn't really like your Inquisitor (or at bare minimum you didn't like their relationship with Solas) and 2) You felt the multiple races detracted from a more cohesive story due to the extra work needed to facilitate those races and that preferably a Protagonist like Hawke with an already existing, yet loosely defined personality (A Pre-Built hero, if you were playing DnD) would make for a grander adventure. I don't necessarily disagree with you and had I not played "Trespasser" I would have probably whole heartedly agreed for the need of a new PC for DA4. But ... "Trespasser" did change this for me (and apparently for many others) in that it made it feel like the Inquisitor's story was no longer complete and that DA:I was no longer a self-contained story like its predecessors. Ironically, for me at least, with the addition of this teaser DLC it now seems like I was robbed of a proper ending for my character.
I liked my Inquisitor well enough. They're not my favorite of the protagonists, but I don't dislike them. I am disappointed with them, and with the Inquisition as an organization as a whole. The quote in my signature(that I came up with) is how I wanted to play my Inquisitor. At their most ruthless, they can't come close to that. They have to barter power to be able to approach a bunch of terrified mages huddling in a city. They have to play the Game instead of telling Orlais "you do what I say or I leave you to the demons". They have no teeth.
As for the second part, you couldn't be further off base if you tried. I loved the multiple race selection, though I feel it could have been implemented better if they had planned it as part of the game from the beginning instead of adding it only when they were given a time extension. In fact the only other thing they could do besides making the Inquisitor the PC that would automatically result in me not purchasing the game would be to get rid of race selection in the next game.
Now, it may be because I haven't played Trespasser myself and have only watched playthroughs of it, but I just didn't have the same take-away from the ending that so many people seemed to have. I took the Inquisitor's line of "We'll find people he doesn't know" as a sign that they're going to try to recruit the character who'll be the next protagonist. I guess some people took that as "this is the excuse for a new party", but to me that would be profoundly disappointing.
Now, it may be because I haven't played Trespasser myself and have only watched playthroughs of it, but I just didn't have the same take-away from the ending that so many people seemed to have. I took the Inquisitor's line of "We'll find people he doesn't know" as a sign that they're going to try to recruit the character who'll be the next protagonist. I guess some people took that as "this is the excuse for a new party", but to me that would be profoundly disappointing.
I think it could go either way. I want it to mean "this is an excuse for a new party" rather than "this is an excuse for us to play as an inquisition agent instead of the inquisitor." Especially when he disbands the inquisition saying something along the lines of "Now if you'll excuse me I have to go save the world, again." However he can also say "my adventuring days may be done." Ugh. I just want to know T_T
(...and to pimp slap Solas with a shiny new dwarven mechanical arm, is that so much to ask?)
I liked my Inquisitor well enough. They're not my favorite of the protagonists, but I don't dislike them. I am disappointed with them, and with the Inquisition as an organization as a whole. The quote in my signature(that I came up with) is how I wanted to play my Inquisitor. At their most ruthless, they can't come close to that. They have to barter power to be able to approach a bunch of terrified mages huddling in a city. They have to play the Game instead of telling Orlais "you do what I say or I leave you to the demons". They have no teeth.
As for the second part, you couldn't be further off base if you tried. I loved the multiple race selection, though I feel it could have been implemented better if they had planned it as part of the game from the beginning instead of adding it only when they were given a time extension. In fact the only other thing they could do besides making the Inquisitor the PC that would automatically result in me not purchasing the game would be to get rid of race selection in the next game.
Now, it may be because I haven't played Trespasser myself and have only watched playthroughs of it, but I just didn't have the same take-away from the ending that so many people seemed to have. I took the Inquisitor's line of "We'll find people he doesn't know" as a sign that they're going to try to recruit the character who'll be the next protagonist. I guess some people took that as "this is the excuse for a new party", but to me that would be profoundly disappointing.
Fair enough, thanks for the corrections! And yeah I definitely agree (regardless of who the Protagonist is) outside of Solas as a Antagonist, Dorian (cuz he lives in Tevinter) and maybe Sten (cuz apparently he's an Arishok now or something) I don't want to see any returning companions ... and none of them should actually be Party Companions.
I agree with you except I think they will resolve the Solas arc in the next game with maybe a slave uprising. I think the qunari tevinter stuff should be in DA5. Pushing off the Solas arc until DA6 is just goddamnit frustrating and it also breaks the momentum of the story.
Hmmm, but not only the elves are slaves in Tevinter; humans are too. The slavery issue is much broader than just elves. True, it would be something that could attract Solas attention, but I do not see a slave uprising as a due culmination of his story. "free the elves from slavery" has been his agenda, true, but his primary goal now is "Bring Down the Sky", so to speak. If Veil is torn down, lesser races, i.e. the people keeping elves down, die off - slavery, the relatively lesser issue, is resolved by means of resolution of the big one. But thats just me.
I really like the idea of taking turns with protagonists, but obviously it's too late for that now. I just see no good reason why there has to be a new one each game, like clockwork. I'm fine with having new protagonists over the course of the series, but it can't be just because it's a tradition. If the story would be better suited to having a character for 2 games, why not? The Warden, Hawke, Inquisitor, Inquisitor, new person. Is that so bad? I don't see how it would "destroy the point of Dragon Age" or anything like that.
Yeah, I agree. To be completely honest, I am just mind-twisting various ideas that would allow for the Inquisitor to come back as the full protagonist in another DA game, really But I agree with you; if two protagonists suit the story, why not do have them? I mean, look at how well it worked out for The Witcher 3 GTA5 (stupid joke is stupid, sorry, but there is a point there). Having disposable protagonists just because that is the way it has always been done seems...meh. I am really just a bit fatigued of investing myself in a character, only to have them taken away (and possibly killed).
I'm did not the qun invade all of thedus at once at one point. Is it not made different departments made for different jobs, for soldier, to spy's, to assassins, to watch men, to secret police?
Sorry, but nothing say they can not be at war with Tevinter and hunt down Solas...Who is in northern Thedus.
You are right; nothing does say that. But also, nothing says they can, either. It is just to me, the fact that they withdraw at the end of the Trespasser indicates their situation is such that the continued war does not allow for the hunt for Solas to continue. But this is all a matter of opinion. I see what you are trying to say and I acknowledge you may very well be right. Your argument makes sense to me. I just disagree I guess we will see when the game comes out and until then, lead circular arguments
Damn, why does all the interesting discussion start when I need to go to work? Gah.
I liked my Inquisitor well enough. They're not my favorite of the protagonists, but I don't dislike them. I am disappointed with them, and with the Inquisition as an organization as a whole. The quote in my signature(that I came up with) is how I wanted to play my Inquisitor. At their most ruthless, they can't come close to that. They have to barter power to be able to approach a bunch of terrified mages huddling in a city. They have to play the Game instead of telling Orlais "you do what I say or I leave you to the demons". They have no teeth.
As for the second part, you couldn't be further off base if you tried. I loved the multiple race selection, though I feel it could have been implemented better if they had planned it as part of the game from the beginning instead of adding it only when they were given a time extension. In fact the only other thing they could do besides making the Inquisitor the PC that would automatically result in me not purchasing the game would be to get rid of race selection in the next game.
Now, it may be because I haven't played Trespasser myself and have only watched playthroughs of it, but I just didn't have the same take-away from the ending that so many people seemed to have. I took the Inquisitor's line of "We'll find people he doesn't know" as a sign that they're going to try to recruit the character who'll be the next protagonist. I guess some people took that as "this is the excuse for a new party", but to me that would be profoundly disappointing.
1. The inquisition is far from an absolute power, even far less so from the start. it started with nothing and only gain more power because no one could not spare anything to stop them.
So yes you have to barter power and work to tell orlais to get in gear or else. Because the organization is going from nothing to something. But it's not like you can't be ruthless. The game give you plenty of chance to manipulate thing to get more power. DAi is not about being a hammer but being a scalp.
2. That would just mean they need to add Origins back.
3.You got it right, it does mean new character. These are just the people who can't let go.
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Maybe because my first game I played a (male so no romance potential) Lavellan and he and Solas were extremely antagonistic towards each other with Solas being so condescending and claiming he alone knew what was best for their people, the inquisitor saying Solas was out of touch with reality, only cared about the fade, and had abandoned the elves. When I found out that Solas had been manipulating the inquisitor the whole time, playing him for a fool, that everything was his fault, all those people died because of him and then finally costs the inquisitor his arm, I saw red. I want personal vengeance for the inquisitor, not some random nobody who kills him because he's the big bad. Is "I'll stop your evil plan!" or "who are you and why are you doing this?!" or "I'll never join you!" from the new guy so much more creative and interesting than the dialogue options you fear you'll have to select if we play the inquisitor again?
No one has said Bioware should write terrible dialogue like what you suggested.
And yeah I definitely agree (regardless of who the Protagonist is) outside of Solas as a Antagonist, Dorian (cuz he lives in Tevinter) and maybe Sten (cuz apparently he's an Arishok now or something) I don't want to see any returning companions ... and none of them should actually be Party Companions.
