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[MaxQuartiroli]

I have always supported the decision to use a new protagonist for each game. Basically, like many others have already said, because it's a choice that give writers more freedom and because I don't want to see my character of a previous game nerfed down for game mechanics reason with a loosy expedient (i.e. Lazarus project). Moreover, I liked the general idea of "it's the story of a world, not a tale of a single hero", which was really interesting.

 

Nevertheless I am beginning to understand the OP complaints and I cannot say that I don't agree with everyone who is saying that this isn't working very well now, because of how they are handling the things. If they want to tell the story of a world and the tales of different heroes they should stop to tie up every game with the previous ones. This "relay race" where every new character carry on the story by cleaning up the mess of the previous one seems to have more faults than strenghts under a narration point of view because each time they have to find a reliable way to explain why the previous heroes don't show up again, or, when they show up, is just for different reasons.

 

Now that we were going to leave the South for Tevinter I was really hoping that we were going to settle things down and move into a whole new story, without old characters returning. Sadly this isn't happening and now I am getting ready to see the whole DA:I plot settled down with a side mission in DA4, like they did with the Mages/Templars war from DA2 in DA:I. And once that our new character will be done with the mess of his predecessors he will finally concentrate on his business in order to create his own mess that will be cleaned by the following hero and so on... 

[lavellan86]

If Solas is to be saved/stopped, it should only be the Inquisitor to do it and not some newbie!. . it makes me mad just thinking of it.

[Homeboundcrib]

Agreed it's there story, it should finish with them and not a new hero.

[Wulfram]

Maybe the Inquisitor could be the protagonist in a more strategic or tactical focused game. Like something XCOM style or even King of Dragon Pass style.

[Patchwork]

I prefer Dragon Age to have a new protagonist in each game and make a clean break of it but I can't deny that someone else dealing with Solas doesn't feel right. 

 

So as a clean break is unlikely (but please BW no returning characters in MEA pleasepleaseplease) I think DA4 can have the Inquisitor represented by Harding or another Inquisition agent being a companion and still working for the Stop Solas cabal of Quizzy/Cassandra/Leliana. Then once Solas is defeated there's a cut scene like the one between him and Flemythal where we as the Inquisitor chooses what happens to him. 

 

In essence DA4 is a war table mission from the Inquisition's perspective.  

[Ariella]

If Solas is to be saved/stopped, it should only be the Inquisitor to do it and not some newbie!. . it makes me mad just thinking of it.

Why? Why does it have to be the Inquisitor? Why did the Mage-Templar war and Corypheus plots be handed to some newbie when you have Hawke?

And the warning label was printed on the box. New PC for each game. They've been saying it for a rather long time now.

[Smudjygirl]

Why? Why does it have to be the Inquisitor? Why did the Mage-Templar war and Corypheus plots be handed to some newbie when you have Hawke?

And the warning label was printed on the box. New PC for each game. They've been saying it for a rather long time now.

 

They want it for the same reason people were a little miffed Cory wasn't dealt with by Hawke. There was a little more freedom, there, though. For one, Hawke didn't know Cory lived, and the Inquisitor thought it was some random mad man with a powerful ability (or the mages or the templars). The mage templar war is similar. It's the whole point of Hawkes story, things aren't working and they're at breaking point. Then, in Inquisiton, it was a really small piece of the puzzle, which confused people since it was made out to be a much bigger problem. Hawke had more reason to want to stop the war than the Inquisitor, but since Anders wasn't around there wasn't any sort of personal vendetta.  But with Solas, he can be an important friend (or lover), in which case you would likely want to save him. On the other hand, you could hate him and see him as a traitor, so you want to kill him. The Inquisitor has more reason to care about Solas and his intentions than anyone else, because it goes further than the cliche "stop the big bad". People felt disconnected with Morrigan, Leliana, Varric and other people WE know, but the Inquisitor doesn't. While that's great for new players, those of us who know about Alistair and Lyrium and Mages and Templars don't really need long conversations about them. So it will be the same. If the Inquisitor has a minor role, such as telling you about Solas, so many people will be like "Well, I as the player, know that, but why should (insert PC name/title) give a rats behind.

 

While i'm sure we will get a new PC, i think it will weaken that one story line, which is a huge story. Or it will end up like the mage templar war. At the end of the day, we are all grasping at straws. If a new character works, fine, i'll be very disappointed, but whatever. However, if in the story, the Inquisitor returning to be the one ending Solas' story (as i feel it should be) no one can fault them for going back on the "New game, New protag" thing. My brother did say earlier "let the devs do their thing", but sometimes they try to hard to keep promises and appease one side rather than say "this is what needs to be done to make our story fluent". (that was generalised, BTW, not saying it was about any company in particular). It's a lot like the "every game should have a gender option" thing. It's fine i it works with the story, but shouldn't be done because "we promised" or "we said this one comment ages ago and people haven't let it go". They know more about where the story is headed than we do, though, so i'm sure they will make it work...somehow.

 

Ended up a bit of a rant, sorry

[TheRevanchist]

Why? Why does it have to be the Inquisitor? Why did the Mage-Templar war and Corypheus plots be handed to some newbie when you have Hawke?

And the warning label was printed on the box. New PC for each game. They've been saying it for a rather long time now.

I've already said why it has to be the inquisitor. It absolutely has to be.

 

I don't frankly care what they decided some ten or so years ago, about characters only getting 1 game, and any loose ends after that game are **** out of luck. Who cares about emotional closure for these characters, who cares if they have dangling threads hanging over your heads, who cares about whatever sequel bait we give you using said character. Any and all loose ends we may or may not acknowledge about said characters are irrelevant because "Thedas is the character" (which does not really say anything, or even really justify's why characters only get 1 whole game). All the characters do is clean up the mess the last one left, and by the time there done, there is juuuuust enough time left for THEM to make their own mess so the NEXT guy has something to clean up for the next 2/3 of the next game. It is frankly a pointless pattern of repetition with the next convenient Baddy Of The Week to harasses you. Nothing really happens, there is no overarching plot, or threat, because everything HAS to be tied up in a cute little bow just enough so the world will limp on long enough for the next character to get their shot in the revolving door of relevance.

 

Solas is clearly someone that was planned from Day 1 of Dragon Age Origins. There is evidence everywhere to support that line of thought. This is the first time this setting has actually had a bad guy that can be more than just Baddy Of The Week. But by continuing this pattern of Revolving Door heroes, they remove all emotional investment the characters have regarding the figure in question. The new characters don't have the emotional baggage that will make fighting them so worthwhile to begin with. Sure the players have it to some degree, but not as much as they would be if the character remained the same until that particular bit of baggage is stored away. Shepard is the best example of this. Replace Solas with Saren/The Reapers. would you have really been all that invested if Shepard ACTUALLY died in ME2, and got replaced by either Miranda or Jacob? Then they die or get crippled or w/e and another guy took over in ME3 to finish the fight? I highly doubt you would have been. Particular antagonists are linked to particular protagonists, due to actions over the course of the story. Simply slotting another guy in to deal with him diminishes the experience in ways I cannot express. 

 

Solas is linked, irreparably to the Inquisitor due to their interactions. He played you, utterly and completely. You were a tool, not even a person to him. A bug who destroying is a mercy he wishes to grant you, because to him your life has no value or meaning. He tricked you into cleaning up the mess of his failed plan to destroy you and everyone you ever knew. You were nothing but a pawn on his chess board, all while possibly whispering sweet nothings into your ear and telling you how important you are to him. This is betrayal of the deepest levels. things that rock a person to their very core. Your character declared, in no uncertain terms, that they are coming for him, because of what he did. What he did not just to the world, or what he plans to do to it, but what he did to you. It is Revenge, it is Closure, it is Justice, it is Love, it is Rage. It is all of these things. The whole game was not about Corypheus, he was merely a side affect of the cause. The Inquisition was formed to close the Breach, to find and stop those responsible, and restore order to the chaos, with or without anyone's approval. That duty has not been fulfilled. The culprit is still out there, and has no plans to stop. This story is not over. The Warden's story IS over. Hawke's story IS over. THIS one though....is not over. It is in fact, just beginning. Because the gloves are off, no more masks, no more deceptions. Everyone knows who the players are now. Now....now the real battle begins. 

[Homeboundcrib]

I agree this story is not over one bit, but I do think Solas does care In his own oddball way and if you romanced him you really see it there, that's what I believe.

[lavellan86]

Why? Why does it have to be the Inquisitor? Why did the Mage-Templar war and Corypheus plots be handed to some newbie when you have Hawke?And the warning label was printed on the box. New PC for each game. They've been saying it for a rather long time now.

The way Trespasser dlc ended with all the cinematics, dialogues and stuff. It feels incomplete to continue/ finish Solas story without the Inquisitor. It's impossible to separate them especially if the Inquisitor romance Solas. 2 lovers going against each other (and are still obviously inlove), knowing one might die to save /restore their world.

[EICAS]

Well I really hope they will just use the inquisitor for the next game, afterall we don't need more heroes to make a baseball or football team...

[Shienis]

I really hope I will not have a one-handed ex-archer as a main protagonist in the next game.  

[Jeniva]

I'd love to continue playing as the inquisitor. But...I don't think it will happen.

[EICAS]

I really hope I will not have a one-handed ex-archer as a main protagonist in the next game.

 

Maybe they'll make archer using two one-hand crossbows, which is pretty common in many role-playing games...

however two-handed weapons and sword & shield will be no longer available no matter what, unless they have more advanced technologies to make a robotic arm but that seems too far-fetched...

Thus the inquisitor will be very likely not the main protagonist in the next one

[Akrabra]

Well I really hope they will just use the inquisitor for the next game, afterall we don't need more heroes to make a baseball or football team...

Don't underestimate the power of Saturday morning Thedas soccer.

 

I really hope I will not have a one-handed ex-archer as a main protagonist in the next game.

They can rebuild him/her, they have the technology. 

 

I want them to use two protagonists for the next game. The Inquisitor and his or hers Agent. Start out the game with you training several agents, and we choose one of them to play as our PC. We still take control of the Inquisitor at the moments in the game that call for it. This would be everything related to Solas. Here we can have an interesting arc for the Inquisitor. Is it vengeance or redemption that drives them, do they agree with Solas (if in romance). Which also ties into the agent, are you just a tool for the Inquisitor. The agent ofc will be the one you play for 90% of the game, and will have its own personality. motivations and contacts. 

 

I so wish DA:O had a voice actor! Then they could possibly bring back The Hero of Ferelden, but people would just be dissapointed anyway, like with Hawke. My Hawke was perfect in DA:I, because it is the route i took with her when i played DA:II. It is time to let them retire, and only have small mentions, no cameos. 

[TheRevanchist]

Maybe they'll make archer using two one-hand crossbows, which is pretty common in many role-playing games...

however two-handed weapons and sword & shield will be no longer available no matter what, unless they have more advanced technologies to make a robotic arm but that seems too far-fetched...

Thus the inquisitor will be very likely not the main protagonist in the next one

 

They don't need to be the PC in the future, they just need to remain relevant. They need to take an active role in the events of the future. They need to be more than just "That one special guy down south who did stuff". They need to be, perhaps, a PC you take control of for special events, like the Joker sequence on the Normandy, or the Companions at Denerim's Gates. One of those special moments, has to be confronting Solas. Hell that can be the ONLY special moment for all I care. They can be an active cameo for the rest if they really refuse to budge on this. But they must, without questions or hesitation, be there at the Final Confrontation, and we, the player, need to have control over what is said. I cannot express any clearer why this HAS to be. I've never been more sure of anything in my life as someone who enjoys fiction or story telling. 

[Smudjygirl]

They don't need to be the PC in the future, they just need to remain relevant. They need to take an active role in the events of the future. They need to be more than just "That one special guy down south who did stuff". They need to be, perhaps, a PC you take control of for special events, like the Joker sequence on the Normandy, or the Companions at Denerim's Gates. One of those special moments, has to be confronting Solas. Hell that can be the ONLY special moment for all I care. They can be an active cameo for the rest if they really refuse to budge on this. But they must, without questions or hesitation, be there at the Final Confrontation, and we, the player, need to have control over what is said. I cannot express any clearer why this HAS to be. I've never been more sure of anything in my life as someone who enjoys fiction or story telling. 

As well as this, i just re-did trespasser. We know the Inquisitor will have something to do with it, because regardless of the status of the Inquisition, the Inquisitor is after Solas. In either option, they are at a lower stage than they were before. The only real benefit the Inquisitor has is they know people with power, and have connections in many places. But that's not so different from how Hawke and the Warden started out. Even still, it will be less satisfying to chase after Solas as an agent or Billy No one. Sadly, though, if the Inquisitor doesn't get a replacement arm, i doubt they would be more than a figure head. If he/she can't fight, he/she won't be there when Lord Previously Invisible faces him.

[GoldenGail3]

No...I don't think so, i like their current theme of new protagasits each game.

[TheRevanchist]

No...I don't think so, i like their current theme of new protagasits each game.

 

Thank you very much, for your insightful explanation as to why you hold that opinion. 

[DarkKnightHolmes]

If Solas is to be saved/stopped, it should only be the Inquisitor to do it and not some newbie!. . it makes me mad just thinking of it.

 

I can bet Solas is not going to be saved at all.

 

You think someone who's lived over a 1000 years is suddenly going to change his mind because of one person? At best, you can try to convince him in DA4/5 and he'll just give the old "It's too late for me".

[Smudjygirl]

I can bet Solas is not going to be saved at all.

 

You think someone who's lived over a 1000 years is suddenly going to change his mind because of one person? At best, you can try to convince him in DA4/5 and he'll just give the old "It's too late for me".

 

There are ways to do that and make it work. For one, i bet he isn't the worst thing that could happen to Thedas.

 

But no one is really saying the Inquisitor should "save" Solas, but rather their story should be concluded with each other., regardless of how it will end.

[vertigomez]

Nyehh, I much prefer a new protagonist in every game. It encourages you to see the setting from different perspectives, and I like each game being it's own sort of self-contained story in that way... it's connected to the larger world, but you're a new person with new views on old situations.

[Fearsome1]

This seems to be a hot topic right now. Anyway, I don't mind playing new protagonists each game. It makes perfect sense to me.

Also, playing with a new protagonist offers new roleplaying opportunities and new romance options. I liked my Trevelyan Inquisitor, but I'd like to maybe RP someone lowborn for the new game.

 

During my time with each entry in this series, I've totally immersed myself in that character, and I always miss them as we move on. Still, for the aspects of choice involving the Warden, Hawke and the Inquisitor too, it actually does make the most sense to simply have a new protagonist for each game and I really hope that Bioware never waivers from this, their stated intention. Those gamers who grasp at straws trying to suggest logic for why this is wrong-minded, have my sympathy, but not my support! 

[Smudjygirl]

During my time with each entry in this series, I've totally immersed myself in that character, and I always miss them as we move on. Still, for the aspects of choice involving the Warden, Hawke and the Inquisitor too, it actually does make the most sense to simply have a new protagonist for each game and I really hope that Bioware never waivers from this, their stated intention. Those gamers who grasp at straws trying to suggest logic for why this is wrong-minded, have my sympathy, but not my support! 

 

Well, it's not wrong or right. It just seems that some of the big events that bring in a new pc's are nonsensical. If it works, then it works, but some people have a different opinion.

[TheRevanchist]

During my time with each entry in this series, I've totally immersed myself in that character, and I always miss them as we move on. Still, for the aspects of choice involving the Warden, Hawke and the Inquisitor too, it actually does make the most sense to simply have a new protagonist for each game and I really hope that Bioware never waivers from this, their stated intention. Those gamers who grasp at straws trying to suggest logic for why this is wrong-minded, have my sympathy, but not my support! 

 

Please, if anything there is less logic to continue this cycle of Random Nobody #364793 please step forward. The only people grasping at straws are people who fail to see how important this is, for the Setting, for the Characters, and for this Franchise. This is not Final Fantasy, where every game is totally and completely segregated from each other. They are all linked, connected to a greater whole. But many people want these games to remain as segregated as possible, I assume so their precious Head Canon remains undisturbed. I am more concerned about the ACTUAL canon of this Setting, not fairy tale nonsense the fans make up themselves.