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[Andreas Amell]

Data from the Dragon Keep doesn't always have to serve every follow-up game. If Bioware designed spin-off games set back in Kirkwall or Ferelden, results from those games don't have to be taken into the main sequel after Inquisition.

 

There are other methods to bring back characters that we love. Bioware can publish novels and new animation shorts that feature our beloved characters. The ones featuring Hawke can come with both the male and female variants. The amount they produce would have to start low, depending on consumer demand.   

[KingofTime]

Lol no, a new pc returning is the best idea the devs came up with for Dragon Age. Glad to see the lead writer is on the same page.

Honestly, I also just want my Lavellan and Solas to finally be together in some way, shape, or form. Their story is so sad.

And this is what is boils down to for most of the pro returning protagonist folks, romance and pairing bile. Theres a huge chunk of players who dont care for the bald elf and his bond with the Inquisitor. Not to mention potential new players. Bringing the Inquisitor back is stupid, bioware amputated for a reason. My Inquistor, next PC please.

[Nefla]

Lol no, a new pc returning is the best idea the devs came up with for Dragon Age. Glad to see the lead writer is on the same page.

And this is what is boils down to for most of the pro returning protagonist folks, romance and pairing bile. Theres a huge chunk of players who dont care for the bald elf and his bond with the Inquisitor. Not to mention potential new players. Bringing the Inquisitor back is stupid, bioware amputated for a reason. My Inquistor, next PC please.

You have no idea what most people are thinking. Personally I want to beat him at his own game (infiltration and manipulation) and then punch his face. For me this wouldn't be satisfying with some new, unconnected Tevinter peasant.

[Eivuwan]

Lol no, a new pc returning is the best idea the devs came up with for Dragon Age. Glad to see the lead writer is on the same page.

And this is what is boils down to for most of the pro returning protagonist folks, romance and pairing bile. Theres a huge chunk of players who dont care for the bald elf and his bond with the Inquisitor. Not to mention potential new players. Bringing the Inquisitor back is stupid, bioware amputated for a reason. My Inquistor, next PC please.

 

Thanks for your over-generalization and informative response. Solasmancers are actually a small portion of the player-base. There are lots who want the Inquisitor back because they hate him. There are also those who see him as a friend and want to redeem him for that reason.

[KingofTime]

 

You have no idea what most people are thinking. Personally I want to beat him at his own game (infiltration and manipulation) and then punch his face. For me this wouldn't be satisfying with some new, unconnected Tevinter peasant.

Uhuh

Thanks for your over-generalization and informative response. Solasmancers are actually a small portion of the player-base. There are lots who want the Inquisitor back because they hate him. There are also those who see him as a friend and want to redeem him for that reason.

And their are people who dont give a diddly sh*t about the Inquisitor and Solas, you know the ones that havent played the game aka potential consumers. The Inquisitor is over, and i personally dont want to play a cripple. Time to move one

[Former_Fiend]

You're really stuck on that two handed specialization

 

It's what I do.

 

 

I wish we could have a DA4 where you solve your problems through intelligence, manipulation, strategy, persuasion, teamwork, preparation, stealth, and combat rather than combat alone. Being a one woman murder-machine as your only means to solve problems is boring anyway. I hate RPGs' over reliance on combat.

 

Ideally what I would want is for all of those to be viable options, but for none of them to be required. In one playthrough I might want to play a character who's, simply speaking, a brute. Someone who has no respect or patience for politicing and guile and who won't lower themselves to it. In another playthrough I might want to play a character who isn't an unstoppable murder machine and actually wouldn't fair particularly well in a fight, but can think and talk their way out of most situations.

 

One of my issues with the Inquisitor is that they did have to politic and strategize and couldn't just be a thug. I'd like the option to play an eloquent and refined character but I don't want to be forced into it anymore than I want to be forced into playing a mindless brute. It's one of the reasons I want to move away from being the leader of large organizations; I feel that so long as we are that, we're going to have to live up to certain expectations. We're going to have to be inspiring, for whatever that means.

 

 

 

As far as a prosthetic (or what I want which is a simple Captain Hook style attachment of a dagger or something) making losing an arm a temporary inconvenience rather than a real physical and emotional challenge...try saying that to someone in real life with a prosthetic limb.

 

You're pretty much the only one I've seen asking for the dagger attachment. Everyone else is expecting a lyrium-powered automail cybernetic arm that, if anything, would be an improvement over the flesh and bone, which is a very different thing from modern real life prosthesis. 

 

Of course it might just be that the whole thing reminds me too much of Shadowrun and other cyberpunk settings where people get their limbs lopped off willingly for cyberware replacements. The magetek version of that just strikes me as a juvenile attempt to make the character cool.

[KingofTime]

 

Unfortunately Weekes is also on record for how much he loves the whole "new protagonist every game" thing. 

 

Good on him, there's a reason hes lead writer.

[Nefla]

 

 

Uhuh

And their are people who dont give a diddly sh*t about the Inquisitor and Solas, you know the ones that havent played the game aka potential consumers. The Inquisitor is over, and i personally dont want to play a cripple. Time to move one

 

New players don't care about any of the things in DA. They don't care if Dwarves are suddenly 7 feet tall and purple, they don't care if every past companion died on the same day by lining up and being kicked in the head by the same horse one by one, they don't care if the combat suddenly becomes a FPS with those lyrium guns from Descent, etc..."People who have never played or heard of the franchise don't care about this element" isn't a good reason to do anything.

[Nefla]

Ideally what I would want is for all of those to be viable options, but for none of them to be required. In one playthrough I might want to play a character who's, simply speaking, a brute. Someone who has no respect or patience for politicing and guile and who won't lower themselves to it. In another playthrough I might want to play a character who isn't an unstoppable murder machine and actually wouldn't fair particularly well in a fight, but can think and talk their way out of most situations.

 

One of my issues with the Inquisitor is that they did have to politic and strategize and couldn't just be a thug. I'd like the option to play an eloquent and refined character but I don't want to be forced into it anymore than I want to be forced into playing a mindless brute. It's one of the reasons I want to move away from being the leader of large organizations; I feel that so long as we are that, we're going to have to live up to certain expectations. We're going to have to be inspiring, for whatever that means.

 

You're pretty much the only one I've seen asking for the dagger attachment. Everyone else is expecting a lyrium-powered automail cybernetic arm that, if anything, would be an improvement over the flesh and bone, which is a very different thing from modern real life prosthesis. 

 

Of course it might just be that the whole thing reminds me too much of Shadowrun and other cyberpunk settings where people get their limbs lopped off willingly for cyberware replacements. The magetek version of that just strikes me as a juvenile attempt to make the character cool.

I wish those things were options too, but none of them are. Not in story and certainly not as a game mechanic. I think we're both disappointed by the roleplaying options available in DA:I. We are on the same page about certain things. I don't want to be the head of a huge organization either. Something I would like is if the inquisition was disbanded or if one of the advisors became our successor then we would be free to fade into obscurity and work behind the scenes under a fake identity. We already know that people don't really know what the inquisitor looks like. You get all those comments "is that the inquisitor? Nah, it must be someone's pet (Qunari)" and the only reason they recognize you at all is based on how you're acting, how you're dressed, and who you're with. Even your own inquisition members don't recognize you when you sit right in front of them as "Grim." It's the perfect opportunity for a decoy and some espionage

[BansheeOwnage]

Which, as people have just stated, would be insulting, morally disgusting, and just lame.

Oh, and I forgot: Disrespectful too.

[BansheeOwnage]

Remember how we were going to "found the Jedi order" in DA:I? This is the chance! (as long as we get to play the inquisitor of course)

I never really felt like that was what I was doing. Oh well.

 

How? 

Uh... you really don't understand how Bioware crippling a protagonist as a (poor) excuse to have them disappear is insulting? How?!

 

Lol no, a new pc returning is the best idea the devs came up with for Dragon Age. Glad to see the lead writer is on the same page.

And this is what is boils down to for most of the pro returning protagonist folks, romance and pairing bile. Theres a huge chunk of players who dont care for the bald elf and his bond with the Inquisitor. Not to mention potential new players. Bringing the Inquisitor back is stupid, bioware amputated for a reason. My Inquistor, next PC please.

 

 

Clearly you haven't read any of the thread if that's what you think. I have never done the Solas romance and don't plan to, and I want the Inquisitor back. If you really think that's why most people want a return, you haven't been paying any attention or are simply delusional.

[Nefla]

I never really felt like that' what I was doing. Oh well.

Me either, not at all. That was one of the things the devs said before the game was released though, something like "instead of being a jedi, it will be like founding the jedi order." Starting a small, highly trained, specialized shadow organization would be a chance to do something like that though

[BansheeOwnage]

Me either, not at all. That was one of the things the devs said before the game was released though, something like "instead of being a jedi, it will be like founding the jedi order." Starting a small, highly trained, specialized shadow organization would be a chance to do something like that though

True. It makes more sense to me that an Inquisition isn't an army the size of a small nation's, but a small group of specialists, like the Seekers, who were the Inquisition in the first place. It would be cool if that's what we could make them into again, next game. Demon hunters/special forces/Spectre/Jedi type people. And of course, like the Seekers, they would be inquisitors, and try to solve problems in addition to fighting.

[Former_Fiend]

I wish those things were options too, but none of them are. Not in story and certainly not as a game mechanic. I think we're both disappointed by the roleplaying options available in DA:I. We are on the same page about certain things. I don't want to be the head of a huge organization either. Something I would like is if the inquisition was disbanded or if one of the advisors became our successor then we would be free to fade into obscurity and work behind the scenes under a fake identity. We already know that people don't really know what the inquisitor looks like. You get all those comments "is that the inquisitor? Nah, it must be someone's pet (Qunari)" and the only reason they recognize you at all is based on how you're acting, how you're dressed, and who you're with. Even your own inquisition members don't recognize you when you sit right in front of them as "Grim." It's the perfect opportunity for a decoy and some espionage

 

Which is all well and good, but if Solas doesn't specifically inform his group to look out for a one-armed qunari, he is not doing his job properly.

[Homeboundcrib]

I was willing to let the inqusitor go Until trespasser come out, trespasser made there story more personal on every level. love, hate what ever and I know some don't believe that or saw that but others clearly did. I'm over having a new hero clean up the old pc's mess I understand why that had to happen for origins and DA:2. But here they have an opportunity to change that.

As for the arm it can be replaced I have said this a few times now we have seen lyrium guns, bull was meant to have a cannon for an arm. So it has been thought about and can be done. It would have been easier to kill the inqusitor out right in trespasser instead of taking there arm. This is a really cheap way of side lining them.

Now for new players, they are not going to give a hoot about anything going on in DA and will have no idea what's happening in the story. unless they go back and play the other games which I cant see many doing.

[diaspora2k5]

Which is all well and good, but if Solas doesn't specifically inform his group to look out for a one-armed qunari, he is not doing his job properly.

Even then, Solas knows precisely how the Inquisitor operates whilst the Inquisitor knows little to nothing of Solas. The Inquisitor being the lead against Solas would be suicidal.

[Homeboundcrib]

How is that any different from a new pc going after solas they would have no knowledge at all and one can change how one operates.

[Nefla]

Even then, Solas knows precisely how the Inquisitor operates whilst the Inquisitor knows little to nothing of Solas. The Inquisitor being the lead against Solas would be suicidal.

I'm not sold on that. As the leader of the inquisition, the inquisitor did anything and everything his advisors told him to. Every mission was based on their plan, not his. His actions were severely restricted due to public image and public relations. Does Solas really know much about how the inquisitor would operate when left to his own devices? In my opinion: no. Meanwhile, what do we know about Solas? He's prideful and stuborn, he's not great at controlling his disdain, his rage, his sometimes murderous tendencies. We know that he controls the eluvians which teleport you from place to place as well as spitting you out in the fade or an in between space. He has numerous elven spies and agents that are recruited from somewhere, he detests Tevinter and the Qunari and looks down on the non elf races. We also know his goal is to rip open the veil, merge the waking world with the fade, and restore elven glory. We know all about his history and how powerful he is. The problem isn't that he knows us while we don't know him, it's that he's way more powerful and has much better resources than we do. 

[Nefla]

Which is all well and good, but if Solas doesn't specifically inform his group to look out for a one-armed qunari, he is not doing his job properly.

A one armed Tal Vashoth in Tevinter can't be that rare (and a one-armed person of any other race wouldn't be distinct at all, especially if you're not where he expects you to be) but this would be a good opportunity to use a prosthetic arm, even if it's simply for looks. If you have "the inquisitor" (who is really a decoy) doing all the things you'd expect the inquisitor do be doing at the places you expect them to be, then why suspect what seems to be one unassuming person in a different country?

[NoForgiveness]

Now for new players, they are not going to give a hoot about anything going on in DA and will have no idea what's happening in the story. unless they go back and play the other games which I cant see many doing.

Nah, it shouldn't be that hard to get into. All new players really need is for the story to make sense. With Solas being a destroy the world type... should be pretty easy to get. Sort of like ME3, in a way.

[Former_Fiend]

A one armed Tal Vashoth in Tevinter can't be that rare (and a one-armed person of any other race wouldn't be distinct at all, especially if you're not where he expects you to be) but this would be a good opportunity to use a prosthetic arm, even if it's simply for looks. If you have "the inquisitor" (who is really a decoy) doing all the things you'd expect the inquisitor do be doing at the places you expect them to be, then why suspect what seems to be one unassuming person in a different country?

 

Well, for starters I don't expect Solas' organization to be using any qunari. I could buy him using humans as proxies because if it's nothing but elves that becomes a little too obvious. But qunari draw attention.

 

And if they are using qunari, I could see him instituting a "no qunari who're missing their left arm" rule, just in case.

[Nefla]

 

Well, for starters I don't expect Solas' organization to be using any qunari. I could buy him using humans as proxies because if it's nothing but elves that becomes a little too obvious. But qunari draw attention.

 

And if they are using qunari, I could see him instituting a "no qunari who're missing their left arm" rule, just in case.

Oh, I don't mean the inquisitor would personally join Solas' organization. (Though I want to have a bit of that in the comic I hope to make. My inquisitor is an elf though, so it would be much easier)

[BansheeOwnage]

Even then, Solas knows precisely how the Inquisitor operates whilst the Inquisitor knows little to nothing of Solas. The Inquisitor being the lead against Solas would be suicidal.

I'm not convinced. In fact, I'm convinced of the opposite. Nefla has already explained how we know just as much about Solas as he does us, if not more, and the Inquisitor can and will have to change tactics because of the Inquisition's restructuring anyway. Saying he knows "precisely how the Inquisitor operates" is hyperbole. Besides, even if that were true, the Inquisitor still leads the offensive against Solas. So obviously they didn't think Solas knowing them was an insurmountable obstacle, not even close.

 

Why do some people insist the Inquisitor can't lead an offensive against Solas when that's exactly what happens? How can they insist Solas knowing them means they can't be important yet in the next sentence insist they can be a chessmaster-type character? I just don't get it.

[leaguer of one]

I'm not convinced. In fact, I'm convinced of the opposite. Nefla has already explained how we know just as much about Solas as he does us, if not more, and the Inquisitor can and will have to change tactics because of the Inquisition's restructuring anyway. Saying he knows "precisely how the Inquisitor operates" is hyperbole. Besides, even if that were true, the Inquisitor still leads the offensive against Solas. So obviously they didn't think Solas knowing them was an insurmountable obstacle, not even close.

 

Why do some people insist the Inquisitor can't lead an offensive against Solas when that's exactly what happens? How can they insist Solas knowing them means they can't be important yet in the next sentence insist they can be a chessmaster-type character? I just don't get it.

Solas is smart. He would not be dumb enough not to have counters to the inquisitors action. The quis has no choice but to be a chess master to catch him off guard.

[Former_Fiend]

The Inquisitor is a very hands on, lead from the front, gets their own hands dirty type of person. That's what Solas knows. Them taking a step back, working behind the scenes as a chessmaster... well it's not completely out of character because the Wartable is a thing, but that isn't the side of the Inquisitor that Solas is most familiar with. 

 

There's also that level of separation with a new protagonist, assuming they're even working for the Inquisitor. The Inquisitor might give them an objective but the way they tackle that objective could be in a manner the Inquisitor wouldn't, which could throw Solas off the trail.