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[Heimdall]

Please, if anything there is less logic to continue this cycle of Random Nobody #364793 please step forward. The only people grasping at straws are people who fail to see how important this is, for the Setting, for the Characters, and for this Franchise.

It isn't necessary for the Inquisitor to be the protagonist for them to be an important part of the efforts against Solas, nor do they need to be playable for the confrontation with Solas. More likely, they will have a Hawke style cameo and appear during the final confrontation with a set of lines determined by whether or not you decided to redeem or kill Solas in Tresspasser.

[dsl08002]

Please, if anything there is less logic to continue this cycle of Random Nobody #364793 please step forward. The only people grasping at straws are people who fail to see how important this is, for the Setting, for the Characters, and for this Franchise.

I agree

also it will be even difficult to create an interesting PC, because the quality has dropped during over the past 3 games.

besides Bioware made it abundantly clear after Hawke cameo where they stood on that front having PC return. Considering how people reacted to that how do they expect people to react towards the inquisitor.

[Darkly Tranquil]

While I'm not inherently against the idea of a returning protagonist, I can think of anything more disappointing than having to play the Inquisitor again. The Warden or Hawke, sure, but i have no interest in revisiting the Inquisitor, who is Bioware's least interesting protagonist to date IMO.

[Smudjygirl]

It isn't necessary for the Inquisitor to be the protagonist for them to be an important part of the efforts against Solas, nor do they need to be playable for the confrontation with Solas. More likely, they will have a Hawke style cameo and appear during the final confrontation with a set of lines determined by whether or not you decided to redeem or kill Solas in Tresspasser.

 

I think that's what bothers people. Hawke was "set" and didn't live up to what people expected based on previous choices. For the same to happen with the Inquisitor would be bad writing. No matter the outcome of Trespasser, the fight with Solas is SO personal to the Inquisitor, and the player through them, to not be able to choose responses would feel like a disconnect.

[TheRevanchist]

It isn't necessary for the Inquisitor to be the protagonist for them to be an important part of the efforts against Solas, nor do they need to be playable for the confrontation with Solas. More likely, they will have a Hawke style cameo and appear during the final confrontation with a set of lines determined by whether or not you decided to redeem or kill Solas in Tresspasser.

 

No, no that is acceptable. It is not acceptable because too many people complained their Hawke didn't behave with 100% accordance to their Head Canon, that it did not take every little nuance and alteration they made into account, because that's totally reasonable. To avoid this it is best to give us control of their Dialogue options, for the one scene alone, if nothing else.

[Scofield]

Said it before an say it again, the DA series could benefit more from a trilogy with the same PC than it would without, but then im of the opinion BioWare will only get the success from a game that they seem to crave by totally changing there approach to how there games work an play

[Heimdall]

No, no that is acceptable. It is not acceptable because too many people complained their Hawke didn't behave with 100% accordance to their Head Canon, that it did not take every little nuance and alteration they made into account, because that's totally reasonable. To avoid this it is best to give us control of their Dialogue options, for the one scene alone, if nothing else.

I think that's what bothers people. Hawke was "set" and didn't live up to what people expected based on previous choices. For the same to happen with the Inquisitor would be bad writing. No matter the outcome of Trespasser, the fight with Solas is SO personal to the Inquisitor, and the player through them, to not be able to choose responses would feel like a disconnect.

Maybe, but I think they set themselves up to do it better for that specific situation. The problem was that Hawke acted in contradiction to the way he could be played in the previous game. In this case they've set up what the Inquisitor wants with Solas and can write to reflect that for this specific situation. They've left themselves the tools to make it work better than Hawke did, again, for this specific situation. I think that was intentional.

[daveliam]

I'm fully of the opinion that I don't want to play as the Inquisitor again.  How is my two-handed warrior (or my alts - a dual wield rogue and ranged rogue) going to work as a PC now that he's one handed?  I fully support the "new PC every game" approach.  I'm also not willing to write off the way that the new PC will be tied to the DA: I plot yet.  We have a brand new head writer who is going to bring a completely fresh approach to the series.  Let's give him a chance before we assume that it's not going to be implemented well.

[Scofield]

OT here

 

Trespasser basically confirms Hawke/Warden is dead if left in fade eh?

[Smudjygirl]

Maybe, but I think they set themselves up to do it better for that specific situation. The problem was that Hawke acted in contradiction to the way he could be played in the previous game. In this case they've set up what the Inquisitor wants with Solas and can write to reflect that for this specific situation. They've left themselves the tools to make it work better than Hawke did, again, for this specific situation. I think that was intentional.

 

And the Inquisitor is still a fairly big blank slate. But it's the emotional connection players have to Solas through the Inquisitor, more than the "Inquisitor Stubby is acting strange". Like in my previous analogy, it's similar to having the HoF's last fight be Logain, but having Hawke fight the Archdemon, but wose because of the personal relationship between the Inquisitor and Solas

[TheRevanchist]

I'm fully of the opinion that I don't want to play as the Inquisitor again.  How is my two-handed warrior (or my alts - a dual wield rogue and ranged rogue) going to work as a PC now that he's one handed?  I fully support the "new PC every game" approach.  I'm also not willing to write off the way that the new PC will be tied to the DA: I plot yet.  We have a brand new head writer who is going to bring a completely fresh approach to the series.  Let's give him a chance before we assume that it's not going to be implemented well.

 

And suppose Patrick agree's with us, and thinks the "new PC every time" routine has run it's course?

[dsl08002]

And the Inquisitor is still a fairly big blank slate. But it's the emotional connection players have to Solas through the Inquisitor, more than the "Inquisitor Stubby is acting strange". Like in my previous analogy, it's similar to having the HoF's last fight be Logain, but having Hawke fight the Archdemon, but wose because of the personal relationship between the Inquisitor and Solas

Exactly if they said HoF was difficult to write as NPC how are they going to do this when there is not set personality for the inquisitor

[Smudjygirl]

And suppose Patrick agree's with us, and thinks the "new PC every time" routine has run it's course?

 

Not to put a damper on it, but and argument of superlatives is pointless and won't get anywhere. He'll do what he thinks is best for the story, i'm sure

[Smudjygirl]

Exactly if they said HoF was difficult to write as NPC how are they going to do this when there is not set personality for the inquisitor

 

And a damp noodle NPC won't get a good reaction >_>

[EICAS]

Okay if having a new protagonist was really that inevitable, then it'd still be a best-selling one if they simply make HoF hawke n inquisitor as your companions yet they were simply very reluctant to do anything like that...What's so bad having an all-star team to fight solas...it's very reasonable that you'd hire free-of-charge MVPs rather than nobodies if u wanna win a ball game

 

And I don't really think Solas did know hawke and HoF very well, knowing someone well doesn't mean u can defeat him or her...

 

Why would "knowing someone well" suddenly became so important everywhere that renders some people not usable, imo it's just an excuse for BW to bring in new companions to replace the previous could-be-KIA or could-be-MIA or could-be-divine ones 

[Heimdall]

And the Inquisitor is still a fairly big blank slate. But it's the emotional connection players have to Solas through the Inquisitor, more than the "Inquisitor Stubby is acting strange". Like in my previous analogy, it's similar to having the HoF's last fight be Logain, but having Hawke fight the Archdemon, but wose because of the personal relationship between the Inquisitor and Solas

I think a more apt analogy would be the HoF killing the Archdemon, but someone else killing the Architect that unleashed it and has further plans... But hey, that CAN happen.

I get wanting to have control of the Inquisitor for that. I just don't agree that it would necessarily be an empty experience otherwise. They'll work up a relationship between the new PC and Solas, it won't be the same but the new perspective on him is something I'm looking forward to. I don't have a problem with not having direct control in my Inquisitor's last conversation with Solas as long as she's there, I see it, and Bioware takes my Trespasser choice into account.

[BobZilla84]

I trust Patrick will do a great job with DA4 but as I have said before leaving this many loose ends is bad writing and the refusal to tie up these loose ends is annoying as hell.
Look I don't need to have The Inquisitor back as PC in DA4 but Patrick needs to come up with a way for our Inquisitors to be the one that deals with Solas thats all I'm saying let the new guy deal with The Qunari but Solas belongs to The Inquisitor.

[Smudjygirl]

I think a more apt analogy would be the HoF killing the Archdemon, but someone else killing the Architect that unleashed it and has further plans... But hey, that CAN happen.

I get wanting to have control of the Inquisitor for that. I just don't agree that it would necessarily be an empty experience otherwise. They'll work up a relationship between the new PC and Solas, it won't be the same but the new perspective on him is something I'm looking forward to. I don't have a problem with not having direct control in my Inquisitor's last conversation with Solas as long as she's there, I see it, and Bioware takes my Trespasser choice into account.

 

I don't know. Finding those responsible for the Breach was the Inquisitors job, and we know who was the cause, even if indirectly. It's the same feeling of duty as killing the archdemon as the HoF

 

Well, everyone needs to remember we're talking about a game and characters we know little (or nothing) about. As long as what they do is best for the story, i'll be happy. However, if it doesn't fit and seems to just fit in the quota of "new game, new characters", i will not be pleased. If a new hero fits, great, looking forward to it. But i have this terrible nagging feeling that something will be lost playing as a character who has little to no connection to Solas. It will be another black and white "There's that bad guy, let's get him!" Those kinds of games are a dime a dozen. New characters suit games that only marginally affect each other, but most DA storylines seem to overlap in many different ways, some we can't even see yet.

[EICAS]

 If a new hero fits, great, looking forward to it. But i have this terrible nagging feeling that something will be lost playing as a character who has little to no connection to Solas. It will be another black and white "There's that bad guy, let's get him!" Those kinds of games are a dime a dozen. New characters suit games that only marginally affect each other, but most DA storylines seem to overlap in many different ways, some we can't even see yet.

 

Why I got a bad feeling that this is what BW is exactly going to do for the next one.... 

[Smudjygirl]

Why I got a bad feeling that this is what BW is exactly going to do for the next one.... 

 

Which is why i'm here voicing my concern, in the hope the powers that be take notes

[BobZilla84]

I don't know. Finding those responsible for the Breach was the Inquisitors job, and we know who was the cause, even if indirectly. It's the same feeling of duty as killing the archdemon as the HoF
 
Well, everyone needs to remember we're talking about a game and characters we know little (or nothing) about. As long as what they do is best for the story, i'll be happy. However, if it doesn't fit and seems to just fit in the quota of "new game, new characters", i will not be pleased. If a new hero fits, great, looking forward to it. But i have this terrible nagging feeling that something will be lost playing as a character who has little to no connection to Solas. It will be another black and white "There's that bad guy, let's get him!" Those kinds of games are a dime a dozen. New characters suit games that only marginally affect each other, but most DA storylines seem to overlap in many different ways, some we can't even see yet.

I agree it all depends on the story but I am still concerned about how the new PC will tie into things I just hope they dont force them in.I hope theres a well written tie to Solas/Inquisitor and not "Oh your evil die fiend".

[Smudjygirl]

I agree it all depends on the story but I am still concerned about how the new PC will tie into things I just hope they dont force them in.I hope theres a well written tie to Solas/Inquisitor and not "Oh your evil die fiend".

 

I think that is what we have in common, those of us saying this. This story could be amazing on so many levels, but it could also fail in drastic ways. Sometimes, it's better to break with old formulas, even for a time, to ensure the best possible outcome. Especially in a story. Emotional connections to characters is probably the most vital bit, because weak characters, and by extension their relationship, causes stories to be weak,

[Heimdall]

I agree it all depends on the story but I am still concerned about how the new PC will tie into things I just hope they dont force them in.I hope theres a well written tie to Solas/Inquisitor and not "Oh your evil die fiend".

 

I think that is what we have in common, those of us saying this. This story could be amazing on so many levels, but it could also fail in drastic ways. Sometimes, it's better to break with old formulas, even for a time, to ensure the best possible outcome. Especially in a story. Emotional connections to characters is probably the most vital bit, because weak characters, and by extension their relationship, causes stories to be weak,

I agree.  I've long said that Sun Li is Bioware's best villain because they were able to build up a personal connection effectively.  Having the Inquisitor running the fight and possibly appearing at the final confrontation seems like enough to me though.

 

But it's probably too soon to make judgments about how the new character might factor in.  My expectation is that the new PC will be manipulated to start with, not realizing who they're working for or who they're truly fighting against.  The Qunari invasion makes this more complicated, there are going to be multiple plots going on.  I actually hope to learn more about the Old Gods and the Great Dragons in the next game, maybe work something in about the Kossith (Tevinter and Qunari being an intersection of all things dragon related).  I'm very interested in all these things but unsure how Solas could work into them.  So...  Yeah, I don't know.  There's a lot I want to see in DA4 beyond Solas.

[EICAS]

This story could be amazing on so many levels, but it could also fail in drastic ways. Sometimes, it's better to break with old formulas, even for a time, to ensure the best possible outcome. Especially in a story. Emotional connections to characters is probably the most vital bit, because weak characters, and by extension their relationship, causes stories to be weak,

 

Right, exactly.

[MaxQuartiroli]

I agree it all depends on the story but I am still concerned about how the new PC will tie into things I just hope they dont force them in.I hope theres a well written tie to Solas/Inquisitor and not "Oh your evil die fiend".

 

I agree.. and another thing that concern me is that they would give us another noob who doesn't know a single thing about the lore.

If I find myself asking AGAIN the same questions about the wardens, the calling, the qun, the tranquils,the fade and so on I think I am going to scream.