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[The Lone Shadow]

I haven't played the DLC yet, since I am one of those unfortunate souls who plays on an XBOX 360. But from what I've gathered, I'm thinking my next elf Quizz will disband. She viewed the inquisition as (1) necessary to stop Mr. God-wannabe, and (2) help elves obtain a better life. She was hoping to use her position to elevate the elves enough for them to be treated better, of course this wasn't going to happen over night or anytime soon. But she hoped that with enough time she could use her power as the inquisitor to help them in any small way, which is why she put Briala on the throne and put a hardened Divine Leliana on the Sunburst Throne. But if the inquisition is losing influence and  the fate of the inquisition is either to be disbanded, or be controlled by shemlen and their Chantry, she would rather destroy what she created then to give it to them. She hates the Chantry and doesn't want to help it in any way, which is also one of the reasons she put a crazy Leliana as their leader and told Cassandra to give up on the Seekers.

 

The bad side about this is whole Briala and Gaspard thing. Without the eluvians and the Inquisition's backing it doesn't look well for her. I can only hope that she went with the other elves to join Solas. Abandoning a sinking ship before it explodes. Also, Frelden is possibly going to get invaded, without the Inquisition to intervene, Gaspard has no reason not go back to war mongering ways. So, this what you get Teagan. 

[Daerog]

My canon is a devout Andrastian, Circle Loyalist, and he chose to disband. I found that ending to be more satisfying than continuing with the Inquisition as a formal part of the Chantry under Divine Victoria, formerly known as First Enchanter Vivienne.

 

My Inquisitor can publicly bow out with great love and fanfare, and then just slip on over to the reclusive Seeker headquarters with Cassandra while they look for ways to counter Solas with fewer distractions (also rejected being a Jenny). It also allows everyone else a break to live their lives and can still be called upon if they still desire to help.

 

Probably continue it with my secondary canon... maybe...

[rpgfan321]

Disband.

 

I thought the codex entries in Halamshiral and the actions of rest of Inquisition soldiers attest to how uncontrollable the organization now is. The Inquisition soldiers were arrogant against the nobles of Orlais and Ferelden is just pissed at anyone associated with the Inquisition. Even if the soldiers and agents were behaving themselves, Orlais and Ferelden would always find some fault in the organization or anyone associated with to jab their fingers at them. Much as I did not like how Teagan represented Ferelden, he was right about how dangerous it was for an organization to not be allies with any nation and just exist on their borders with a giant standing army. The Inquisition was uncontrollable and unpredictable from the start because the organization answers to a higher calling than any nation which is to bring order of the entire continent. 

 

Also Cullen and Josephine were really arguing because they were at the end of their rope especially Josephine (she was really stressed out). I thought there would be a high chance of the leadership being burned out from the pressure of the work.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

Any proper democratic government has re-elections after a set time period, effectively disbanding the old and installing a new one based on the people's choice as to avoid corruption.

When that doesn't happen you get cases where Putin was voted for president by like what? 140(lol)% percent of russians?

 

Charities for a specific cause also disband once the required help has been provided and charities have been known for being corrupt, as it's easy to claim you're helping people while you're really just putting the money in your pocket.

In democratic governments the administration tends to be replaced, but by and by the bureaucrats remain in place and they effectively run everything.

[Toasted Llama]

In democratic governments the administration tends to be replaced, but by and by the bureaucrats remain in place and they effectively run everything.

 

But they have no free reign to run everything, their influence goes as far as the people allow it. It wouldn't be a democracy otherwise.

[vertigomez]

Disband. "Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance." - Sun Tzu

This.

Plus, Solas knows how the Inquisitor acts when they're large and in charge. He's got spies all over our organization - hell, even HQ is more or less HIS building.

You gotta do the unexpected to trick a Trickster. (Or... maybe that's what he wants. )

[Kimarous]

But they have no free reign to run everything, their influence goes as far as the people allow it. It wouldn't be a democracy otherwise.

 

I recommend watching a series called "Yes, Minister." British comedy series, "politician versus bureaucrats" focus... stuff like "Oh, you're in a hurry? But this important document (for orders contrary to your political statements) needs your signature..." and similar shenanigans.

 

Or if you want a real-life example, my mom's workplace - a governmental office - has a shifty jerkass of a boss who has pulled a lot of crap (like hiring certain staff without going through the proper procedures... and during an official hiring freeze, too), and despite my mother finally speaking up about it to his boss, the most that's happened is a slap on the wrist. She could drag the union into things, but that would have ramifications for the entire building, let alone the actual governmental work that needs doing.

 

In other words, the stuff I hear from my mom all the time shows you have no idea what you're talking about. The bureaucratic level of government has corruption. Might not be nation-shaking level, but it's corruption nonetheless.

[AstraDrakkar]

I disbanded. Those ungrateful jerks are on their own now. Can't wait to see them whine and cry when Elven Demons or whatever end up on their doorstep. LOL!

[Dabrikishaw]

After thinking about it some more, my opinion has overall switched to Disband. The whole point of Trespasser was to end the Inquisition and the Inquisitor's role as protagonist. 

[Toasted Llama]

I recommend watching a series called "Yes, Minister." British comedy series, "politician versus bureaucrats" focus... stuff like "Oh, you're in a hurry? But this important document (for orders contrary to your political statements) needs your signature..." and similar shenanigans.

 

Or if you want a real-life example, my mom's workplace - a governmental office - has a shifty jerkass of a boss who has pulled a lot of crap (like hiring certain staff without going through the proper procedures... and during an official hiring freeze, too), and despite my mother finally speaking up about it to his boss, the most that's happened is a slap on the wrist. She could drag the union into things, but that would have ramifications for the entire building, let alone the actual governmental work that needs doing.

 

In other words, the stuff I hear from my mom all the time shows you have no idea what you're talking about. The bureaucratic level of government has corruption. Might not be nation-shaking level, but it's corruption nonetheless.

 

I dont know why but I had to think of "I swear on me mum!"

 

On a more serious note; sure, there's corruption (didn't say there was none), but if you let that walk free eventually you get North Korea/Russia/Italy/etc.

And pardon me while I naïvely believe the western world is far from the levels of North Korea/Russia/Italy/etc. Partially due to the fact that the normal people have a  level of influence and can kick out the rotten apples to a certain degree. Or add rotten apples... Terrible point of view, I know.

[Korva]

@mgagne: Yes, I agree (aside from the fact that I loathe Morrigan and the notion that she will be no doubt forced on us yet again). The unsubtle message that the Inquisition is worthless and bad, didn't and can't accomplish anything of value or lasting impact, and that there is no point in even trying essentially invalidates the point of the whole pre-Trespasser game for me. And that hurts, because while I have a lot of criticisms about the game, I had them partly because I found enough to love regardless and wish I could have loved it more.

 

I also don't see any sense in just giving up. Might as well have sat down under the Breach and waited for it to swallow the world, then. IMO the best part of Inquisition by far was In Your Heart Shall Burn: defiance in the face of evil despite impossible odds, perseverance, coming together in hope, trying to lead the people who need us to a better, safer life. The dawn will come. It was an extremely powerful arc (and remains so even in the face of Solas' betrayals and manipulations), it was just what I want from gaming, and I can't pretend it doesn't matter anymore just because we're told the only thing worth thinking about is Solas.

[Torgette]

I disbanded, my Dalish Inquisitor more than did her job and the power that the Inquisition had was becoming a distraction. Sure Solas is still out there, but they make a good point at the end - he knows everything about the Inquisition as it was... fortifying it is misguided. Also I feel like my companions were already accomplishing so much on their own, by disbanding it gives everybody closure.

[Kimarous]

I dont know why but I had to think of "I swear on me mum!"

 

On a more serious note; sure, there's corruption (didn't say there was none), but if you let that walk free eventually you get North Korea/Russia/Italy/etc.

And pardon me while I naïvely believe the western world is far from the levels of North Korea/Russia/Italy/etc. Partially due to the fact that the normal people have a  level of influence and can kick out the rotten apples to a certain degree. Or add rotten apples... Terrible point of view, I know.

 

I honestly think my initial snarky post has completely gone off the rails... >_>

 

All I meant from my original comment was "Oh, if ALL organizations eventually suffer from corruption, then they should be disbanded just like the Inquisition." I like poking fun at absolutes.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

But they have no free reign to run everything, their influence goes as far as the people allow it. It wouldn't be a democracy otherwise.

If you believe that you are extremely naive.

[Nixou]

And pardon me while I naïvely believe the western world is far from the levels of North Korea/Russia/Italy/etc. Partially due to the fact that the normal people have a  level of influence and can kick out the rotten apples to a certain degree

 

 

Huh... Italy's part of the Western World.  

[mat_mark]

I dont know why but I had to think of "I swear on me mum!"

 

On a more serious note; sure, there's corruption (didn't say there was none), but if you let that walk free eventually you get North Korea/Russia/Italy/etc.

And pardon me while I naïvely believe the western world is far from the levels of North Korea/Russia/Italy/etc. Partially due to the fact that the normal people have a  level of influence and can kick out the rotten apples to a certain degree. Or add rotten apples... Terrible point of view, I know.

 

Are you seriously comparing Italy with north Korea and Russia?! You really have no idea what you are talking about...

[Toasted Llama]

If you believe that you are extremely naive.

 

Yes, yes, I'm super naive for believing the western world are democracies, not bureaucracies. I guess I should now abandon my sheeple status, "wake up" and grab my tinfoil hat.

 

 

 

Huh... Italy's part of the Western World.  

 

 

..... And?

 

Do you know what exceptions are?

[Toasted Llama]

Are you seriously comparing Italy with north Korea and Russia?! You really have no idea what you are talking about...

 

Sorry, should I make seperate baskets of the level and type of corruption?

 

Mediocre basket goes here, bad basket goes here and the super bad basket goes here?

[Coryphefish]

CONTINUE! 

 

In-character: My canon inquisitor's personality was most like Cullen's. Lawful good. "Of course I need to keep this army, etc for the sake of order."

 

Out of character: Bioware keeps pushing the world state to retcon stuff I've done! My characters need as much power as they can scrounge together in order to have some semblance of headcanoned ability to push back. Hero of Ferelden asks Alistair to free the mages...Mages still not free. Hawke supports Anders all the way....Mages still not free and Anders abandoned by the rebellion. Inquisitor puts Leliana on the sunburst throne where she then abolishes the circles...Vivienne makes her own circle. YOU BET I'm going to give Leliana her own personal honor guard to protect the good she's trying to accomplish in the world.

[san/]

Disband.

The Breach is closed. The job is done.

And if (or, to be more correct, WHEN) Inquisitor dies, the Inquisition will turn into a bureaucratic monster no different from the Templar Order or the Chantry.

[mat_mark]

Sorry, should I make seperate baskets of the level and type of corruption?

 

Mediocre basket goes here, bad basket goes here and the super bad basket goes here?

 

North Korea and Russia are dictatorships, even if the latter tries to deny it. Italy is not.

 

I know my country, what happens here is no comparable to the atrocities committed by those two regimes

[Navasha]

Disband.   Not much worse than a near all-powerful organization that grows corrupt and power-hungry.    Even if you don't think the fight to stop Solas should end, that is best done by literally starting over with a whole new group of trusted resources like what played in the final clips. 

 

Orlais is chomping at the bit to have the inquisitions power for itself.   The fear of it is making Ferelden ready for war.   The inquisition if it remained would become it own worse enemy.   Becoming embroiled in wars and politics so much so that it can't focus on the new task of stopping the next world crisis. 

[Toasted Llama]

North Korea and Russia are dictatorships, even if the latter tries to deny it. Italy is not.

 

I know my country, what happens here is no comparable to the atrocities committed by those two regimes

 

I'm aware Italy is not a dictatorship like Russia or North Korea. I was under the impression that it was common knowledge and that made it clear I wasn't trying to compare Italy with Russia and North Korea. I guess I should have made that more obvious in my comment.

 

And if we would get really specific I'd have angry Russians on my back too, because North Korea is even worse than Russia (a lot worse, if you believe/trust this source; http://www.transpare...i2014/results).

 

 

EDIT: and because I'm severely derailing this thread I'm going to stop talking about this entire topic now.

[ElementalFury106]

All this discussion and debate pleases me. Music to my ears

[NRieh]

 

he Qunari invasion into Thedas was only delayed, not stopped, and Solas is amassing followers

Solas&  the Qunari plot were a good enough evidence, that with all it's power it has overgrown itself.

 

Also, those who had picked 'Champions of the Just' should probably have an extra hint on why it's so important to stop at the right moment. Imagine all that clearing the ranks, everyone is paranoind and watching everyone, because two of the 'inner circle' members turned out to be traitors (that's if IB is not Vashoth), etc.  I don't really like where it's going. Not to mention that the Inquisitor had lost his\her most valued advantage - Inq no longer has any special powers against the demons, rifts and fade. Add to that all the one-handed issues - he's not even much of a warrior any more. How long would it take for the reputation to be lost completely, when it was not that strong before the Trespasser events take place?