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[CronoDragoon]

I'm just amazed people even try to justify her as being a good character from what I've seen. Even her lack of speech seems to be designed to cater for the socially inept (don't worry; yes she's hot but you don't actually have to talk to her! Keep calm!).

It's like it's designed for 13yr olds.

Her outfit definitely is, but there is a damn good reason she doesn't talk, and unlike the reason for her outfit it makes sense and ties in importantly with the larger themes of the game.

[Lonely Heart Poet]

Her outfit definitely is, but there is a damn good reason she doesn't talk, and unlike the reason for her outfit it makes sense and ties in importantly with the larger themes of the game.

Sorry! Wrong post.

[The_Other_M]

You mean having a squadmate that's actually useful in battle, instead of a bullet-sponge that has the survival instincts of a cornflake in a bowl of milk?

Then hell yeah! Now having a squadmate as a hawt piece of eyecandy....I'm all for that too. Having both is awesome.

 

Quiet has saved my ass plenty of times in MGSV, I mean damn, the girl is good at her job.

 

She scouts out enemies & target objectives, provides useful cover fire, and assists during boss fights, and is smart enough to avoid enemy fire(most of the time). And if an area/guardpost is open enough, she can single-handedly wipe it out. 

 

Enclosed areas like buildings or areas with poor sniping points, not so good. But that's more D-Dog's specialty.

[Galbrant]

I miss Quiet wrecking everything with her Brennan while I go behind the enemies back and steal their stuff. 

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[Yuki Mashiro Manga]

Her outfit definitely is, but there is a damn good reason she doesn't talk, and unlike the reason for her outfit it makes sense and ties in importantly with the larger themes of the game.

 

This, tbh. The fact that she doesn't speak is completely unrelated to any kind of fanservice her character offers.

[Seraphim24]

Her outfit definitely is, but there is a damn good reason she doesn't talk, and unlike the reason for her outfit it makes sense and ties in importantly with the larger themes of the game.

 

Hm well question though! Since your avatar is Kid from Chrono Cross....

 

 

 

I am curious as to what distinguishes her outfit from making sense versus Quiets in MGS5..? I was thinking of some reasons... I also must add though Kid was pretty cool always kept her in the party in that game

[von uber]

Her outfit definitely is, but there is a damn good reason she doesn't talk, and unlike the reason for her outfit it makes sense and ties in importantly with the larger themes of the game.

Because she had a virus that attacks her if she speaks English? Seriously? That's your damn good reason?
It's is almost as ridiculous as her breathing and drinking through her skin.

As I said, designed for 13yr olds - which is fine as long as it is acknowledged as such, and people accept the bollocks explanations for what they are - a (very) thin justification for having someone prance around in their underwear. It would probably be better if they didn't even bother to justify it.

Also, I notice no comment on that lovely let's kill her and then try to rape her lovely dead body scene - let me guess, that's okay as she ends up killing them all. Nothing like showing how strong a woman is by having her fight off rapists eh. Wonder why Mr Snake doesn't have to go killing a bunch of guys who try the same on him.

I hope to god mass effect doesn't go down this route - or of it does it treats it seriously.

[This is the End My Friend]

But REALLY Kojima?
We need credits at the beginning AND end of each chapter?
Really?

 

LOL.

[This is the End My Friend]

[Sartoz]

Because she had a virus that attacks her if she speaks English? Seriously? That's your damn good reason?
It's is almost as ridiculous as her breathing and drinking through her skin.

As I said, designed for 13yr olds - which is fine as long as it is acknowledged as such, and people accept the bollocks explanations for what they are - a (very) thin justification for having someone prance around in their underwear. It would probably be better if they didn't even bother to justify it.

Also, I notice no comment on that lovely let's kill her and then try to rape her lovely dead body scene - let me guess, that's okay as she ends up killing them all. Nothing like showing how strong a woman is by having her fight off rapists eh. Wonder why Mr Snake doesn't have to go killing a bunch of guys who try the same on him.

I hope to god mass effect doesn't go down this route - or of it does it treats it seriously.

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No one is compelling you to buy the game. Seems like her outfit is a burr up you azz, by the reaction... but semi nude sex scenes is ok?

 

Just asking.

[SpiritMuse]

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No one is compelling you to buy the game. Seems like her outfit is a burr up you azz, by the reaction... but semi nude sex scenes is ok?
 
Just asking.

It's not just about the nudity/sexiness, it's about when and how it's used. Some tasteful nudity in a consensual sex scene as part of a long and involved romance plot is an entirely different thing than a character prancing around practically naked while the camera is constantly perving over her body no matter whether it's appropriate to the situation.

[AtreiyaN7]

Because she had a virus that attacks her if she speaks English? Seriously? That's your damn good reason?
It's is almost as ridiculous as her breathing and drinking through her skin.
 

 

I've already posted on how I detest her outfit, the fanservice, etc., but that is a completely separate matter from her not speaking. If you played the game, you'd know that (putting this in spoilers to avoid spoiling things for people who are still playing MGS5 but aren't that far along - seriously, don't read this until you're fairly far in):

 

Spoiler

1. It's a parasite, not a virus.

2. Speaking the specific language that the parasites are attuned to (and there are different strains, including an English variant) will trigger the parasites into attacking the host's lungs, along with spreading the infection itself.

3. The parasites have infected many, many people - eventually triggering an epidemic right on Mother Base at a certain point in the game (the infected soldiers are afflicted with the Kikongo strain). It actually starts killing your staff (you will lose people) until you finally get to the cure,

4. Quiet actually does speak at a certain point. I heard her talking to Code Talker - in Navajo - in a cutscene the other night. She can speak, but you just won't hear her speak English.

[Galbrant]

I don't really understand the complaints that Quiet is well mute MASSIVE SPOILERS AHEAD:

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due to the nature of the English Vocal Cord Parasites.  She was sent as an Ace in  a hole by Skullface to kill Big Boss and all she had to do is speak a few words in English to trigger the vocal cord parasites to kill Venom Snake and every other English speaking personnel on Mother Base. But it seems as her frequent disappearance from her brig it looks like she come to appreciate what Venom Snake is doing compared to Skullface who fixed her up just to suicidally send her to kill Snake and made her patient zero of the English strain.  And I don't blame Quiet not communicating at all when you have Miller and Diamond Dog staff is looking for any excuse to put a bullet in her. You can see the graffiti outside her cell. Once we dealt with the Kikongo Strain one that I might add wiped out almost half of my personnel at mother base, because I neglected to notice it was affecting Kikongo speakers and failed to quarantine them. It's not that surprising to see her become more tight lipped afterwards even during her torture.

 

Yes her reason for her attire is part of Kojima's made up Nanomachines 2.0 Parasites and he then went the extra mile of having Big- err Ishmael turning Quiets lungs into a crisp to add another reasoning why she needs to be in a bikini while the End and Code Talker are comfortable clothed. Personally I like her attire though I do think her XOF outfit should have been available earlier for those who wanted it even if it doesn't makes sense in the context of Kojima's made up world where every camera angle always zooms in on butts, butt cracks, male crotches, panty shots, and breasts throughout the series. Yep not even those Sniper Skulls was spared from Kojima's camera.

 

As for her attempted rape by the soviet soldiers in her last flight... well  she did killed quite a good number of their men it's not that hard to see they wanted revenge on her and this game is all about revenge. Soldiers are known to do horrible things to POWs in retaliation. In Ground Zeroes Paz was torture, raped, and her internal organs removed to plant two bombs in her. Chico who is a child was forced to rape Paz under the threat of death. In Phantom Pain Venom Snake stumbles upon people being horribly experimented on in the Devil House which also include a child who contracted the late stages of the Vocal Cord Parasites. There are other instances of  of horrible mistreatment that you can see when infiltrating throughout Africa and Afghanistan.   Life of a POW is pretty crappy.

 

If Quiet really bothers you that much. Instead of extracting her on her boss fight just kill her and moved on  and you don't have to worry about her anymore. Sure you won't get a 100% but she won't grace your game except in that initial fight. I personally found her one of the more memorable characters in the game and she happens to be the only one in the game to give up on her revenge like a previous poster stated.  She is one of the best buddies in the game as she can wreck any outpost easily with her Brennan. She practically took out the Skull unit in the extreme version of Metallic Archaea by herself while I run around trying not to die most of the time. And she seems to be the only one to get Venom Snake to actually smile in the game and she even risked her life to get a necklace back for the child soldiers that Venom rescued.

 

 

 

[von uber]

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No one is compelling you to buy the game. Seems like her outfit is a burr up you azz, by the reaction... but semi nude sex scenes is ok?

Just asking.

No. Sex scenes should be completely nude.

Ridiculous justifications for characters not speaking and them rolling around like a cheap burlesque show for the titillation of little boys whilst wearing bugger all is a completely different thing, as you know.

[Queen Skadi]

No. Sex scenes should be completely nude.

Ridiculous justifications for characters not speaking and them rolling around like a cheap burlesque show for the titillation of little boys whilst wearing bugger all is a completely different thing, as you know.

 

Oh come now von uber, I am pretty sure men of all ages enjoy looking at naked and half naked women, to pretend this is the sole domain of the adolescent kind of makes you come off as slightly immature as well as the surest sign of immaturity is the unending pursuit and desire to appear mature.

[von uber]

Oh come now von uber, I am pretty sure men of all ages enjoy looking at naked and half naked women, to pretend this is the sole domain of the adolescent kind of makes you come off as slightly immature as well as the surest sign of immaturity is the unending pursuit and desire to appear mature.

 

Yes - but not when they are supposed to be in an active war zone and a professional killer. How hard is this to grasp? It's all about bloody context - if she was a stripper I could understand it.

The reasoning behind her supposed look is so risible as to be insulting - I would respect it more if Kojima had just said 'I like looking at ******'.

[Queen Skadi]

Yes I am right there with you on why Quiet's costume design is stupid von uber, I respect Kojima's freedom to dress his characters however he wants in the games he creates but I also respect your freedom to voice your opinion (which is an opinion I share) on how dumb the costume is. I don't for a second buy Kojima's in game reason for Quiet's state of undress and feel it is incredibly silly that anyone would try to claim that the reason Quiet's costume was designed the way it was is because of any other reason than it gives Kojima a hard on.

 

But that being said I stand behind every artists right to create whatever they want, if Kojima wants to create a mute scantly clad woman who exists purely as a sex object then he has every right to do so, of course we have every right to say how stupid that character is but we have no right to say that he can't or should not be able to do this.

[Sartoz]

Yes - but not when they are supposed to be in an active war zone and a professional killer.

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Your logic is all based on refusal to accept the parasite and its effect. Read Galbrandt's Spoiler for detail info on the parasite.

 

It is a fantasy game, not a real world simulation.   In reality, Kojima needs to sell the game. If Quiet's outfit sells, that is Capitalism and well within his purview to create one. The M 18+  ought to tell you what to expect.  Allowing oneself to get super upset at a costume is being silly.

 

Look here: https://www.youtube....h?v=2NESbyYPqnk

You get upset at this too? or accept women that wear the outfit in public....

[von uber]

Sorry, are you seriously using a grid girl to back up your argument as to why Quiet is ok to be dressed as she is?

The point is the parasite is a ridiculous justification. Why can't it be the other way around, that she had to remain fully clothed?

[ZombiePopper]

While I do very much love the female form
Several times while playing MGSV I was left just scratching my head at Quiet.
Don't get me wrong,
I loved her combat effectiveness,
But I felt there was a wasted opp to develop her just a little more, beyond the peep show.
But if it's any consolation,
My German Shepard (Reg) goes everywhere with me without a stitch of clothing

EDIT; His name is Regent, Reg for short, I wasn't being an elitist, cause he's part mutt.

[Sartoz]

Sorry, are you seriously using a grid girl to back up your argument as to why Quiet is ok to be dressed as she is?

The point is the parasite is a ridiculous justification. Why can't it be the other way around, that she had to remain fully clothed?

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No. I'm trying to understand the negative obsession. It's a game.

 

Moving on, now...

[SnakeCode]

People only hate fanservice when it isn't aimed at them.

[Feybrad]

People only hate fanservice when it isn't aimed at them.

 

I'm a straight Man of probably the exact Age Group that was aimed at, yet still detest it.

 

People hate Fanservice when it is so damn blatant and idiotically "justified".

[Sartoz]

I'm a straight Man of probably the exact Age Group that was aimed at, yet still detest it.

 

People hate Fanservice when it is so damn blatant and idiotically "justified".

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You bought the game? What did you detest? The one eye guy who wears a full body suit in the hot jungle? Now, that is idiotic, I agree.

[Just Here For Popcorns]

People only hate fanservice when it isn't aimed at them.

True. Miranda and Samara's suit and everyone complained, Thane's chest and Jacob's outfit no one batted single eyelid of how it was too sexual or unlogical for combat.

Still when it comes to Quiet from MGS5, her fanservice was plainly too much and stupid and reasons as "why" are even more dumber excuses. Still as someone already said in another thread that had something to do with MGS5 is you have to give credits to Kojima for even bothering to give some sort of cheap excuse to this exaggerated fanservice. However as OP said, her outfit to the side I actually liked Quiet more then some "Dragon Age" and "Mass Effect" characters who actually talked!