One sect of that faith does have high or superme priests, or experts on the faith every heard the title ayatollah
Yes. Ayatollahs don't have authority. They have influence and willing followers. There is no single Ayatollah who can claim to rule 'em all. It's not at all like the Chantry's top-down structure run by a dictator for life. But you know what is...?
Yes. Ayatollahs don't have authority. They have influence and willing followers. There is no single Ayatollah who can claim to rule 'em all. It's not at all like the Chantry's top-down structure run by a dictator for life. But you know what is...?
Can't talk about IRL politics to directly, but there is one country where they have both currentl and a major deal was recently struck with them.
But was never martyred only to be promoted to God's son in law or something and the religion he founded doesn't have a multi-layered bureaucracy modeled on an imperial government and led by an elected-for-life "supreme priest" who presides over an officially celibate clergy plus an order or two of holy knights in plate armour. They aren't being _that_ creative with the Chantry.
Modern islam doesn't but until the early twenieth century islam did have a surreme leader the caliph who also had the power to call holy wars. Until the romans destroyed the second temple Judaism had a high priest and a polticlly powerful priesthood and until the the early 11th century Judaism also had the Exilarchs who had authoriity over and even held power of excommunation over jews and had existed since the destruction of the first kingdom of Judea by the Assyrian Empire. The idea of a surpreme relgious/politcal leader is hardly only a christian thing.
As for Andreste the Tevinter and the northern chantry only ever saw her as a prophet not the bride of the maker back to the days of the orginal imperial chantry(which came before the orlesian empire started the southern chantry) which was headed by the archon. the Idea of her being the bride of the maker is a southern chantry belief.
Modern islam doesn't but until the early twenieth century islam did have a surreme leader the caliph who also had the power to call holy wars. Until the romans destroyed the second temple Judaism had a high priest and a polticlly powerful priesthood and until the the early 11th century Judaism also had the Exilarchs who had authoriity over and even held power of excommunation over jews and had existed since the destruction of the first kingdom of Judea by the Assyrian Empire. The idea of a surpreme relgious/politcal leader is hardly only a christian thing.
As for Andreste the Tevinter and the northern chantry only ever saw her as a prophet not the bride of the maker back to the days of the orginal imperial chantry(which came before the orlesian empire started the southern chantry) which was headed by the archon. the Idea of her being the bride of the maker is a southern chantry belief.
someone knows their history.
Yes. Ayatollahs don't have authority. They have influence and willing followers. There is no single Ayatollah who can claim to rule 'em all. It's not at all like the Chantry's top-down structure run by a dictator for life. But you know what is...?
None of those faiths existed in the beginning of the Dark Ages. Europe really only had one religion, and it had one leader.
Anyone who doesn't see the connection between the Chantry and the Catholic church is slitting hairs or has an agenda.
The Catholic Church isn't the only Christian faith to have a Pope. The Coptic Orthodox Church has a Pope as well.
Edit: Just throwing that out there. "The More You Know" and all that...
Thats also true, orginally the order of honor of the early christian church was the Pope of Rome who was the formal head of the Church, the Pope of Alexandra who was second on Honor to the Pope of Rome and the Patiarch of Antioch who made up the three Pentine sees who had extra juricnal control over the whole early church as opposed to the later penitarchy that was opposed by the Pentine sees and helped led to the spiliting of the early christian church and later the east-west schism.
None of those faiths existed in the beginning of the Dark Ages. Europe really only had one religion, and it had one leader.
Anyone who doesn't see the connection between the Chantry and the Catholic church is slitting hairs or has an agenda.
Theologically, it isn't like the Catholic Church, since a big focus is on the abandonment of the Maker, or at least his distancing from the world, and the entire world needing to convert to bring on Paradise. Such premises puts it on a very different path than Catholicism.
However, as an organization, it is set up like the Church is. Grand Clerics get together to vote for the next Divine and they have different positions that can reflect the different positions in the Catholic Church.
Hmm. two Church, in different parts of the Continent. With two Popes. but they vary in dogma, and one has a culture that has strong non-European influences....
....I wonder what that sounds like.....
Hmm. two Church, in different parts of the Continent. With two Popes. but they vary in dogma, and one has a culture that has strong non-European influences....
....I wonder what that sounds like.....
The middle east since the dawn of time lol.
Well, yes....
...but also Medieval Europe. Which Dragon Age is based on.
Not so much. The last Caliph in an actual pope-like position was about 30 years after Muhammed. Although even then they weren't being selected from among the priesthood.
After that the title of "Caliph" was claimed by multiple hereditary monarchies in a manner somewhat like the position of the British monarchy to the Anglican church. The split between the northern and southern Chantries actually mirrors the split between the Roman Catholic Church and the Greek Orthodox Church. As yet the Chantry has not experienced its own protestant revolution, although one of the epilogs was sliding into one which brings us to:
I'll tell you something else that's not: Christianity. Baptists, Methodists, Jehovah's Witnesses et al don't fall under the authority of the Pope and yet, are Christian religions. The Pope rules the Roman Catholic Church. To everyone else, he might as well be an local parish priest.
Not like modern Christianity no. Like medieval Christianity, specifically the Catholic and Orthodox Churches (which was almost all of it), yes, a fair bit.
Well, yes....
...but also Medieval Europe. Which Dragon Age is based on.
Of course it is. You just need to flip the map upside down and you have Fantasy Europe.
However, each thing does have its differences as well, and to say that Fereldan is *this* because England is/was *this* isn't necessarily the case. One can compare histories and structure, but they are their own thing still.
To just say that the Chantry is the Catholic Church is a bit misleading, since their policies and beliefs greatly differ.
However, saying that the history of Thedas is influenced by the history of Europe, that has been admitted to by the devs before Origins even released.
None of those faiths existed in the beginning of the Dark Ages. Europe really only had one religion, and it had one leader.
Anyone who doesn't see the connection between the Chantry and the Catholic church is slitting hairs or has an agenda.
The Chantry is not the Catholic Church. But it is based on the Catholic Church. Shrilling proclaiming it was invented wholecloth from the writer's imaginations is just being weird.
We've already been told multiple times that the Chantry teaches things that aren't true and deliberately suppresses mportant things that are. Which really makes the original post off base. We're never going to meet the actual Maker and find out that he's something different of course because the "actual Maker" is purely hypothetical.
So what the point of the thread if there is already sewn doubt into whether the Andrastian religion is right?
You mean Paganism? Because the Roman Catholic church absorbed Pagan holy days in order to help acclimate them into the fold, after they went in and conquered them...
I see no way that has anything to do with anything.
So what the point of the thread if there is already sewn doubt into whether the Andrastian religion is right?
Doubt?
Heathen! How dare ye bring into question Our Lady!
I've said it before, but BW exposing the other faiths like that and leaving one as a matter of Faith is kind of... boring... It's more interesting to have a fantasy world with multiple faiths, it creates more drama and mystery. However, by making the elf and dwarf religions fit into a nice narrative along with the Chant of Light really kills some of that earlier drama and mystery.
BW should introduce another faith when we can learn about stuff beyond Thedas, one that doesn't fit the narrative of the Chant like the elf and dwarf faiths do, just to add some of that drama back.
Also there are people who really, realty want the Maker to be a spirit they can kill in a Boss Fight, preferably one where The Inquisitor and the HoF team up with all their LIs. Then after it's done the Chantry will explode visibly and all the people of Thedas will gleefully become secular Humanist atheists and spend the rest of the series talking about how logical and smart the PC is for not believing in the Maker in the first place....
I see no way that has anything to do with anything.
Also there are people who really, realty want the Maker to be a spirit they can kill in a Boss Fight, preferably one where The Inquisitor and the HoF team up with all their LIs. Then after it's done the Chantry will explode visibly and all the people of Thedas will gleefully become secular Humanist atheists and spend the rest of the series talking about how logical and smart the PC is for not believing in the Maker in the first place....
Ya, but that would be boring and remove a lot of drama and mystery.
Exposing a deity to actually be the Big Bad, or making a religion actually have an evil hidden agenda, or just making it as a misunderstanding of the founder is seen often enough in fantasy, especially Final Fantasy. I like how Song of Ice and Fire is currently doing it; the faith is there and is a part of the driving force of some characters, but to just say The Seven are/is made up or something would really kill some of the drama.
Because Catholicism wasn't the only religion actively practiced in Europe in the Dark Ages. It's just the more "popular" one, because history is written by the victors.
And modern day revisionists.
Also there are people who really, realty want the Maker to be a spirit they can kill in a Boss Fight, preferably one where The Inquisitor and the HoF team up with all their LIs. Then after it's done the Chantry will explode visibly and all the people of Thedas will gleefully become secular Humanist atheists and spend the rest of the series talking about how logical and smart the PC is for not believing in the Maker in the first place....
...then the people in Thedas will start to worship the Inquisitor and the HoF because they delivered Thedas from the BB. A cult will be created and monuments will be raised to praise their holy names.
Doubt?
Heathen! How dare ye bring into question Our Lady!
I've said it before, but BW exposing the other faiths like that and leaving one as a matter of Faith is kind of... boring... It's more interesting to have a fantasy world with multiple faiths, it creates more drama and mystery. However, by making the elf and dwarf religions fit into a nice narrative along with the Chant of Light really kills some of that earlier drama and mystery.
BW should introduce another faith when we can learn about stuff beyond Thedas, one that doesn't fit the narrative of the Chant like the elf and dwarf faiths do, just to add some of that drama back.
I have absolutely no idea in what sense the dwarf and elf faiths fit into the Chant except in the generic "The Maker made all things so the Maker made the thing you worship" sense. Which is largely meaningless.
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