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[Lady Artifice]

Not by making him oppose the Inquisition and distrust the Inquisitor, that's entirely fine. They ruined him by making him so bombastic and aggressive about it. Arl Teagan Guerrin of Dragon Age: Origins is a patient, kind, deliberative person with the most courtly manners of any Ferelden the series ever shows. He was thoughtful and diplomatic. Whoever this person is supposed to be, he seems more like Chancellor Roderick 2.0, and if that's what they felt they needed for this DLC they could have created a new character instead of ruining one of the most enduring likable established characters. 

 

...end rant. 

[SardaukarElite]

I'm not sure, isn't it possible his aggression is a sign of how stressed out he is at having a foreign organization running troops around his province without his permission? I felt his position made a lot of sense, so I can understand him being more angry about it than normal. But I haven't played anything with old TEEAAGAAN Tegan in it in ages.

[Akrabra]

I think Teagan saw the Inquisition as an Orlesian force more than anything else. Josephine also hints at this in the DA:I main story, that is how some nobles see it. Probably made him and the other Ferelden nobles abit paranoid. Not only did they have the Orlesian Empire to deal with, but a bigger military force aswell they could be tied to Orlais. Also we did build Watchtowers in The Hinterlands to help the people, those towers beeing manned for 2 years after the breach was closed and Corypheus, could also be seen as the start of an invasion or the refusal to withdraw. 

 

But i do agree with you, not only was the character design horrible, he didn't act like the Teagan we know and love. It didn't even match up to how he was in DA:II, to sudden of a change for the character. They should have used another Ferelden noble, imo. 

[Xetykins]

I refuse to believe that that was really Teagan. My head canon is that was the DAI version of TW3's "Dudu" until the writers gives me a chewable explanation of why Teagan is acting that way. Specially towards the Grey Wardens, and specially if Alistair and Cousland are the reigning monarchs.

[Eelectrica]

I see Teagan's point, but whoever wrote Teagan needed to replay those sequences in Origin's.

Gotta think it was a different writer, or its been so long since writing his character, the author forgot how. His attack on the Wardens didn't make much sence.

 

The wardens aren't perfect and are supposed to stay neutral, but I think the Inquisition is supposed to stay neutral as well. My Inquisitors will not be puppets to any faction.

[Lady Artifice]

I'm not sure, isn't it possible his aggression is a sign of how stressed out he is at having a foreign organization running troops around his province without his permission? I felt his position made a lot of sense, so I can understand him being more angry about it than normal. But I haven't played anything with old TEEAAGAAN Tegan in it in ages.

I agree, and I haven't the slightest objection to his position, just his complete personality overhaul. I actually think he's right. But his attitude doesn't just seem aggressive, it seems almost panicked. Teagan was cool, level headed, always reasonable. I could maybe wave it away as character development over a long period of time between each game, but it still feels like he was down graded to a standard obstructive bureaucrat.

[movieguyabw]

Well, we are quite possibly the largest standing military force in the known world; and we have been parked practically right on his doorstep for the past 2 years.  Face it, if the Inquisitor ever decided to wage war with Ferelden, Redcliffe would likely be their first stop... and they would have practically no warning.  I could understand why they'd be so stressed.

[Gileadan]

True, but given how relatively calm the man remained while being besieged and raided by swarms of undead, his reaction to the Inquisition's presence seems a bit extreme. Maybe the years weren't kind to him. I got the impression that he was a nervous wreck.

[Lady Artifice]

Right, and why bother, in that case? If you need a character to be freaked out about the Inquisition on his doorstep, okay fine, make one. But why fundamentally alter Teagan's personality to do so? And yeah...I do get that the Teagan of Trespasser is under an entirely different kind of stress than the sort the Teagan of Origins was under in Redcliffe, and that he might see in the Inquisition a looming menace that is actually collecting more and more power in power in his country even while it ends up more an more under Orlesian influence, which any Ferelden should logically be worried by. 

 

Okay, then, so make him a little pushy, make him worried, but it's not just that. It also seems like they didn't make it clear to the voice actor that he wasn't performing as Roderick again, and they didn't seem to go to any pains to make him look much like Teagan either. 

 

Here's the part that gets to me: Extenuating circumstances can account for his being stressed about this, but Teagan is the one that Fereldan sent to Orlais as Ambassador. It didn't last long admittedly, but it wasn't for lack of him trying diplomacy. His being stressed is one thing. His entirely forgetting that beating down doors and hurling accusations all over the place is not actually the way to get people to want to listen to you, is another thing entirely. 

[Gileadan]

I think the whole setup followed some inofficial rule of feels. A new, unknown character would have had less of an impact on players. So they picked someone people might know from DAO and gave him a rather off-putting reaction to the situation in an attempt to make the players go "Et tu, Teagan?". Works so much better than having either a new guy or giving Teagan a more diplomatic approach... because especially in the latter case, there'd be less agonizing about the final decision. After what you heard from Solas, having a sympathetic, popular (if minor) character suggest the disbanding fo the Inquisition would make the whole thing look like a no-brainer.

 

I found the entire situation somewhat unreal. War and occupation seem to happen on a regular basis and the nations involved generally just go for it when it's time to bloody their neighbor's nose. But as soon as a neutral force shows up, BOOM, Exalted Council! With the chairwoman herself being a (former) member of the neutral force in question. Heh.

[Felya87]

I was quite surprised/annoyed mostly by Teagan's attack on the Wardens. Really, my Tabris plus Alistair are gonna give him some very strong colourful words, plus a few slap in the head (so maybe he will loose that idiotic hat).

In DAO he was so all "thanks the Maker for the Warders" and now...that?!? I can see he using it as an excuse to make his point right, but the Wardens had saved his sorry behind and the entire Ferelden a few years back. I could have seen that kind of words from an Orlesian, with how bad had fallen the Orlesian order in Inquisition, but not the Fereldian representative, and expecially not Teagan.

 

Otherwise, I could understand why he isn't happy with the Inquistion still in Fereldian lands and with its connection to Orlais.

[HannahRose]

I was quite surprised/annoyed mostly by Teagan's attack on the Wardens. Really, my Tabris plus Alistair are gonna give him some very strong colourful words, plus a few slap in the head (so maybe he will loose that idiotic hat).

In DAO he was so all "thanks the Maker for the Warders" and now...that?!? I can see he using it as an excuse to make his point right, but the Wardens had saved his sorry behind and the entire Ferelden a few years back. I could have seen that kind of words from an Orlesian, with how bad had fallen the Orlesian order in Inquisition, but not the Fereldian representative, and expecially not Teagan.

 

Otherwise, I could understand why he isn't happy with the Inquistion still in Fereldian lands and with its connection to Orlais.

^ This. I could understand him being aggressive toward the Inquisition in general. And even his abrasive attitude didn't seem at all out of character to me given his habit of being outspoken and passionate, especially in tense situations (calling Loghain out in front of the entire Ferelden court anyone?), but his snipe at the wardens seemed completely out of character. Or well, it seemed out of character if the Warden and Alistair helped defend Redcliffe.

 

Maybe that's where it's coming from though. I mean there are definitely at least a few bugs in the DLC, including one that puts Gaspard on the Orlesian throne no matter what, even if you executed him, so maybe there's also a bug that's messing with the keep data, and Trespasser thinks that the Warden never helped Redcliffe. At least I hope this is the case anyway, I'd be disappointed to find out that they just phoned it in and someone decided to make Teagan hate the wardens regardless. :l

[Zaalbar]

I'm just worried for Teagan's mental state given that he some how believes a very much dead Gaspard is sittng on the Throne of Orlais.

 

What is it with Teagan and undead people?

[PorcelynDoll]

My first reaction was "what happened to my precious Teagan?" He harps on the wardens but in my Origin world state he was enamored with the Warden and she is his niece-in-law, not mention the King, his nephew is also a warden. I just don't get it.

[naarbeckie]

My first reaction was "what happened to my precious Teagan?" He harps on the wardens but in my Origin world state he was enamored with the Warden and she is his niece-in-law, not mention the King, his nephew is also a warden. I just don't get it.

 

Exactly! I had the same reaction. When I saw that the Teagan was the Ferelden ambassador I got super excited, but as soon as he started talking that was over. He wasn't even the same person! I am sorely disappointed in the writers for ruining one of my favorite characters from Origins. Hopefully if he makes another comeback in the next game they rectify the mistake and return him to being the calm, kind, lovable fellow we all know and love. 

[In Exile]

Not by making him oppose the Inquisition and distrust the Inquisitor, that's entirely fine. They ruined him by making him so bombastic and aggressive about it. Arl Teagan Guerrin of Dragon Age: Origins is a patient, kind, deliberative person with the most courtly manners of any Ferelden the series ever shows. He was thoughtful and diplomatic. Whoever this person is supposed to be, he seems more like Chancellor Roderick 2.0, and if that's what they felt they needed for this DLC they could have created a new character instead of ruining one of the most enduring likable established characters. 

 

...end rant. 

 

Teagan is explosive - do you remember how he reacted to Loghain? He called him out in front of the entire Landsmeet and basically accused him of murdering Cailan, which was one of the major impetuses behind the Fereldan civil war. He was nice to the Warden, but that's really different. 

[In Exile]

And the idea that Teagan would care about the Warden order doesn't make sense, because he never deals with them as a whole. The GWs - as an order - do jack all to save Ferelden during the blight. Apart dying in quick sucession at Ostagar, their contribution to ending the blight is exactly 0. The only Warden who makes any meaningful contribution at all is Riordan, and calling it a contribution is a bit of a stretch. Otherwise, we have the Hero of Ferelden - who is a Warden in nothing but name - and Alistiar, who's been a member of the order for less than year. 

 

Not to mention that people completely missed the point of what Teagan said. He's not really saying the Wardens are awful - he's saying that the Inquisition's purported neutrality is meaningless, because they could throw it aside at any moment (the Grey Wardens being an example). That he can score some points with what you did at Adamant is just political theatre - the same kind of theatre that, as I said above, he uses against Loghain. 

 

He's the same character - he just doesn't like the Inquisitor or the Inquisition, so we get to see the same unreasonable, rhetorical hot-head that Loghain saw at the Landsmeet after Ostagar. 

[GoldenGail3]

And the idea that Teagan would care about the Warden order doesn't make sense, because he never deals with them as a whole. The GWs - as an order - do jack all to save Ferelden during the blight. Apart dying in quick sucession at Ostagar, their contribution to ending the blight is exactly 0. The only Warden who makes any meaningful contribution at all is Riordan, and calling it a contribution is a bit of a stretch. Otherwise, we have the Hero of Ferelden - who is a Warden in nothing but name - and Alistiar, who's been a member of the order for less than year. 

 

Not to mention that people completely missed the point of what Teagan said. He's not really saying the Wardens are awful - he's saying that the Inquisition's purported neutrality is meaningless, because they could throw it aside at any moment (the Grey Wardens being an example). That he can score some points with what you did at Adamant is just political theatre - the same kind of theatre that, as I said above, he uses against Loghain. 

 

He's the same character - he just doesn't like the Inquisitor or the Inquisition, so we get to see the same unreasonable, rhetorical hot-head that Loghain saw at the Landsmeet after Ostagar. 

 

We saved Redcliffe... for the THIRD TIME! I don't want to save Redcliffe anymore, it's tiresome business. And Alistair/Queen Cousland are my Canon... He shouldn't talk smack about his own rulers whom saved his Arling twice (and they have a statue in Redcliffe too!) 

[Lady Artifice]

Teagan is explosive - do you remember how he reacted to Loghain? He called him out in front of the entire Landsmeet and basically accused him of murdering Cailan, which was one of the major impetuses behind the Fereldan civil war. He was nice to the Warden, but that's really different. 

 

We saw that explosiveness when he was standing in front of a Ferelden court, where the pretense and being straightforward will be appreciated, even if someone is actually being manipulative. Meanwhile in the Masked Empire, we saw him hold his tongue and keep a relatively cool head in the face of a pompous Orlesian Duke who was deliberately trying to bait to him. 

 

I don't think comparing Teagan's reaction with Loghain to his reaction with the Inquisition is very practical. He isn't convinced that the Inquisition murdered his king and nephew, or is actively trying to usurp the Ferelden throne. 

[sylvanaerie]

Oh, man I really wanted to play Trespasser, but this thread just killed that desire.   Teagan is my favorite NPC.  Bad enough they didn't care enough with this beautiful character generator to make him look anything like himself (he looks like a Rendon Howe clone), but now to find out he's suffered from a massive personality transplant...*sigh*...

 

The tone of his letters on the warmission table were more in line with his personality (caring and passionate about the people under his protection).  Going to go into this on the assumption that 2 years of having the Inquisition camped in 'his back yard' and the pressures of the politics he hates will have gotten the better of the Arl, and he's having a bad day.

 

As someone in the Alistair thread pointed out: Teagan's been "Frostbitten".

[Lady Artifice]

Oh, man I really wanted to play Trespasser, but this thread just killed that desire.   Teagan is my favorite NPC.  Bad enough they didn't care enough with this beautiful character generator to make him look anything like himself (he looks like a Rendon Howe clone), but now to find out he's suffered from a massive personality transplant...*sigh*...

 

The tone of his letters on the warmission table were more in line with his personality (caring and passionate about the underdog).  Going to go into this on the assumption that 2 years of having the Inquisition camped in 'his back yard' and the pressures of the politics he hates will have gotten the better of the Arl, and he's having a bad day.

 

Teagan's been "Frostbitten".

 

The rest of the DLC is really worth it though. I didn't like everything about Inquisition, but I think that was a really good wrap up.

[sylvanaerie]

The rest of the DLC is really worth it though. I didn't like everything about Inquisition, but I think that was a really good wrap up.

 

At least they didn't kill him or make him the antagonistic focus of the story.  It's a genuine wrap up (my youngest plays Dragon age too, and I saw the ending).  Teagan seems more like a narrative tool to drive home some plot points to the player.  I just wish they had remembered his characterization better.  He's a helluva lot more charming/diplomatic than this.

 

And OMFG get him a face covering Orlesian mask because....DAAAAYUM! 

[Akrabra]

Oh, man I really wanted to play Trespasser, but this thread just killed that desire.   Teagan is my favorite NPC.  Bad enough they didn't care enough with this beautiful character generator to make him look anything like himself (he looks like a Rendon Howe clone), but now to find out he's suffered from a massive personality transplant...*sigh*...

 

The tone of his letters on the warmission table were more in line with his personality (caring and passionate about the people under his protection).  Going to go into this on the assumption that 2 years of having the Inquisition camped in 'his back yard' and the pressures of the politics he hates will have gotten the better of the Arl, and he's having a bad day.

 

As someone in the Alistair thread pointed out: Teagan's been "Frostbitten".

Its just 5 minutes you have to smack your head into your desk repeatedly and then its over. The rest of the DLC is so amazing that it made me forgive what they did to Teagan. 

[In Exile]

We saved Redcliffe... for the THIRD TIME! I don't want to save Redcliffe anymore, it's tiresome business. And Alistair/Queen Cousland are my Canon... He shouldn't talk smack about his own rulers whom saved his Arling twice (and they have a statue in Redcliffe too!)

The Hero of Ferelden (and maybe Alistair) maybe saved Redcliffe. He doesn't talk smack about them. He talks smack about an order they had to straight up abandon to rule Ferelden. I'm not sure what's so difficult about this idea to get. Liking the HOF =/= loving the Grey Warden order.

[In Exile]

We saw that explosiveness when he was standing in front of a Ferelden court, where the pretense and being straightforward will be appreciated, even if someone is actually being manipulative. Meanwhile in the Masked Empire, we saw him hold his tongue and keep a relatively cool head in the face of a pompous Orlesian Duke who was deliberately trying to bait to him.

I don't think comparing Teagan's reaction with Loghain to his reaction with the Inquisition is very practical. He isn't convinced that the Inquisition murdered his king and nephew, or is actively trying to usurp the Ferelden throne.

He's absolutely convinced you're trying to undermine and usurp the Ferelden throne. That's literally his entire argument: the paramilitary organisation on his border that set up to end the Breach is continuing to operate with impunity in absence of a breach, having conquered sovereign Fereldan territory and having set up military bases (e.g. Caer Bronach).

He's making a political show of it because he's grandstanding for an audience: Orlais and the Divine. His job is to say that Ferelden wants the Inquisitor and Inquisition out.