Doesn't like Cassandra, Cass, arguably the best companion in the game but loves Cullen. Yeeesh, really need a dislike button on these forums. Sera was fine also, provided many lols.
Sorry if it was not clear but the emoticons represent they're personalities/general attitude. Cassandra is grumpy/angry (unless you romance her), and Cullen got the kissy face because "Curly? They just keep him around to look pretty". I also happen to adore Cassandra just so you know 
Yeah sure, let's spread things as thin as possible.
Quantity > Quality
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Remember the good ol' days when there were around 3 romances in a game, and they were....you know....great?
I don't really give a crap how many or how few romances there are.
Just make them all mature relationships and it is all good.
Yeah sure, let's spread things as thin as possible.
Quantity > Quality
.......
Remember the good ol' days when there were around 3 romances in a game, and they were....you know....great?
I can't help but give Blackwall a pass on that one, because dude is kinda wracked by guilt. If he was just some honorable knight or an actual Grey Warden, rather than a lying imposter whose only goal in life now is to redeem himself, it'd probably be a much different dynamic.
I think Cullen might also be partially guilty of it as well
Yeah sure, let's spread things as thin as possible.
Quantity > Quality
.......
Remember the good ol' days when there were around 3 romances in a game, and they were....you know....great?
Not particularly. I mean, I thought Bastila was handled pretty well in KotOR, but even back then the "romances" were more slight extras added on to conversations you could normally have with those same characters anyway.
Yeah sure, let's spread things as thin as possible.
Quantity > Quality
.......
Remember the good ol' days when there were around 3 romances in a game, and they were....you know....great?
I remember ME1.. and none of the romances were great there, especially option-wise. To me it seems like quantity also brings quality in terms of BW ^^
Sorry if it was not clear but the emoticons represent they're personalities/general attitude. Cassandra is grumpy/angry (unless you romance her), and Cullen got the kissy face because "Curly? They just keep him around to look pretty". I also happen to adore Cassandra just so you know
Not particularly. I mean, I thought Bastila was handled pretty well in KotOR, but even back then the "romances" were more slight extras added on to conversations you could normally have with those same characters anyway.
Exactly. People seem to fall back on these memory biases all the time. "Ah the good old days when the romances were all good....." despite the fact that people have been complaining about romances since BG2 (Anomen, anyone?).
Assuming that they've been working on this game in some capacity since 2012, and that they've got another year at least before release, eight doesn't sound entirely unfeasible. If the leak is to be believed we'll only have seven companions, but ME3 and DAI show that non-companion LI's are an option they're fully comfortable in utilizing.
Still, I think six is probably a better number.
Exactly. People seem to fall back on these memory biases all the time. "Ah the good old days when the romances were all good....." despite the fact that people have been complaining about romances since BG2 (Anomen, anyone?).
Okay no...that's BS.
Revan and Bastila's romance was well written in KotoR. It wasn't just treated as an "extra", it was an important plot point to the story because Revan's love for Bastila saved her from the dark side. Sure it's possible to save her with romancing her, but there's a reason why Revan and Bastila were a couple in canon. When Bastila turned to the dark side, it made the final mission of the game more epic and emotional, because not only was I confronting the big bad, but I was also trying to save her.
I remember ME1.. and none of the romances were great there, especially option-wise. To me it seems like quantity also brings quality in terms of BW ^^
See to you it's all about having as many options as possible. To you it's all about variety. I'm not saying that's wrong, but you seem to have a different mindset on how romances should be handled. I loved ME1's romances because the whole thing with Flirt, Flirt, Flirt, Initiate Romance, Flirt, Sex, was still new at the time. Not to mention I thought they were good characters. DA:O's romances were definitely better written, but still this was back in 2007. Now it's 2014, and we're still using the same formula and it's all about filling in a quota now.
How many times do you see people create threads asking for this romance or that romance. People want more lesbian romances and more female romances, and so on so forth. It's not about crafting a well written love story anymore, it's all about fulfilling people's dating fantasies with fictional characters. The only romance in DA:I I would call "great" was Solas, because it was something that actually pulled at your heartstrings. Oh sure dating Cassandra was a treat, but it didn't make fill me with emotions, it didn't have any impact on the story.
There should be a ME game where every NPC is romancable but no matter what you did during character creation everybody things of you as a platonic friend cause your character is perceived as butt ugly.
Okay no...that's BS.
Revan and Bastila's romance was well written in KotoR. It wasn't just treated as an "extra", it was an important plot point to the story because Revan's love for Bastila saved her from the dark side. Sure it's possible to save her with romancing her, but there's a reason why Revan and Bastila were a couple in canon. When Bastila turned to the dark side, it made the final mission of the game more epic and emotional, because not only was I confronting the big bad, but I was also trying to save her.
Yet, you continue to mention ONE really great romance in that game. Your original statement was that "back in the day", "there were about 3 romances" per game and they were "you know.....great". Okay, well Bastila's romance was great. What about Juhani? What about Anomen in BG2? What about Sky in JE? There have always been stronger romances in games. I agree that I'd like to see less romances because more leads to more substandard ones. But, it's totally disingenuous to try to make it seem like the romances were all stronger when there were less romances. Either you didn't play all of those romances or you are using revisionist history.
See to you it's all about having as many options as possible. To you it's all about variety. I'm not saying that's wrong, but you seem to have a different mindset on how romances should be handled.
I think Panda would say she wants variety as well as quality. The two do not have to be mutually exclusive.
Plus I wonder how many would say variety is unimportant... if the only options available were a gay man and a straight man. Hmm.
Most likely wouldn't react any different if there were zero romances in the game: shrug and sort out the game's main story line with full side content OCD set to "enabled".
For me, ME1 romances were ok, but maybe even more so because it was the first time I've seen something like that. But when I replayed it later, the dialogue was a bit awkward and moved very fast. I mean, I felt like I had to push both Liara and Kaidan the fk away, because they started arguing about Shepard like they own her, even though I thought I was just being nice (definitely not trying to be flirty, because I thought it tacky for a boss to come on to her crew). And COME ON, the tacky "I could never lose you! *swoon*" in front of the whole crew after Virmire decision?? You're an *******, Shep.
Imo, ME2 romances were a bit campy ("I want you Thane." "I'm more interested in just *cough*TALKING~~wink~winkwink~ for a bit.") & they've really dropped the ball on some of them in ME3. I thought ME3 in general was ok, but to get the most complete experience, you'd have to romance (and like) Liara (which I did, so yay for me), she definitely gets the most content (largely due to Shadow Broker, because it ties all the parts in the series nicely).
In conclusion, I think ME did better with each new part in the series, but the one thing that ruined ME3 romances for me was that dreadful autodialogue, when you can't see the character you're talking to, so it lost something in immersion. (also, more choices in dialogue trees would be nice, like proper separate paragon and renegade routes to romance someone, as with Kaidan).
I never played Baldur's Gate, Knights of the Old Republic, or Jade Empire. So honestly, I can't speak too much on their content.
I didn't play ME1 until after ME2&3, and I have to say I found the romances in ME1 lacking. That might be because I had already formed negative opinions on Ashley, Kaiden, and Liara, but that isn't all of it. I found their voice acting - especially Liara's - to be very dull and lacking, and the whole experience to be boring compared to the scenes in ME2 that I think were handled much better.
I try not to pick on that too much, though. I don't think the number of romances has anything to do with it. Was just Bioware moving away from an outdated formula and moving to something more cinematic and organic.
I was interested in the KOTOR companions as characters and liked them very much but I had no interest in them as romanceable options though that I think is personal and not down to them being bad romances.
I was a bit unfair towards Carth Onasi but that was mostly because the sequel locked my previous character into a romance with him regardless of whether or not I had initiated the romance and that is something I do not like.
It did even out because it came across like Carth was in horrible denial which was so much more humorous than it should have been to me: Carth, if she ran off to unknown space with all of her worldly possession including her two droids and with another man while leaving you no means to contact her, chances are she is just not interested in you and you should probably consider moving on with your life.
What made it even more amusing to me was that I had jokingly thought of that very scenario in the ending of the first game: it was like the second game was making it canon.
For some reason I always seem to be interested in romancing the non-romanceable characters when it comes to the Old Republic single-player series: Canderous and Bao-Dur respectively.
See to you it's all about having as many options as possible. To you it's all about variety. I'm not saying that's wrong, but you seem to have a different mindset on how romances should be handled. I loved ME1's romances because the whole thing with Flirt, Flirt, Flirt, Initiate Romance, Flirt, Sex, was still new at the time. Not to mention I thought they were good characters. DA:O's romances were definitely better written, but still this was back in 2007. Now it's 2014, and we're still using the same formula and it's all about filling in a quota now.
How many times do you see people create threads asking for this romance or that romance. People want more lesbian romances and more female romances, and so on so forth. It's not about crafting a well written love story anymore, it's all about fulfilling people's dating fantasies with fictional characters. The only romance in DA:I I would call "great" was Solas, because it was something that actually pulled at your heartstrings. Oh sure dating Cassandra was a treat, but it didn't make fill me with emotions, it didn't have any impact on the story.
I do like to have variety and I like to have multiple options. Cause if I think about ME1 romances, I do not see any character I would be that interested in romancing. When you add numbers there is usually more and more I want to romance and are interesting to me. If I think game to game in ME1 I wasn't that interested in anyone, in ME2 there was Garrus and Thane and in ME3 Garrus. DA side little better with Zevran, then Fenris, Merrill and Isabela and DAI with Cullen, Dorian, Solas and Cassandra (I haven't yet romances all in the list though, but these are who interest me and I want to romance).
However I don't think there is need for sacrifice quality, since I think Bioware has maybe put more resources than before to romances so they have stayed quite great. I'd say that DAI in general has better romances than DAO, romance scenes are lot better than akward underwear scenes of DAO and so on. DAI has multiple different romance scenes that are unique to LI as well unlike DAO, DAO's strenght for romances is mostly in dialogue.
I think Panda would say she wants variety as well as quality. The two do not have to be mutually exclusive.
Plus I wonder how many would say variety is unimportant... if the only options available were a gay man and a straight man. Hmm.
Yes, although I think my view on quality romances might be different than some others ^^ In general I think variety does bring quality.
I have never been a massive fan of 'everyone is bisexual', as I agree a characters sexuality can be an important plot point and it can led to thinner stories, but I have come around to it as a device simply to stop the endless whining.
I've never had a problem with the "everyone is bi" option because I happen to be friends with quite a few bisexual people, so it's never seemed weird to me.
I've never had a problem with the "everyone is bi" option because I happen to be friends with quite a few bisexual people, so it's never seemed weird to me.
Also if THAT is the thing that kills the "realism" of the game for you then I think you might be missing a few other things going on in said fantasy or science fiction game 
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