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[CuriousArtemis]

However I don't think there is need for sacrifice quality, since I think Bioware has maybe put more resources than before to romances so they have stayed quite great. I'd say that DAI in general has better romances than DAO, romance scenes are lot better than akward underwear scenes of DAO and so on. DAI has multiple different romance scenes that are unique to LI as well unlike DAO, DAO's strenght for romances is mostly in dialogue.

 

Well, in terms of character development, even disregarding romances... DAI did have problems imo. The cast of characters was just too large... Blackwall and Vivienne are probably the least developed, followed by Josie, Sera, Bull, maybe Dorian. Solas and Cass probably ended up fairing the best in terms of character development. 

 

Personally I would've nixed Cole, Bull, and Vivienne. Expand on Blackwall's character since the Wardens play a significant part in the narrative. Do more with Sera beyond her merely TALKING about helping the "little people" and being a Red Jenny (one meager head-stomping cut scene doesn't cut in). Give Dorian more than just the "I'm gay and my dad hates me for it" story line. He's a mage from frigging Tevinter for crying out loud! Such a wasted opportunity. I think I learned more about Tevinter from Fenris and his story line. 

[Nayawk]

I've never had a problem with the "everyone is bi" option because I happen to be friends with quite a few bisexual people, so it's never seemed weird to me.

 

I am bisexual and its a bit weird to me.  My main complaint is story based, if everyone is bisexual then could it shuts doors on potentially interesting storylines.  Dorian as a bisexual in DAI would have completely changed his family backstory and his motivations.  Steve in ME3 on the other hand you could easily swap out wife instead of husband and the story didn't change. 

 

But like I said, I have come around to the idea.

[Former_Fiend]

I will say that if they stick to six, then going with two straight, two gay, and two bi would be ideal.

 

I wouldn't want them to go back to all the LI's being bi  unless we're reduced to four LI's again, because everyone should have an option.

[Panda]

Well, in terms of character development, even disregarding romances... DAI did have problems imo. The cast of characters was just too large... Blackwall and Vivienne are probably the least developed, followed by Josie, Sera, Bull, maybe Dorian. Solas and Cass probably ended up fairing the best in terms of character development. 

 

Personally I would've nixed Cole, Bull, and Vivienne. Expand on Blackwall's character since the Wardens play a significant part in the narrative. Do more with Sera beyond her merely TALKING about helping the "little people" and being a Red Jenny (one meager head-stomping cut scene doesn't cut in). Give Dorian more than just the "I'm gay and my dad hates me for it" story line. He's a mage from frigging Tevinter for crying out loud! Such a wasted opportunity. I think I learned more about Tevinter from Fenris and his story line. 

 

I do not agree, I found Bull's character being one of most interesting in the cast, absolutely adore him and liked Vivienne and her perspective as well. I also found Dorian being fine and him being more than gay and his backstory, though he has more moments when you choose to go with mage route. There is the conflict between good and bad Tevinter that he has to deal with after all and his view is more multi-dimensional than Fenris one-sided view on Tevinter.

 

It's just that these three are all my favs from the cast so I just can't agree ^^ I wouldn't mind ditching Blackwall and Sera though. Cole is kinda oddball for me, I liked him more in Asunder than in the game.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

It was sarcasm, I thought the straight white male was enemy no1 in the SJW camp?

Yeah, it is getting old. A dev complained about toxic bsn a while ago. I checked his twitter and found he retweeted a tweet that basically accused 'white men' of expecting women to accept the blame for a specific horifficly violent assault.

My phone lacks a facepalm emote.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I am bisexual and its a bit weird to me. My main complaint is story based, if everyone is bisexual then could it shuts doors on potentially interesting storylines. Dorian as a bisexual in DAI would have completely changed his family backstory and his motivations. Steve in ME3 on the other hand you could easily swap out wife instead of husband and the story didn't change.

But like I said, I have come around to the idea.

Yeah for me it's not that it's unrealistic,it's the stunted storylines we got as a result in DA2.

[Former_Fiend]

Eh, I don't see how the DA2 romances could have been improved on in any way by making them gender exclusive. I don't think those stories would have been any different, beyond them having a bit of dialogue shutting down the gender they weren't interested in.

[Lady Artifice]

Well, in terms of character development, even disregarding romances... DAI did have problems imo. The cast of characters was just too large... Blackwall and Vivienne are probably the least developed, followed by Josie, Sera, Bull, maybe Dorian. Solas and Cass probably ended up fairing the best in terms of character development. 

 

Personally I would've nixed Cole, Bull, and Vivienne. Expand on Blackwall's character since the Wardens play a significant part in the narrative. Do more with Sera beyond her merely TALKING about helping the "little people" and being a Red Jenny (one meager head-stomping cut scene doesn't cut in). Give Dorian more than just the "I'm gay and my dad hates me for it" story line. He's a mage from frigging Tevinter for crying out loud! Such a wasted opportunity. I think I learned more about Tevinter from Fenris and his story line. 

 

Alright, what opportunity do you think was wasted with Dorian? What aspects would his story arc have needed for it to be validated as worthwhile in your eyes? 

[Lady Artifice]

I am bisexual and its a bit weird to me.  My main complaint is story based, if everyone is bisexual then could it shuts doors on potentially interesting storylines.  Dorian as a bisexual in DAI would have completely changed his family backstory and his motivations.  Steve in ME3 on the other hand you could easily swap out wife instead of husband and the story didn't change. 

 

But like I said, I have come around to the idea.

 

I'm genuinely surprised to hear this. I've been arguing for a while that four bisexuals in a social group of seven people is much more believable statistically than people often make it out to be, for a number of reasons, but you found it odd? 

[Fixers0]

I've been arguing for a while that four bisexuals in a social group of seven people is much more believable statistically than people often make it out to be,

 

Lol, no.

[Lady Artifice]

Lol, no.

 

Lol, yes. People having a common sexual orientation between them makes them more likely to socially gravitate towards one another, not less. Just like people having a common race or religion makes it more likely, even outside of organized groups designed to attract them. Despite what television and film presents as a norm, with their strategically diverse groups, we're drawn towards people we feel understood by much more often than not. 

 

The most improbable thing about Hawke's group isn't that four out of seven of them have a sexual orientation in common, it's that each of them are so different. If we want to nitpick about the plausibility there, I'd suggest we start with the raider pirate captain and the captain of the guard or the chantry choir boy and the heathen dalish mage willingly interacting. 

[Former_Fiend]

Lol, yes. People having a common sexual orientation between them makes them more likely to socially gravitate towards one another, not less. Just like people having a common race or religion makes it more likely, even outside of organized groups designed to attract them. Despite what television and film presents as a norm, with their strategically diverse groups, we're drawn towards people we feel understood by much more often than not. 

 

The most improbable thing about Hawke's group isn't that four out of seven of them have a sexual orientation in common, it's that each of them are so different. If we want to nitpick about the plausibility there, I'd suggest we start with the raider pirate captain and the captain of the guard or the chantry choir boy and the heathen dalish mage willingly interacting. 

 

Or really, just anyone but Varric tolerating Anders after a while.

 

But I digress.

[Panda]

I'm okay with all bisexual approach, but I'd rather want them to be bisexuals then rather than playersexuals. DA2's approach was nice, but I'd have preferred if Anders would have told about Karl and his intimate relationship to female Hawke as well, because without it at least I concluded that he must be into boys only if you play male Hawke, which later on wasn't true, but it was first impression I got. 

 

Also if there is tons of romanceable characters and all are bisexual/playersexual it makes immersion lack a bit. DA2 was fine, cause it had 4 characters that were bisexual, that's okay, but then Saint Row 4 has 8 romances (Ben King seems to be counted, no idea why since the romance is bit.. non romantic?) and everyone available for both sexes. Though there is Pierce who claims that he's down to have some sex although he doesn't normalry swing your way.. but he says this to both male and female Boss so idk what way he's supposed to swing ^^; And Skyrim and Sims are good examples as well, I think everyone not being bisexual (or playersexual) would have made characters feel more immersive and alive.

 

I guess what I'm getting at that I'm fine with all bisexuals, but I'd like these characters still, hmm have that sexuality and that it'd be visible in some way? Like previous romances, commenting about your gender and so on. I'm not saying that all characters need to show that they are bisexual by commenting about being into both genders, but in general I think it would be something that would lessen the feel of playersexuality and make these characters really feel more immersive.

 

EDIT: Well, I consulted Saint Row wiki and it says that these romance options in Saint Row 4 aren't bisexual, they in fact are playersexual and player's gender decides their sexuality. "The Romance options allow the person playing the game to choose the sexuality of their character.

• Pierce's sexual orientation is determined on The Protagonist's gender, due to him stating he "doesn't swing that way" to both a male and female character. While this can be said for all characters, only Pierce mentions it."

No wonder it felt bit weird.

 

Also found this in the trivia that was about ME!: This can be seen as a parody of the Mass Effect series, particularly the second one: the main character can pursue a romance with other members of their team, but only after their loyalty mission. However, there is no negative backlash from pursing multiple characters.

• The Protagonist's line "It's been a hell of a ride" is a reference to Shepard's line at the end of the Mass Effect 3 add-on, Citadel.

[Mathias]

Yet, you continue to mention ONE really great romance in that game.  Your original statement was that "back in the day", "there were about 3 romances" per game and they were "you know.....great".  Okay, well Bastila's romance was great.  What about Juhani?  What about Anomen in BG2?  What about Sky in JE?  There have always been stronger romances in games.  I agree that I'd like to see less romances because more leads to more substandard ones.  But, it's totally disingenuous to try to make it seem like the romances were all stronger when there were less romances.  Either you didn't play all of those romances or you are using revisionist history.

 

Bastila, Liara, and all the DA:O romances save for Zevran have been the best it's ever gotten.

[rashie]

Id think 8 was far too many in the first place, drop companions down to 5 or 6 and possible romances to 2 or 3, and make em beefier and actually matter to the story instead.

[Former_Fiend]

Bastila, Liara, and all the DA:O romances save for Zevran have been the best it's ever gotten.

 

You can make a case for Liara over the course of the trilogy, but not taking ME1 on it's own.

[Il Divo]

You can make a case for Liara over the course of the trilogy, but not taking ME1 on it's own.

 

Yeah, Liara was definitely a low point in terms of romances, at least in ME1 terms.
 

[Jagaro]

http://www.christian...ming-up-144723/

"Like in the previous Mass Effect franchises, the main character of Mass Effect 4: Andromeda will still control his own ship, which is named the "Tempest." The ship will house seven people who each has their own loyalty missions, the report details."

How the hell did I miss that piece of info?

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Eh, I don't see how the DA2 romances could have been improved on in any way by making them gender exclusive. I don't think those stories would have been any different, beyond them having a bit of dialogue shutting down the gender they weren't interested in.

DAO had specific dialog for each romance,including the bi ones. DA2 had none in Regardsto the character being bi. It was spy a short cut to save time and money,probably.


Given more time and bigger budget they could have done better. Instead we got no mention at all of their preferences,plus a ME style talk 3 times and bam romance right before the final fight.

This was a problem with writing and game design,not that all love interests were bi.

[Nayawk]

I'm genuinely surprised to hear this. I've been arguing for a while that four bisexuals in a social group of seven people is much more believable statistically than people often make it out to be, for a number of reasons, but you found it odd? 

 

It hasn't been my personal experience, I can count on one hand the number of other Bi I have had in my social group - past and present.  As for common sexualities grouping together that is certainly true, but more so for those 'outside the norm', and given that bisexuals can 'pass' 50% of the time and the frequent hostility they face in those communities I don't think the majority of bi people would be drawn to clump together socially. 

 

Or I could just be getting out of touch and old given that I have been dating the same person for 20 years. 

[Malanek]

I wouldn't really care too much. I would raise an eyebrow, scratch my head and wonder what planet the devs were living on. But there are more important things to worry about.

[Former_Fiend]

DAO had specific dialog for each romance,including the bi ones. DA2 had none in Regardsto the character being bi. It was spy a short cut to save time and money,probably.


Given more time and bigger budget they could have done better. Instead we got no mention at all of their preferences,plus a ME style talk 3 times and bam romance right before the final fight.

This was a problem with writing and game design,not that all love interests were bi.

 

Here's the thing; I don't count having the dialogue "Well, I swing both ways, you cool with that?" to be an improvement.

 

I know for a fact that Anders, Isabela, and Merrill all have slightly different dialogue with a female Hawke than they do a male Hawke. Not sure about Fenris. So there's some variation. Fact that none of them, except Isabela, explicitly say they're bi, I don't count as a negative.

[BraveVesperia]

Personally, I'd be very happy with the 2/2/2 approach. Everyone gets two options, so there's always choice.

[PillarBiter]

As long as my hot chick romance is in there, I'm good.

 

Mysogenistic, yeah yeah, whatever.

[PsychicHammer]

Jesus. 

 

Throw out the parity arguments and write characters as writers want them written. If all romance options end up being for gay salarians but it makes sense within the game's narrative, that's fine by me. 

 

I think a much more important issue is having a companion in each class. ME2 had 13 to choose from but there was no Vanguard companion. I understand that maybe implementing Charge on an NPC would be challenging, but there was still a good variety there. DAI gvies the Inq 3 of each warriors, rogues and mages, each one with a different specialization. That makes sense to me.