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[Malanek]

Boo! Perfect is boring.

If they were boring, they wouldn't be perfect.

 

PARADOX!!!

[BioWareM0d13]

 

Is ugliness something I think should generally be left out of the heroic stories BioWare creates? It is. But it's the same for most human failings. I also don't think central characters should be weak, or whiny, or cowardly, or stupid, or trivial, or materialistic, or any number of things that are common in 'real' people. These are supposed to be heroic characters, enunciating the best of what a human can be.

 

Just out of curiosity, are you referring just to the protagonist and his or her companions? Or do you prefer that all NPCs also be attractive? 

[Kevinc62]

As long as we get some m/m love, I'll be happy 

But as whole, I think Bioware romance mechanics are kind of outdated. Don't get me wrong, I love it, but it's clearly just an after thought, so I wouldn't mind if a little more depth is added. Something like,

 

- Possibility to break up, and that afecting how loyal your crew is.

- The type of renegade/paragon decision (Does anyone know if this is gonna be on ME:A?) you made on the game's story affect how the romance flows. Doing a renage playtrough is hilarious since you're such and ass to the whole galaxy, but your LI still think the sun shines out of your ass.

- Casual or combat conversation acknowledges the relationship.

- Possibility to hook up crew members with other people. The already introduce this with Garrus/Tali and EDI/Joker, but it could be explored.

 

I know ME is not a dating simulator, but I think it could be something cool to have.

[Rappeldrache]

If they are well done, 8 is enough ....

 

I hope they make them like the romances with ... hmm Fenris, Isabela, Cassandra, Cullen or Dorian. Wonderful romances. They could make a few more bisexual romance options, so they don't have to make so many. In the Future the people are probebly more open-mindet.

[Toxicity]

'Only 8'. sh*t, 8 would be madness. Lol, hell when I played Mass Effect I had trouble deciding between just 2. 

So long as they aren't sloppy with the romance options they shouldn't even need to make 4. Then they can focus on the more important elements of the game.   

[Nonoru]

I would focus on other aspects of the game? 

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Here's the thing; I don't count having the dialogue "Well, I swing both ways, you cool with that?" to be an improvement.

I know for a fact that Anders, Isabela, and Merrill all have slightly different dialogue with a female Hawke than they do a male Hawke. Not sure about Fenris. So there's some variation. Fact that none of them, except Isabela, explicitly say they're bi, I don't count as a negative.

I agree. Having a silly strawman dialog would be worse. It could be more like a one passing comment. Not even as explicit as Isabela, especially for Fenris. Actually Fenris does, the slave master comments on how 'good' he is or something like that.

[Rhaenyss]

I agree. Having a silly strawman dialog would be worse. It could be more like a one passing comment. Not even as explicit as Isabela, especially for Fenris. Actually Fenris does, the slave master comments on how 'good' he is or something like that.

 

I think it was pretty good with Traynor. You don't get the stiff "I actually like women." dialogue, it all comes naturally through normal sentences. I'm not a big fan of making the sexuality of a character a big deal, because even LGBT people want just a normal, sweet romance without making it all about the big, gay struggle or whatever. It can be written well, but most of the time it just reeks of "look, a token character".

[Metalfros]

There better be more Human Straight romances, especially because I consider every new romance to be worth at least 1 playthrough.

[Former_Fiend]

I agree. Having a silly strawman dialog would be worse. It could be more like a one passing comment. Not even as explicit as Isabela, especially for Fenris. Actually Fenris does, the slave master comments on how 'good' he is or something like that.

 

 

Well, even then, that's not so much an indication of him being bi as it is an indication of him having been sexually abused. But, you know, whatever.

 

Anyway, my point is, if you have a situation where a character is monosexual and you have it to where you can make a pass at them as the gender they're not interested in and they can then turn you down, that's fine. That's a nice touch.

 

But when you have a situation where the character is bi, I don't really need a scenario like in DAO where Leliana and Zevran have to explain their sexuality as part of the romance arc. You can just start with the flirting, ok you're into the flirting, let's see where this goes without ever hitting that nail on the head, and it just feels fine.

 

And I don't think that limits them. There are only so many plots. Everything is just a variation on the details. And I don't think that a character's sexuality is a roadblock to most of those plots.

 

Traynor, Cortez, Sera; all of these character's romance arcs could have been written with them being straight or bi and it wouldn't change the plot that much. A character's sexuality is important to them, personally, but it isn't necessarily vital to the narrative. From a story telling stand point it's just a detail that can be switched out with another detail to serve that same function.

 

I mean, the only romance plot Bioware has done that critically hinges on the LI's sexuality is Dorian because his story is heavily influenced by the persecution he's suffered due to his sexuality, and him desperately wanting someone who accepts him and shouts it to the roof tops because he doesn't want to be hidden away. And even then, that same storyline could be written for a straight couple, you just switch out persecution due to sexuality with persecution due to racial difference or social class; the keystone there is that Dorian loves someone that his society tells him it isn't ok for him to love, and he wants validation. Switch those out and you wouldn't have the same story, but you'd have the same plot.

 

So, they can do any plot they want with any character regardless of that character's sexuality. From a narrative stand point, having monosexualities along side bisexuals offers you more diversity and representation in characters, but not necessarily in the stories you tell. Aside from that, the only boon is a sense of exclusivity which some players like and most don't care about from what I've seen.

 

And again, I don't think they should have all the LI's be bi - I don't like saying "have everyone be bi" because that was never the case. It's just "X number of people out of Y number of people that you're travelling with". But yeah, unless they go down to four romances again - which I don't imagine they will, but they could - I'd prefer the 2/2/2 approach.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Seriously why do you need so much romance options in a game?

[Rappeldrache]

Seriously why do you need so much romance options in a game?

 

Because Bioware is - at the moment - the ONLY RPG who take romances & companion romances for serious. And also make them really good. In a few years probably MORE game developer will realize this, bit late by the way.

 

I think the BEST romance ever was with the BEST character ever: Dorian (I never played the romance, because I had a female, but I seen it on YouTube). Incredible what they made with this character. This is REALLY Artwork, not just game developing.

 

(Yes, I know there is a mod to romance Dorian as female, but I don't like it to "force / chance" characters like this. Just my personal opinion, don't want to judge somebody.)

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I think it was pretty good with Traynor. You don't get the stiff "I actually like women." dialogue, it all comes naturally through normal sentences. I'm not a big fan of making the sexuality of a character a big deal, because even LGBT people want just a normal, sweet romance without making it all about the big, gay struggle or whatever. It can be written well, but most of the time it just reeks of "look, a token character".

I agree. Sera in DAI was like that too. I just want them to be well written, not stunted due to lack of time or resources.

@ Former_Fiend yes that's true about Fenris,but it's not a bad thing story wise to have some negative stuff in a characters past.

[Kevinc62]

I think it was pretty good with Traynor. You don't get the stiff "I actually like women." dialogue, it all comes naturally through normal sentences. I'm not a big fan of making the sexuality of a character a big deal, because even LGBT people want just a normal, sweet romance without making it all about the big, gay struggle or whatever. It can be written well, but most of the time it just reeks of "look, a token character".

 

This so much. The last thing I want is to have an LGBT character whining about the typical gay problems. **** that. Give me a well rounded character, I actually liked Cortez for that. His romance was creppy (Shep what are you doing? Dude just lost his hubby ) but his issue wasn't about being gay, but mourning. Sexuality is part of each person, but certainly not the biggest, nor the most important.

[ShadyKat]

But out of all those options only 2 of them were for straight males, one of them a Krogan woman, the other a human commonly mistaken for a Krogan woman, the rest are all reserved for gay men and straight women?

I have honestly asked for a female krogan as a LI. I would have romanced Eve/Bakara if she were an option in ME3. Loved her personality, and thought she was awesome.

[Dutch's Ghost]

Degenerate thread. This is the problem with Bioware games, too much focus on the crappy romances.

[dreamgazer]

Degenerate thread. This is the problem with Bioware games, too much focus on the crappy romances.

Mhm. I'm gonna take this opportunity to really agree with you on something. Who knows when the next time will be.

[BabyPuncher]

Just out of curiosity, are you referring just to the protagonist and his or her companions? Or do you prefer that all NPCs also be attractive? 

 

I would prefer it to be a noticeable trend for NPCs.

 

For the most central squadmates and the protagonist themselves, I want them attractive. Pretty much across the board.

[Former_Fiend]

Zaeed Massani would like to have a g'ddamn word with you.

[BabyPuncher]

On that topic, you'll note a considerable difference between ugliness in fiction and ugliness in real life.

 

Ugliness in real life is near invariably...softer, is the best word I can think of. Soft ugliness. Tired ugliness.

 

Ugliness in fiction is hard. It's got a charisma to it, wouldn't you say? Zaeed isn't a pretty boy, but he god damn does he make an impression the first time you meet him on Omega. And that voice of his goes a long way.

 

Anyway, he's not a central squadmate.