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[Jaron Oberyn]

Welp, don't know what to tell ya. I say second best because there are a few things they could have handled better. Not many though, can count them on one hand.

 

 I'm only kidding in case that wasn't evident.

[Salazah]

What happened with the ending of ME3 and DLC soon after has caused these movements of types where silly opinions like this op has posted that I personally just face palm. Nothing wrong with the OP personally.

The base game had an ending. JoH has an ending and so does The Decent. Trespasses has an ending. My point is that they all had endings whether its allowed you to continue playing afterwards or not.

The fact is OP, no one is forcing you to buy this "ending". (Also all the features you forgot to mention in this dlc)

I thought society in general has moved on with the whole "oh this product iss to expansive, my name is Mr Scrooge after all" attitude.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Society has actually been moving more towards entitlement. It's troubling to see, especially when it comes to trivial things such as entertainment.

[Beomer]

It's troubling to see, especially when it comes to trivial things such as entertainment.

 

According to teh webz that trivial industry generated nearly 480 billion USD in revenues in 2013 in the USA alone.

I'm not supporting the OP's stance that the DLC should have been free or included with the main game. But an increased sense of what you deserve as a consumer (or as the detractors like calling it every chance they get, 'entitlement') is as important as anything else now-a-days when pretty much every big publisher would do everything in their power to squeeze the last cent from the customer.

In fact I'd go as far as saying that even the people who actually act over entitled and spoiled have a part to play, because a bad cop is as important as the good cop in the routine.

[9TailsFox]

Society has actually been moving more towards entitlement. It's troubling to see, especially when it comes to trivial things such as entertainment.

I disagree with OP. But this is past time to be entitlement. Look at Batman on PC. Game company think they can give us unfinished shi.. like it's normal. We must ask game to be playable then we buy it. It's not trivial it cost 60 euros. I buy product and expect to be at least good. And trespasser was great I wish all DLC in the future continue story not be just filer, this is what I always wanted with DLC.

[TheRevanchist]

I disagree with OP. But this is past time to be entitlement. Look at Batman on PC. Game company think they can give us unfinished shi.. like it's normal. We must ask game to be playable then we buy it. It's not trivial it cost 60 euros. I buy product and expect to be at least good. And trespasser was great I wish all DLC in the future continue story not be just filer, this is what I always wanted with DLC.

 

Right, there is a time and place to make your voice heard. The PC release of Batman was absolute garbage. Totally unacceptable. But we cannot let shady things like that make us bitter about every single decision they make. Trespasser was excellent, no two ways about it, it could have been better, of course. But it has nothing to do with giving the game an Ending. It is an Epilogue, which always comes AFTER an ending. So as I said before. Bring on more Epilogue DLCs.

[Il Divo]

The original game lacked a proper ending. The last DLC should have been in the original game or at least be free for buyers of the game and not being sold for 15 Euros. Sucks in my opinion. I feel ripped of considering I paid 70 Euro for my digital deluxe edition on Origin.

 

Even if we put aside that the original game didn't have a proper ending (I'd argue it did), what do you think the end result would be of this scenario? Because as a game developer, if I took this argument seriously, I would simply stop making ending dlc and focus on other types which are considered acceptable to charge people for.

 

But still, this sort of argument pops up with all dlc. Any time something exciting is advertised, it's immediately argued it should be free: Javik, Lair of the Shadow Broker, new companions, etc.

[Rappeldrache]

First: I'm really NOT a Fan-girl, some people know that I have a few  points at DAI & Trespasser I'm really NOT happy about.   

 

NOT unpolite, but: You don't have to buy Trespasser! You can take the normal ending of DAI and be happy.

 

I think we got A LOT with DAI. SOOOO mutch story, so many characters, INCREDIBLE areas (SOOOOO huge with so mutch stuff init,I loved the areas a lot), a Skyhold, lot of dialogues There are lot of games who don't give you (for this money) HALF of the content Bioware gave to us,. However: If you like the game you will buy a good DLC and if you don't like it it don't bother you however.

 

 

Baldurs Gate was the same, by the way. I really don't care soo mutch about this Ending - DLC's. I think it's a great possibility to play the story further. I'm happy about every single "more DAI" I can get!

 

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[darkway1]

I was pretty disappointed with the Jaws DLC,just more of the same,the Deep Roads DLC didn't interest me after playing Jaws (so I did not buy it),again more of the same and having played previous Dragon Age games,the Deep Roads is kind of a.....been there,done that subject.

 

The selling point of Trespassers was the "two years later" pitch,which makes this DLC an epilogue and in my opinion is well worth the bucks,it changes the direction of the game world and sets up future Dragon Age games (if they make any more).A good example of what true DLC should be all about as it genuinely adds new content/context to the game.

[Qun00]

I thought the DLC was worth it.

And it was not really the ending of Inquisition - Inquisition was about the Breach etc., not specifically about Solas or Qunari. I guess I see Trespasser more as some sort of prologue to the next Dragon Age, setting that storyline up, rather than it being an ending/epilogue to Inquisition

Considering that this DLC determines whether the Inquisition will be disbanded or continue to exist, yes, it is the real ending.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Considering that this DLC determines whether the Inquisition will be disbanded or continue to exist, yes, it is the real ending.

 

If people don't want to buy it, though, they can just make that decision in the Keep before DA4 comes out.

[Al Foley]

You have to pay for the ending in books and TV shows, why not games?

[Knight of Dane]

Agree completely with the base argument here, we should not pay for plot patch work, ever.

 

 

That said, tresspasser was a great DLC in off itself I just have issue with the fact that both fans and developers felt it was needed, that suggests a flaw in the design and execution of the main game.

[Knight of Dane]

You have to pay for the ending in books and TV shows, why not games?

 

You can just not buy those either.

[TheRevanchist]

Agree completely with the base argument here, we should not pay for plot patch work, ever.

 

 

That said, tresspasser was a great DLC in off itself I just have issue with the fact that both fans and developers felt it was needed, that suggests a flaw in the design and execution of the main game.

 

The Devs didn't think it was "needed" It was an experiment, to see how it would be received. I would say the experiment succeeded.  

[Knight of Dane]

The Devs didn't think it was "needed" It was an experiment, to see how it would be received. I would say the experiment succeeded.  

 

It's dangerous practice, DLC is supposed to be additions not finals, is all I am saying. Especially for a game like DA:I where some people can't even get it.

 

I'm all for streching the plot through DLC, but this came close to a DA 3.1 rather than a DA 3 + "this thing"

[Asteriski]

Say what you want about the quality of Inquisition and how good the ending was, the fact remains that basically all of Trespasser's plot could have been left alone for another few years real-time and used as the prologue to DA4.

[prosthetic soul]

So much this. And clever signature.

.......

 

Anyone remember that episode of Doug when everyone suddenly started wearing the outfit he had on after that celebrity claimed he had made it trendy? 

 

I now know what Doug feels like.

 

Anywho, to remain on topic, I agree with the thread creator.  The Trespasser was a run ride I'll admit that.  It was overpriced, and certainly should have been in the base game, but I did have fun with it.  With that being said, the fact that we had to pay for an epilogue is not right.  And yes, we ARE entitled to the full story.  No ifs ands or buts about it. 

[llandwynwyn]

Why should Bioware's devs work for free for making an epilogue months after the game was released, with a valid end?

[prosthetic soul]

Why should Bioware's devs work for free for making an epilogue months after the game was released, with a valid end?

Maybe because they should have made it in the base game to begin with?   And it's called working out of pocket.  A show of support for your loyal consumers.  Kind of like what CDPR did. 

 

Consumers shouldn't have to keep showing their loyalty by continually paying for money after buying the game.   That's entitlement on the developer's end.  And for the love of God they're owned by EA.  I'm pretty sure they're not wanting for money. 

[Pokemario]

While it is true that this DLC took place 2 years after DAI's ending, it has nothing to do with The Elder One or the Breach, which were the focus of the main game.

Also, BioWare spent a considerable amount of time and resources to make this DLC happen, which were not included in the main game's budget. They don't work for free.

[TheRevanchist]

.......

 

Anyone remember that episode of Doug when everyone suddenly started wearing the outfit he had on after that celebrity claimed he had made it trendy? 

 

I now know what Doug feels like.

 

Anywho, to remain on topic, I agree with the thread creator.  The Trespasser was a run ride I'll admit that.  It was overpriced, and certainly should have been in the base game, but I did have fun with it.  With that being said, the fact that we had to pay for an epilogue is not right.  And yes, we ARE entitled to the full story.  No ifs ands or buts about it. 

 

Well...sorry I guess? I felt it just suited my attitude towards that particular thing perfectly. It's not my intention to be "trendy" or whatever lol.

[TheRevanchist]

It's dangerous practice, DLC is supposed to be additions not finals, is all I am saying. Especially for a game like DA:I where some people can't even get it.

 

I'm all for streching the plot through DLC, but this came close to a DA 3.1 rather than a DA 3 + "this thing"

 

It is an addition, it just wasn't irrelevant fluff content like The Decent. I would rather not get DLCs like that, if it's all the same to you. 

[prosthetic soul]

Well...sorry I guess? I felt it just suited my attitude towards that particular thing perfectly. It's not my intention to be "trendy" or whatever lol.

Nah, I feel flattered, if anything. 

[Jackie1776]

I didn't see it as an ending (defeating Corypheus was a clear ending to the events of Inquisition) but instead as a bridge between this game and the next game.