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[prosthetic soul]

While it is true that this DLC took place 2 years after DAI's ending, it has nothing to do with The Elder One or the Breach, which were the focus of the main game.

Also, BioWare spent a considerable amount of time and resources to make this DLC happen, which were not included in the main game's budget. They don't work for free.

It had everything to do with the main story though.   It was, for all intents and purposes, the epilogue to the game.  When I get finished reading a book, should I have to pay an extra 15 bucks to have the privilege of turning those last 6 pages or so? 

[TheRevanchist]

Nah, I feel flattered, if anything. 

 

well that's good. My old Sigs not wiped out with the old BSN. Yours was the closest thing to recapturing them, like the Deception sig, the "I chose Destroy" sig, etc lol.  

[Knight of Dane]

It is an addition, it just wasn't irrelevant fluff content like The Decent. I would rather not get DLCs like that, if it's all the same to you. 

 

Completely fair, for what it's worth, I wanted Descent to tie in more with the main plot anyway, JoH too.

[TheRevanchist]

It had everything to do with the main story though.   It was, for all intents and purposes, the epilogue to the game.  When I get finished reading a book, should I have to pay an extra 15 bucks to have the privilege of turning those last 6 pages or so? 

 

Would you rather the book have no Epilogue at all? Endings are not Epilogues, they are two separate things. We got an ending, not a very well done one, but we got one. The game was complete, this was just extra stuff. The fans have been asking for Post Game DLC for ages, I would say the reception proves how welcome it is.

[prosthetic soul]

Would you rather the book have no Epilogue at all? Endings are not Epilogues, they are two separate things. We got an ending, not a very well done one, but we got one. The game was complete, this was just extra stuff. The fans have been asking for Post Game DLC for ages, I would say the reception proves how welcome it is.

You honestly think they didn't make the ending the way it was with the clear intent of adding on an epilogue down the line eventually?  You're not thinking like a businessman here. 

 

"How can we get players to buy our DLC at 15 bucks a pop?"

 

"I know! Leave the players wanting more.  Dangle just enough to leave them satisfied but always leave a little thread hanging." 

[robertthebard]

Er,,, What?
 
You are entitled to a complete product with a complete story within it if you buy it. You don't buy a book and expect to put £15 down for the last 20 pages, which is more akin to the example he's making.
 
I don't *agree* with him, but putting stupid statements like yours out just makes you look like a rabid fanboy and only serves to create more mindless people like him. =/

The stupid thing is the topic post. The main game had an ending. In fact, the main game did everything Cassandra told Roderick we were going to do:

Closed the Breach? Check, twice even...
Found those responsible and dealt with them? Check.
Restored order? Check, apparently we restored enough order that, 2 years down the line, Ferelden, Orlais and Tevinter can all agree that we need to be "dealt with", even if they're not in agreement as to how.

So by all means, demonstrate to me how the main game didn't have it's own ending, and that this DLC, a send off for the cast, somehow violates any "fair" practices? By the OP's logic, I should be getting a refund on my LotR movie purchases, because I bought the first one. Hell, I'll use your example; why should I have bought The Two Towers and Return of the King in print, I bought Fellowship, right? Your scenario isn't any different than the OP's scenario, and they're both dumb. The game told it's story, the DLC that was released afterwards told their own stories. The only way the OP has a point is if we're buying the end fight with Cory. Is this the case? No. So, OP, and this quoted post are both pointless.

[TheRevanchist]

Completely fair, for what it's worth, I wanted Descent to tie in more with the main plot anyway, JoH too.

 

Yes, it would have been nice to have the DLCs be more relevant to the main plot. However Bioware has typically shied away from that concept. The few times they did (LoTSB, Leviathan, Awakening, Trespasser) There are typically much better responses, with some exceptions. I honestly feel for Bioware here a bit. They see people constantly asking them for more Story Relevant DLC, when they finally do just that, they get people screaming at them for not having it in the game to begin with, how it should be free despite the massive amounts of work and content that is contained in it.    

[9TailsFox]

You honestly think they didn't make the ending the way it was with the clear intent of adding on an epilogue down the line eventually?  You're not thinking like a businessman here. 

 

"How can we get players to buy our DLC at 15 bucks a pop?"

 

"I know! Leave the players wanting more.  Dangle just enough to leave them satisfied but always leave a little thread hanging." 

I think you thinking to hard. I don't say it's impossible you can expect much from EA but I doubt it.

[prosthetic soul]

I think you thinking to hard. I don't say it's impossible you can expect much from EA but I doubt it.

 

The naivete is strong with this one. 

[Qun00]

If people don't want to buy it, though, they can just make that decision in the Keep before DA4 comes out.

That's a cheap excuse. A cop out.

The customer shouldn't have to be satisfied with lesser alternatives as consolation for what the company didn't deliver the way they should.

I also see a lot of "Don't like it, don't buy it" around here. This argument only applies to complaints such as "The story is badly written" or "the gameplay is boring". That isn't the case here.

[Knight of Dane]

Yes, it would have been nice to have the DLCs be more relevant to the main plot. However Bioware has typically shied away from that concept. The few times they did (LoTSB, Leviathan, Awakening, Trespasser) There are typically much better responses, with some exceptions. I honestly feel for Bioware here a bit. They see people constantly asking them for more Story Relevant DLC, when they finally do just that, they get people screaming at them for not having it in the game to begin with, how it should be free despite the massive amounts of work and content that is contained in it.    

 

Perhaps, but I think it's fair here. A full game is supposed to have a ending in its story, I don't think it's good practice to add that later for more money. Just adding story elements is usually great. My only complaint with your other examples is Leviathan, but I just didn't like it at all xD

[robertthebard]

Perhaps, but I think it's fair here. A full game is supposed to have a ending in its story, I don't think it's good practice to add that later for more money. Just adding story elements is usually great. My only complaint with your other examples is Leviathan, but I just didn't like it at all xD

...and the main game's story was concluded in the main game, or did your copy of Trespasser come with the final Cory battle? By the logic expressed in this thread, if the Inquisition is even mentioned in later games they should be free "because story".

[Knight of Dane]

...and the main game's story was concluded in the main game, or did your copy of Trespasser come with the final Cory battle? By the logic expressed in this thread, if the Inquisition is even mentioned in later games they should be free "because story".

 

You have a point, but this dlc was advertised as the final to the Inquisitors story.

[Beomer]

I think this thread is just going round and round in circles. 

Let's break it down. First as my previous post indicated, I'm all for vigilance against the Man sticking it to the little people. But this isn't a case of that.

We are not being asked to pay for an ending. The game had an ending. It might not have been very satisfactory, but then that could be said about many aspects of DAI. It was a product with a lot of cut corners and half implemented ideas. Nonetheless, it still had a definite ending.

This DLC was made AFTER the game. It isn't as though they made the DLC during development, then cut it from the main game and then sold it separately. This isn't a scam.

Maybe had they had an even longer dev cycle for the game, they could've made the story longer. Maybe they could've added more features. But as things stand now, the main game was shipped and this was made after release, so of course you have to pay. No one works for free.

I mean the people whining about having to pay for this DLC which was made after the main game was released is as ridiculous as all the people who said the Witcher expansion packs should've been included for free in the main game.....

[TheRevanchist]

Perhaps, but I think it's fair here. A full game is supposed to have a ending in its story, I don't think it's good practice to add that later for more money. Just adding story elements is usually great. My only complaint with your other examples is Leviathan, but I just didn't like it at all xD

 

 I did say with some exceptions didn't I? lol. Regardless it was decently received by most.  

[Aren]

The original game had a proper ending, the DLC shows what happens next. You aren't entitled to the ENTIRE story. That's like complaining that ME2/3 aren't free since you already bought ME1. Weak argument is weak, I wish we could be rid of all these entitled gamers. It's starting to get old.

Agree on the specific context of the topic,however i do not agree if  this argument has to be applied for old gen

[pdusen]

The original game lacked a proper ending.

 

No, it didn't.

[Darkstarr11]

I paid for an epilogue.  I ALREADY paid for the ending when I bought the game way back last year.  Liked it too.  

[jedidotflow]

Then don't buy another BioWare game ever again. Simple. /thread

[zeypher]

The original game had a proper ending, the DLC shows what happens next. You aren't entitled to the ENTIRE story. That's like complaining that ME2/3 aren't free since you already bought ME1. Weak argument is weak, I wish we could be rid of all these entitled gamers. It's starting to get old.

Couldn't have said it better.

[robertthebard]

You have a point, but this dlc was advertised as the final to the Inquisitors story.

Nothing at all wrong with that. The point here is that the main story for Inquisition was wrapped up before any of the DLC hit. The rest of this is bonus content, with a chance to chat up your remaining party members before you go. That thing that people like the OP would likely complain about not getting after the threat has ended. The only issue here is, from my pov, the OP doesn't like DLC in general, and didn't want to buy it.

[pdusen]

Maybe because they should have made it in the base game to begin with?   And it's called working out of pocket.  A show of support for your loyal consumers.  Kind of like what CDPR did. 

 

Consumers shouldn't have to keep showing their loyalty by continually paying for money after buying the game.   That's entitlement on the developer's end.  And for the love of God they're owned by EA.  I'm pretty sure they're not wanting for money. 

 

You heard it here first, folks. You pay full price for one peice of content, apparently you have the right to feel entitled to any continuation that is released.

 

Say goodbye to sequels or expansions or post-game DLC altogether, because apparently if they can't put it in the ***ing initial game/book/movie then they are ripping us off by doing it.

 

Dear god, the level of idiocy in here is absolutely insane.

[Drago_28]

I have no problem with paying for good DLC

[Suledin]

The original game lacked a proper ending. The last DLC should have been in the original game or at least be free for buyers of the game and not being sold for 15 Euros. Sucks in my opinion. I feel ripped of considering I paid 70 Euro for my digital deluxe edition on Origin.

Bla blah blah. 


People are stupid - Sera

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I don't get the OP the vanilla game without any dlc clearly had a beginning middle and end, everything after that is an add on and Trespasser in particular is like more like an expansion pack, more in story terms than in size though.