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[Sunnie]

Calpernia always exists in the story, regardless of whether you meet her in your game or not (as does Samson if you go through the Templar path). Both of them served as Corypheus' head generals, and the fate of the one you don't meet in your preferred path is never confirmed.

 

Further, while Samson can die through the mage path, it's impossible to kill Calpernia through the Templar path even if you attack her. So whatever happened during the Inquisition years, whether your Inquisition fought the red templar or the venatori armies, Calpernia herself is still alive and out there in canon, and could absolutely return if the plot needs her.

Except that if you go the Mage patch, Calpernia is never mentioned , at all, anywhere in the game. So in essence, she doesn't exist in the story. The ONLY way you know anything about Calpernia if you help the Mages is by metagaming.

[loyallyroyal]

I would like to see Servis from the Western Approach come back. You have to love a character who can talk themselves out of a tight spot. He is slippery enough that I have no doubts the venatori and skyhold's prison won't hold him long.

[Shienis]

Except that if you go the Mage patch, Calpernia is never mentioned , at all, anywhere in the game. So in essence, she doesn't exist in the story. The ONLY way you know anything about Calpernia if you help the Mages is by metagaming.

 

So she was never born, she was never a slave, she was never freed and only if you help templars, she spawns out of nowhere? 

[Sunnie]

So she was never born, she was never a slave, she was never freed and only if you help templars, she spawns out of nowhere? 

That's not what I said.

 

Except that if you go the Mage patch, Calpernia is never mentioned , at all, anywhere in the game. So in essence, she doesn't exist in the story. The ONLY way you know anything about Calpernia if you help the Mages is by metagaming.

 

She doesn't appear in the game at all if you go the mage path, don't read anything more into it. The plain and simple fact of the matter is, unless you go the Templar path, Calpernia does not exist in the story.

[Korva]

I must be among the few who see no appeal in Calpernia at all. While I'd been looking forward to her since I'd heard a lot of praise for her, she left me utterly cold in the end.

 

Generally speaking, the fewer returning characters the better. Especially ones that were full companions before. While it makes sense for them to still work towards stopping Solas (the fact that most just go their own way despite the fact that the real horror hasn't even begun is just weird), it's really glaring when everyone and their grandma returns but the former protagonist does not. Plus, I'd just like some room for headcanon that at least a few friends actually stay close with an ex-protagonist for once. So keep the former companions working with the Inquisitor behind the scenes and off-screen, except for those who absolutely need to be there. If Inquisition members make a re-appearance, their bond with the Inquisitor should be made obvious.

 

Dorian will undoubtedly return, but I think he'll be in an advisor/mentor/contact-in-high-places role. Harding also seems likely, given her presence in the final cutscene and mention in Leliana's epilogue. She might be a companion, or also in an advisor-like role.

[Shienis]

 

Because making your point all but unreadable is going to make the understanding better...

Yes, she doesn't appear in the mage-line. But that doesn't mean she doesn't exist in the world. So the only reason for her to not return would be "she doesn't fit the new story", not "the players can choose mages"... (ah, right, I get it, in case you chose mages, she won't return, she would simply appear... is it really necessary to pick up the words?)

[Sunnie]

Because making your point all but unreadable is going to make the understanding better...

Yes, she doesn't appear in the mage-line. But that doesn't mean she doesn't exist in the world. So the only reason for her to not return would be "she doesn't fit the new story", not "the players can choose mages"... (ah, right, I get it, in case you chose mages, she won't return, she would simply appear... is it really necessary to pick up the words?)

I use the dark forum color set, so it was perfectly readable when I made the post.

However, you are completely missing the point. Calpernia would not likely be a returning character that would also be a companion in DA4 (and I'll spell it out, again) because if you never play the game going down the Templar path, you would never ever have heard of Calpernia. My reasoning for that opinion is due to the way they have handled returning characters and companions in DA2 and DAI. Something tells me they aren't going to break that mold for DA4.

 

Injecting a companion that has a fair amount of influence in a previous games alternate state, into a new game for a player that experienced a completely different state leaves that player saying "WTF, this isn't right!", and creates a huge disconnect. Additionally, it requires the writers/developers to double the number of diverging paths the new story can take. Keeping track of a branching story that has too many limbs becomes a nightmare to manage.

 

So whether you understand or not, it really doesn't matter, my opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else at this point.

[WildOrchid]

Well since it's obvious the next game will be set in Tevinter, Calpernia could possibly appear as a companion or even as NPC. Who I really want as companion is Maevaris though.

 

Edit, I forgot you can kill Calpernia in DAI.... so her being a companion makes it difficult.

[leadintea]

I use the dark forum color set, so it was perfectly readable when I made the post.

However, you are completely missing the point. Calpernia would not likely be a returning character that would also be a companion in DA4 (and I'll spell it out, again) because if you never play the game going down the Templar path, you would never ever have heard of Calpernia. My reasoning for that opinion is due to the way they have handled returning characters and companions in DA2 and DAI. Something tells me they aren't going to break that mold for DA4.

 

Injecting a companion that has a fair amount of influence in a previous games alternate state, into a new game for a player that experienced a completely different state leaves that player saying "WTF, this isn't right!", and creates a huge disconnect. Additionally, it requires the writers/developers to double the number of diverging paths the new story can take. Keeping track of a branching story that has too many limbs becomes a nightmare to manage.

 

So whether you understand or not, it really doesn't matter, my opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else at this point.

 

Calpernia is mentioned on the mage path by someone in the Hissing Waste as well as on a note in the Emerald Graves (not too sure about that one). Just because you don't see her doesn't mean she doesn't exist.

 

Well since it's obvious the next game will be set in Tevinter, Calpernia could possibly appear as a companion or even as NPC. Who I really want as companion is Maevaris though.

 

Edit, I forgot you can kill Calpernia in DAI.... so her being a companion makes it difficult.

 

You never "kill" Calpernia. You defeat her and she jumps into a river, with no body confirmation. I remember a dev (Weekes, I think) saying that they left her final state ambiguous enough, just in case they want to return to her character in later installments.

[WildOrchid]

You never "kill" Calpernia. You defeat her and she jumps into a river, with no body confirmation. I remember a dev (Weekes, I think) saying that they left her final state ambiguous enough, just in case they want to return to her character in later installments.

 

Oh, okay then. I had no idea.

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Considering how loved Calpernia was by the writers, I imagine she is likely to return. Would I want her as a companion? Probably not but I'd deal.

Scout Harding and Charter are possibilities.

maybe some of the Agents you can possibly make in DAI?

[Sunnie]

Calpernia is mentioned on the mage path by someone in the Hissing Waste as well as on a note in the Emerald Graves (not too sure about that one). Just because you don't see her doesn't mean she doesn't exist.

Citation?

 

In 700ish hours and 5 mage path PTs, I have never ever seen/heard any mention of Calpernia, only during a Templar path PT.

Calpernia and Samson are pretty much completely interchanged with each other in the role of Corypyshite's General, neither of which get any mention outside of their respective paths. Now, I will admit that I am not that versed on the Templar path (my path of choice is Mages) so I am not 100% sure Samson doesn't get mentioned on the Templar path, but I will assume from my limited experience with it that he doesn't.

 

Still, though, I don't believe Calpernia (or Samson for that matter) would be viable for companions in DA4.

[Destiny Kaspar]

I really want to see Abelas again. It is uncertain of what could cause him to be a companion, but it would be simply amazing to have him as one. 

[M4RVELOUS_MiKE]

I really want to see Abelas again. It is uncertain of what could cause him to be a companion, but it would be simply amazing to have him as one. 

Agreed! And he would fit in perfectly with the direction that the story has taken post-Trespasser. Unlike most characters new or old, Abelas is pretty unique as he is pretty much given an empty page post Well of Sorrows to start from, so the writers could literally take him in any direction they so desire.

 

It would also be quite refreshing to have an elf being the most physically imposing character in the party for a change. Roles that have otherwise been dominated by foremost Qunari like Sten and Iron Bull or to a lesser degree Dwarves (Oghren) and Humans (Blackwall, Alistair etc).

 

Consider me on the Abelas as party member for DA4 train 

[riverbanks]

Except that if you go the Mage patch, Calpernia is never mentioned , at all, anywhere in the game. So in essence, she doesn't exist in the story. The ONLY way you know anything about Calpernia if you help the Mages is by metagaming.

 

Took me a few days because I had to remember where I'd seen it and then find a save near enough, but here you go: 

Spoiler

 

This is on my mage-siding playthrough, and Calpernia still exists in the story. You don't meet her through the mage path as much as you don't meet Samson through the Templar path,  but they both always exist in their roles, regardless of the path you take.

 

edit: oh and I hadn't seen this:

 

Calpernia and Samson are pretty much completely interchanged with each other in the role of Corypyshite's General, neither of which get any mention outside of their respective paths. Now, I will admit that I am not that versed on the Templar path (my path of choice is Mages) so I am not 100% sure Samson doesn't get mentioned on the Templar path, but I will assume from my limited experience with it that he doesn't.

 

So here's the mention of Samson through the Templar path:

Spoiler

 

There's your citation for both characters existing through the opposite paths.

[LobselVith8]

Viddasala sucks give me a new female qunari we need more of them in the world as it is.

I'd like to meet a genuine Tal-Vashoth.

And give me a Iorveth style city elf/former Tevinter slave dude who's fighting for something better for modern elves in this world - fck the ancient elves, fck the 'gods', fck any non-elves who won't get out of the way of them clawing up out of subjugation, and fck any modern elves who think the answer is whatever Solas has planned.

That would be great. Inquisition pretty much handwaved the perspective of the Dalish and Andrastian elves while giving us a plethora of Andrastian perspectives and Chantry apologists, and it would be good if the next installment rectified this.

I think a lot of modern elves will go to the DW's side and help him, we need an elf who's an avatar of elves fighting for what they have and could have here in this world - my Dalish quiz would function as this if she appears or is the PC, but in those worldstates where the quiz isn't an elf.. yea. I have a feeling we'll be fighting a lot of elves in our campaign to stop Solas in DA4, particularly a lot of Dalish faithful (BW does so love to make idiots of Dalish lmao), we need a counterpoint to show not all elves are complete morons or lost cause fanatics (delete which is appropriate for you), 'we are people too and this is our crapsack world and we'll fight for it and our place in it'. not a Sera style 'for all little people' and not a Fenris style 'for slave people', a modern elf who is for modern elves.

I really hope Bioware doesn't throw the Dalish or the majority of Andrastian elves under the bus for a story where we protect the status quo of institutionalized racism. It was bad enough that the Dalish Boon was rectonned and handwaved and that we didn't really do anything to help the People as an elven Inquisitor.

[FemHawke FTW]

I'd like to see Scout Harding return for DA4, also seems like Maevaris is a strong favorite with all the codex entries she got in DAI. Would be cool to have Shokrakar in the next installment, after all the Valo-Kas need to get paid

[AtreiyaN7]

The two problems with Viddasala as a companion are that she's a stone statue and that Solas now controls the eluvian network. I don't think anyone's going to think that it's a good idea to rescue her (that's if lesser mages can even undo that petrification spell). Besides, I didn't like her, definitely don't trust her at this point (not even after that reasonably polite panahedan), and I think the odds are high that she'll remain a hostile and problematic individual. And since I had a mage Inquisitor, I am completely against the qunari treatment of mages and magic.

 

She just did a little too much for me to forgive her. She tried to subvert my organization and attempted to assassinate hundreds (maybe thousands) of people in an effort to invade the South. Look, I've forgiven people even after one or two direct attempts to kill my character in the past, but when you start taking things to the Viddasala's level, not even I can forgive her for everything she did.

 

I wouldn't mind them working in another qunari like Sten or Iron Bull (both cool dudes) who eventually went tal-vashoth in my game, but no thanks on the Viddasala.

[maia0407]

I really want to see Abelas again. It is uncertain of what could cause him to be a companion, but it would be simply amazing to have him as one. 

Yes, I'd like to see Abelas as well.

[Xilizhra]

Except that if you go the Mage patch, Calpernia is never mentioned , at all, anywhere in the game. So in essence, she doesn't exist in the story. The ONLY way you know anything about Calpernia if you help the Mages is by metagaming.

This is actually not true. Calpernia is mentioned in a letter in the Western Approach.

[draken-heart]

Honestly, would love a female magister who is the complete opposite of Dorian (for the most part, anyways). Y'know, shy/quiet, not wanting to cause any problems, maybe throw a little morrigan in there.

[Ashagar]

Given this is Tevinter, Doran, prehaps a slave companion, a loyal Tevinter solder, Calpernia and someone who is the mole for Solas and will stab you in the back at the worse possible moment to further Solas's plans.

[draken-heart]

Thought of a new one. A rogue with magic (and bring back companion-specific specializations) or hints of magical gifts (ala sera, but not at all afraid of them).

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Not sure why people think Calpernia would appear again, she either jumps off a cliff to deny the Inquisition the satisfaction of killing/capturing her or likely gets killed by Corypheus after confronting him directly/failing her mission to convert the Redcliff mages to the Venatori

[Xilizhra]

Not sure why people think Calpernia would appear again, she either jumps off a cliff to deny the Inquisition the satisfaction of killing/capturing her or likely gets killed by Corypheus after confronting him directly/failing her mission to convert the Redcliff mages to the Venatori

Because she's never shown to die, and there's no choice in the Keep to have her killed; the choice for that is that she fought the Inquisitor, not that she died (there's no skeleton graphic).