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I haven't played Trespasser yet, but I've been checking out some spoilers, and apparently Solas actually believes that he has killed / finished off Mythal for good (correct me if I'm wrong or missing something).

So is she really gone, or will she pull a Flemeth and come back and stop Solas / help the next protagonist stop Solas? What do you guys think?

Going a little further, for all of you who believe she's not gone and will come back to oppose Solas, I ask why would she let him kill herself in the first place if she knew what he was going to do (it won't make sense for her to not know) if she plans to come back and stop him anyway? I'd guess at the point of the post credits scene in the main game, Flemeth is still definitely stronger than Solas.



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Solas mentions Mythal only one time. In context that elven gods made greatest sin by killing Mythal most caring mother of his people, and deserve punishment they get. It made me sure Mythal is still alive.



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Flemeth let Solas take some of her power, but she sent something over that Eluvian before he showed up. We know she can "recreate" herself out of a little piece of her soul, but it is also possible the next avatar might be someone else than Flemeth, I mean she says herself that someone doesn't need to be in only one place.

 

I think Flemythal and Solas's goal are currently going in the same direction, but they aren't totally aligned. Flemythal's action are those of someone who is interested in protecting the world from the stupid people living in it, I doubt she did all that (protecting dragons, stopping the blight, etc) just to have Solas destroy it all. She also told him "I'm sorry", so I think she is playing a gambit right now.


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Man TBH at this point I would like nothing more than Flemeth showing up sometime in the future games and curb stomp Solas or at least beat some sense into him.


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Flemeth let Solas take some of her power, but she sent something over that Eluvian before he showed up. We know she can "recreate" herself out of a little piece of her soul, but it is also possible the next avatar might be someone else than Flemeth, I mean she says herself that someone doesn't need to be in only one place.

 

I think Flemythal and Solas's goal are currently going in the same direction, but they aren't totally aligned. Flemythal's action are those of someone who is interested in protecting the world from the stupid people living in it, I doubt she did all that (protecting dragons, stopping the blight, etc) just to have Solas destroy it all. She also told him "I'm sorry", so I think she is playing a gambit right now.

Flemeth sent Mythal soul beyond the eluvian, but she can no longer revive since she doesn't possess her power anymore,Solas modus operandi is to petrify the opponents.
 FLemeth didn't stopped the blight the Hof Stopped it,it doesn't matter that FLemeth aided you,in the end is the Warden
(you can even not use any companion at all,is possible i have once "solo" the entire game) stopped the blight,all that Mythal was doing was shape the world by awakening dangerous beasts
 
After the well of sorrow quest Solas knew how to find FLemeth,he found her, is possible that he saw as an offence that an human used the power belonged to an ancient elf,Mythal is a friend for him,but not FLemeth.


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I swear it was Flemeth speaking during parts of...was it the Library?  Where was it?  However, SOMEONE kept telling you that you didn't know everything...and she's listed in the credits for the DLC...so...SOMETHING is up.

 

Also, Flemeth mentioned that she and Mythal are one.  Possibly by now, they are simply the same being after so much time together.  


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I don't trust mythal at all I bet she is playing everyone like a fiddle even solas
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I swear it was Flemeth speaking during parts of...was it the Library?  Where was it?  However, SOMEONE kept telling you that you didn't know everything...and she's listed in the credits for the DLC...so...SOMETHING is up.

 

Also, Flemeth mentioned that she and Mythal are one.  Possibly by now, they are simply the same being after so much time together.  

And after defeating Cory you go to Orlais can her some people speak and one say he hers some women speaking with him in his dreams.


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And after defeating Cory you go to Orlais can her some people speak and one say he hers some women speaking with him in his dreams.

 

Really?  I'm going back to *shudders* Orlais. :P

 

I THOUGHT it odd that she seemed to go along with Solas and his plans a LITTLE too easily...just giving him her power?  For someone* who was known for her kindness, being level headed, and just attitude, I can't see where she'd be okay with slaughtering everyone in the world to bring back a time when it led to her murder...unless she has plans of her own...maybe LETTING Solas release the Evanuris so they can be killed...permanently?

 

Again, speculation...

 

*I mean Mythal as she was described.  Though...I am having trouble faulting her for trying to kill the Warden.  I mean, the guy DID draw his sword on her because of her sexy witch daughter and what happened underneath the sheets...so, yeah THAT one might have been MY fault.  Heh, whoops... :blush:


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Really?  I'm going back to *shudders* Orlais. :P

 

I THOUGHT it odd that she seemed to go along with Solas and his plans a LITTLE too easily...just giving him her power?  For someone who was known for her kindness, being level headed, and just attitude, I can't see where she'd be okay with slaughtering everyone in the world to bring back a time when it led to her murder...unless she has plans of her own...maybe LETTING Solas release the Evanuris so they can be killed...permanently?

 

Again, speculation...

I am not surprised Mythal gave power so easy they are friends we don't know what happen in the past. Maybe this is what Mythal wanted all this time to collect power for Solas.


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I am not surprised Mythal gave power so easy they are friends we don't know what happen in the past. Maybe this is what Mythal wanted all this time to collect power for Solas.

 

Good point.  If ANYTHING in DA was clear as mud, it is Flemeth and her plans...



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And after defeating Cory you go to Orlais can her some people speak and one say he hers some women speaking with him in his dreams.

this person will be the next host for Mythal.



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I don't trust mythal at all I bet she is playing everyone like a fiddle even solas

Is not Mythal anymore just a remanent of her imbued (when she was in FLemeth) with FLemeth personality.

THe original Mythal was maybe much more different that the witch.


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I swear it was Flemeth speaking during parts of...was it the Library?  Where was it?  However, SOMEONE kept telling you that you didn't know everything...and she's listed in the credits for the DLC...so...SOMETHING is up.

 

Also, Flemeth mentioned that she and Mythal are one.  Possibly by now, they are simply the same being after so much time together.  

It's in the deep roads, there's a part where a voice very similar to Flemeth starts speaking in cryptic words. Now it's very possible it was those female qunari that ambush you in that room but I don't know why they would give them Mulgrew's voice.


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I swear it was Flemeth speaking during parts of...was it the Library?  Where was it?  However, SOMEONE kept telling you that you didn't know everything...and she's listed in the credits for the DLC...so...SOMETHING is up.

 

Also, Flemeth mentioned that she and Mythal are one.  Possibly by now, they are simply the same being after so much time together.  

 

It was in the deep roads. The same place also seems to have been a temple for Mythal and her followers complete with codex entries of Mythal, statues and a painting of a Titan being killed (by Mythal)

 

I think it was Mythal; I am not sure if you hear the voice if you drank from the well or not 



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Considering that Flemeth was turned into stone much like the Qunari and it seems Solas absorbed Mythal's essence... I think that Flemeth is probably toast.

 

A possible out of game reason: now they won't need to pay the fees to get Kate Mulgrew to voice her anymore.



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My guess with Morrigan drinking from the Well (which pissed off Solas) and now having access to her mother's powers, either Morrigan is the new "Flemeth" or Flemeth will use her daughters new connection to Mythal to help restore her body as she used the Hawke family to do after The Warden "killed" her.

 

And I doubt this is the last we've heard of Mulgrew.  She could, at the very least come back and voice Mythal.

 

And I doubt Mulgrew's VA fees are that much more than the rest of the voice cast, especially the ones they keep bringing back like Steve Valentine, Claudia Black, Dwight Schultz, etc.  She probably spent a most a day or two in the booth for this.


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When Flemeth spoke with Merrill she says "No path is darker when you eyes are shut"and that she refers to herself as  "a whisper in the shadows" ... which was certainly that voice

 

The voice sounds too much like Flemeth and what that voice said is pretty much what Flemeth has said in DA2



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Yeah. If we're lucky, her or Morrigan will make another appearance.



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I think Flemeth willingly gave her power to Solas, and agrees with what he believes he has to do.  While she has been helpful to our protagonists in the past, she only helped them if they would do something in return for her.  I don't think she is much different than Solas in her beliefs about what should happen in the future.  If she did not want Solas to take her power, she would not have stayed by the eluvian in the end scene of the main game, as she knew he would come.  She also indicates in Origins that she not only knows more than the Warden about a lot of things, but she also suggests that in a situation where the world is ending, she would lie to people to let them be happy, which is very similar to what Solas seems to be doing at the end of Trespasser.(1) She even hints at knowing about such a plot to destroy the world early in Origins, though I would guess that is a coincidence, as I don't think the writers were planning to make her Mythal that early in the series.(2)
As far as what her gift to Solas entails, I think that while we cannot be certain, there are a lot of things we can guess based on what has been said in Inquisition, previous games, and what happens in Trespasser.  Solas most likely did not receive Mythal's soul, as there is no presence of the voices from the Well of Sorrows, and he doesn't take control of the Inquisitor when doing so would be to his advantage.  While I realize that this could be simply because not everybody had their inquisitor drink from the Well, it wouldn't have taken much work to add a couple of lines.  The souls of Mythal and Flemeth are connected, so if Solas didn't take Mythal's soul, he didn't take Flemeth's, either.(3) A developer's note found in Inquisition's code tells us that Flemeth sent her immortality to Morrigan through the eluvian.  If Solas didn't absorb her soul, did she send it through the eluvian as well, or, as only a fragment of Mythal, did she have another vessel to use in case she died, as she did when Morrigan tried to kill her?(4)If he didn't take her immortality or soul, what did Solas get from Flemeth?
I have a lot of theories in mind right now, but most are too undeveloped for me to discuss very well yet, as I haven't even watched all of Trespasser or any of Descent.  Just for fun, though, I'll tell you that my ideas include Flemeth using time travel and Sandal being an archdemon.
 
 
1. (The Warden approaches Flemeth after Morrigan asks him to kill her.)
Warden: I want the truth.
Flemeth: The truth! As if it were nothing! How like a man.
Flemeth: No, no. Far better the lie. Far better the comfort of blankets and shadows and a mother's love.
2. (The soon-to-be Warden, Alistair, and the two unfortunate men who later die in the joining go to Flemeth's hut to retrieve Grey Warden treaties.)
 Barris: If she's really a witch, do you want to make her mad?
Flemeth: There's a smart lad. Sadly irrelevant to the larger scheme of things, but it is not I who decides. Believe what you will.
3.(Flemeth speaks about Mythal in her appearance in Inquisition.)
Flemeth: She is a part of me, no more separate than your heart from your chest.
4. (Flemeth explains herself to Hawke.)
Flemeth: Must I be in only one place? Bodies are such limiting things.
Flemeth: I am but a fragment cast adrift from the whole. A bit of flotsam to cling to in the storm.


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It really depends on Patrick if he'll follow the legacy notes or if he does hos own thing.



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Flemeth sent her immortality to Morrigan? Do you have a closer source?



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Flemeth sent her immortality to Morrigan? Do you have a closer source?

Just the dev notes that where datamined, that Gaider said can easily change. With Patrick being the new lead, it's all up to him if he follows that or goes down his own vision.



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Just the dev notes that where datamined, that Gaider said can easily change. With Patrick being the new lead, it's all up to him if he follows that or goes down his own vision.

 

Snap.

 

If it was true, we might have a Mythalgan situation here.

 

And yeah, I did just try to blend that, like her mother has been called Flemythal.



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I think (Fle)Mythal may come back later, but not necessarily in that same physical form we got used to, nor the voice actress. Maybe.

 

The Flemeth focus of things may be pretty much done, and passed on to Morrigan.

 

Solas may end in the next game, and if we just assume that for a second, it would mean something like having Morrigan in the 'endgame' (DA5-6?).

 

Speculating super broadly here I KNOW.


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