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[KaiserShep]

What's wrong with undermining Mordin's dialogue? He's hardly infallible.

 

 

What's wrong is that aside from there being no good reason for an "Awakened Collector" to exist, what with their super extensive modification over thousands of years, they're not even part of the greater narrative. It's not like there's some reveal that the Collectors can indeed get some of their prothean memories back. They're just some silly thing in MP that gives a cheap and easy reason for the player to join co-op as a Collector. 

[thepiebaker]

What's wrong with undermining Mordin's dialogue? He's hardly infallible.

its almost as science evolves as we begin to understand more and more of the universe and things we used to perceive as facts were either entirely wrong or only partially true.

[SKAR]

I actually got into BioWare's games through Mass Effect first, but ended up liking DA more, mainly because I found that more effort was put into character interaction, and for the most part, the world felt a bit richer. On a technical level, Mass Effect is clearly superior, but in terms of writing, DA easily trumps it to me.

How does anyone like DA more? LOL

[Addictress]

The lore and over-arcing plot of Dragon Age are superior.

Mass Effect is superior in the execution (the actual games).

[straykat]

How does anyone like DA more? LOL

 

I used to like them equally. It's firmly on my shitlist now.

[Sartoz]

How does anyone like DA more? LOL

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You're kidding right?

Relentless, sarcastic Morrigan? The hilarious banter between her and Alistair?  Why I would go over the trigger points multiple times to

hear the random banter between them. And, who doesn't like Mr. Mustachio and flirtatious - Oghren?

 

Also like DA2 (Coterie dropping from the sky and reused cave assets, not so much  <== very annoying).

 

DA:I  ... let's not talk about it.

 

DA and ME are two different game styles.. I can't say I like one better than the other as I have played ME2 and DA:O+Da2 multiple times.

[Remix-General Aetius]

Good Devil, who resurrected this from the underworld???

[The Hierophant]

Good Devil, who resurrected this from the underworld???

The necromancy is strong with this one. There's no telling how many lives were sacrificed.

[Sartoz]

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In this case the ME team definitely needs to take the feedback DAI got into account so we don't end up with another Hinterlands like scenario.  I don't feel like collecting space pelts for the first few hours.

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Precisely. 

Mako + exploration must engage the player. 

 

Bottles, Portraits, Shards and similar crap must be avoided like the plague, including useless "loot", Discovery Power Points, Exploration Power Points, Exploration Achievements, NPC filler quests and so on.

 

Hooking the player with the story and characters and fun activities requires a level of writing that is superior to ME3.  I say that because Bio must raise themselves clearly above ME3.  Long load times, elevator rides and other contrivances won't advance their cause.

 

A possible way to engage the player while exploring is to switch to MP mode. 

[MrBSN2017]

DA sucks. It's apparent in how all the fanboys have to flood the Mass Effect boards for validation.

The only way I'd play that silly DAI again is if someone made a Mass Effect mod where I could play as Shep and shoot every worthless character in that game. Seriously, the 10ft tall super mage was a joke. I don't even know how any of you could take that game seriously.

[SKAR]

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You're kidding right?
Relentless, sarcastic Morrigan? The hilarious banter between her and Alistair? Why I would go over the trigger points multiple times to
hear the random banter between them. And, who doesn't like Mr. Mustachio and flirtatious - Oghren?

Also like DA2 (Coterie dropping from the sky and reused cave assets, not so much <== very annoying).

DA:I ... let's not talk about it.

DA and ME are two different game styles.. I can't say I like one better than the other as I have played ME2 and DA:O+Da2 multiple times.

I'm just not that into it. Maybe the next game.

[Armass81]

Theyre almost as annoying as the constant Witcher remarks here.

[Kabraxal]

Until we actually get something to talk about from Andromeda itself that isn't pure speculation, then naturally Dragon Age and the previous trilogy or going to be discussed in relation to the game more.  Once we see more gameplay, a demo, and have the game in hand there won't be much to talk about on Andromeda other than talking about what previous games did and how that might affect this game.

[Xilizhra]

What's wrong is that aside from there being no good reason for an "Awakened Collector" to exist, what with their super extensive modification over thousands of years, they're not even part of the greater narrative. It's not like there's some reveal that the Collectors can indeed get some of their prothean memories back. They're just some silly thing in MP that gives a cheap and easy reason for the player to join co-op as a Collector. 

Well, I agree that that's one of the many, many, many things wrong with ME3, that it didn't actually explore that story.

[Cyonan]

DA sucks. It's apparent in how all the fanboys have to flood the Mass Effect boards for validation.

The only way I'd play that silly DAI again is if someone made a Mass Effect mod where I could play as Shep and shoot every worthless character in that game. Seriously, the 10ft tall super mage was a joke. I don't even know how any of you could take that game seriously.

 

The 10ft tall super mage was so ridiculous that I had to go back to fighting the giant space cuttlefish.

 

Which is totally not ridiculous in any way.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Is it working? O.o

[Lady Artifice]

How does anyone like DA more? LOL

 

 

Just guessing but...

 

 

I actually got into BioWare's games through Mass Effect first, but ended up liking DA more, mainly because I found that more effort was put into character interaction, and for the most part, the world felt a bit richer. On a technical level, Mass Effect is clearly superior, but in terms of writing, DA easily trumps it to me.

 

Probably by liking all the things he elaborated on.

[MrBSN2017]

The 10ft tall super mage was so ridiculous that I had to go back to fighting the giant space cuttlefish.

Which is totally not ridiculous in any way.

10ft tall super human, pet dragon and magic.

Ignorance is bliss.

[Addictress]

Hey, as much as I hate Inquisition, you gotta respect the cool world they built, bro. And those Trespasser reveals! Unf unf!

[Addictress]

(I always thought "unf" was some pseudo-German noise of agreement and/or praise, then later learned its meaning as an acronym. I still can't help using it, although I cringe and struggle with feelings of conflict and regret immediately afterward every time).

[tehturian]

This may not be the best place to put this but heck. I've always had the problem of wanting to replay DAO but in execution deciding I don't actually want to. It's tough because my first playthrough as a sociopathic city elf is probably in my top three gaming experiences. Even the more criticised parts, the deep roads and the fade all felt perfect within the context of the game and left me with a genuine attachment with my PC that I've never had in any other game. 

 

But in subsequent attempts I've just felt..kinda bored. I've tried all the origins to try to liven things up but I ultimately end up abandoning my save at best after I've recruited my first faction. 

 

By contract I actually quite enjoy replaying DA2. Hawke, the gang and Kirkwall have a certain endearing charm to them that keeps me enthused despite the game being clearly underbaked. I suppose as a game it takes much of its inspiration from ME2 with character based drama rather than plot based as well as a charismatic PC. ME2 on most days is my favourite of the trilogy so I suppose this fits me like a glove. 

 

DAI though, was and is just charmless. 

 

How this relates to the thread you say? Well, I'd argue that it's always been a one way street. Mass Effect has inspired Dragon Age but I can't of any examples of the opposite. Lets hope MEA isn't the first example of Dragon Age(specifically the third one) affecting Mass Effect. 

[Cyonan]

10ft tall super human, pet dragon and magic.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

Space cuttlefish that create more of themselves by liquefying organic races.

 

but no, tell me more about how an overpowered mage is just too much.

[capn233]

It is in fact difficult to tell if blood magic or space magic is more realistic.

[Spectr61]

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You're kidding right?
Relentless, sarcastic Morrigan? The hilarious banter between her and Alistair?  Why I would go over the trigger points multiple times to
hear the random banter between them. And, who doesn't like Mr. Mustachio and flirtatious - Oghren?
 
Also like DA2 (Coterie dropping from the sky and reused cave assets, not so much  <== very annoying).
 
DA:I  ... let's not talk about it.
 
DA and ME are two different game styles.. I can't say I like one better than the other as I have played ME2 and DA:O+Da2 multiple times.

How do the ME1 Citadel elevator ride convo's compare to the DAO randoms?

[Addictress]

Space cuttlefish that create more of themselves by liquefying organic races.

but no, tell me more about how an overpowered mage is just too much.

The cuttlefish comparison isn't demeaning since a lot of Mass Effect symbolism and imagery draw from nature on purpose. For instance, the collectors are like terrifying insectoids, their menacing visage drawing from our dislike of insects. Cuttlefish aren't the only species the reapers resemble - they are like any generic deep sea creature. The fact they resemble deep sea creatures isn't a weakness but an intentional strength. Drawing visual parallels to nature is the point. It's the broad gesture to concepts like evolution and the indifference of the forces of natural selection, in line with what they represent.