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[Bleachrude]

You're not understanding me.

 

Lyrium addiction happens from the first couple of sips as Alistair and others mention. The effects of this build up so that later in life, the Templar is basically suffering from dementia and loss of memory. THIS though as seen in Origin should take decades otherwise there would be no Templars older than Cullen yet we do see multiple older Templars in origin.

 

Now lyrium withdrawl, yes that does affect Cullen but that's a different affliction than what Cullen is suffering from in this slide.

 

Like I said, this is a slide to pull at the heart strings and as another poster mentions, it pretty much makes it a binary choice.....unless you're a dick, the game offers you absolutely no reason to have Cullen stick with lyrium even though

 

re: Seekers

I don't think seekers can be a replacement for the Templars due to low numbers.  My impression from Dawn of the Seeker to DA2 through Asunder to DAI that becoming a seeker has a relatively high mortality rate (talk with Cassandra about it).  Across the media presented, can you name 5 seekers other than Cassandra and Lambert 

[Beren Von Ostwick]

Like I said, this is a slide to pull at the heart strings and as another poster mentions, it pretty much makes it a binary choice.....unless you're a dick, the game offers you absolutely no reason to have Cullen stick with lyrium even though

You should never make that decision based on what you see in the epilogue slides.  Why?  Because your Inky, when faced with that decision, does not have that knowledge.  RPG 101.

[Sealaria]

I never choose for him to take lyrium, glad now I tell him to kick it each time.

[Bleachrude]

I've been playing since the gold box era...of course I know you're not supposed to peak at the end....but that doesn't change the fact that it is categorically a "bsd" ending. Worse, it's a bad ending which in-game has no upside...

[Kingthlayer]

 

Like I said, this is a slide to pull at the heart strings and as another poster mentions, it pretty much makes it a binary choice.....unless you're a dick, the game offers you absolutely no reason to have Cullen stick with lyrium even though

 

 

I figured the way the quest was heading it would have ended with the possibility of replacing Cullen.  And since, I thought I read before the game came out that we can rid ourselves of companions and advisers throughout the game based on choices, I figured this was my way to get Cassandra back in the war room where she belongs.

 

It wasn't, but hopefully they fix all import bugs before I import bugs so my next Inquisitor can see this slide.  I never liked Cullen, never thought he was deserving of his position, I mean ****, the first time Corypheus attacks his big plan is to just die.  Way to go commander lawl.

[Its Waffle Time]

This just goes to show we don't give ~some~ of the writers any due, we just lambaste them all.

Its the same as a Qun-loyal IB... who (if anyone) called him betraying us? Sure there wasn't much added dialogue to it, but it wasn't needed either. Our NPC friends even said so, he was going to betray us eventually, he was even honest about it. 

 

+1 for the Cullen ending, although I always make him stop taking it... I have to be (in 99% of the time) the eternal good guy. My friends need to have the best ending, and my enemies need to die.

[Mr.House]

When?? I never see it!

Just before you enter the temple, Cullen and some of the Inquisitor soldiers are fighting red templars, he wears his helmet there.

[TheRevanchist]

Just before you enter the temple, Cullen and some of the Inquisitor soldiers are fighting red templars, he wears his helmet there

 

Really?? I never paid attention...will have to try to notice next time.

[Deebo305]

Well...hopefully my Templar inquisitor goes through Seeker training with Cass

Suck wbout Cullen, he was a bro, well any Cullen who was told to take Lyrium.

[CoM Solaufein]

Glad I always make him not take it. That's a fate worse than a heroin addict.

[Korva]

I feel as though this epilogue clearly make the decision pretty binary. There is good and bad decision. Where is the benefit to choosing the bad choice? 

 

I'm not sure what the benefit would be, here. It's not quite as obviously a bad idea as herding the Iron Bull back under the Qun with a gift-wrap bow around each horn, but we do know that lyrium can have really nasty effects. If you tell him to stay on it, you are essentially saying "I don't care what it will do to you in the long run, nor for all the work you put into resisting it". No wonder he leaves. Without his duty to his troops, what else is there for him?

 

Furthermore, this reflects VERY badly on any of the Divines since it means that unless Cullen gets off the juice, there's NO sanatorium re-established for older Templars? Even Leliana just ignores the issue - same leliana that's all about providing a shining example of how the chantry should act - yeah, kicking to the curb your most faithful servants who sacrificed their minds for you kind of contradicts this...

 

It's Cassandra whom I'd most expect to do something about it, actually. As a Seeker, templars were her charges in a way, and if memory serves she even mentions making things better for templars who want to leave when she speaks about what she would do as Divine. But, yes, it's a shame and a complete oversight by the writers.

[Captmorgan72]

That's bad news for my Templar. He really likes his powers. 

[SicSemper T Rex]

 Oh this is so awesome.

I haven't played Trespasser with my preferred (mage) world state yet but I've had it in for him ever since Origins. Two counts of attempted genocide and abducting Bethany. Revenge will be sweet.

[Nixou]

Cullen has probably been on the juice for a little bit long than Alistair has been a grey warden and in origins, I was given the distinct impression that the after effects of lyrium dementia was about the same time frame as the warden's calling  - about 25 years.

 

 

That's assuming Cullen has kept the normal dosing.

 

Given that he's been tortured by a possessed mage and forced to watch his comrades torn apart, then spent years under a new commander who went mad with paranoia and watched helplessly the Mage-templar war starting under his watch, then discovered that Meredith was barely an outlier and that between the paranoids, the prejudiced bullies, the sociopathic rapists and the weak willed templars succumbing to peer pressure, the Templar Order -his life's vocation- had probably become too corrupt to be salvaged.

Then an immortal magister from Ancient Tevinter ripped the sky apart. Then he learned that what he thought was merely a weird apostate was in fact an elven false god who had manipulated the Magister and the Inquisition in doing his bidding.....

 

I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of Trespasser, Cullen's lyrium's consumption mirrored House's vicodin chewing.

[Dabrikishaw]

Good. Seems like a reasonable consequence.

[Toasted Llama]

Was fearing my Cullen-mancing evil overlord mage was going to get too much of a happy outcome... Or at least, Cullen would get too much of a happy-ever-after with an evil overlord mage.

 

 

Looks like she can give him the future he deserves after all!

 

 

 

Brb, crying because that ending is really sad.

[Chlorite]

This is dark o_o

 

I am impressed by the bold consequences the writters implemented. (same for the Qun Bull)

 

I nearly kept him on lyrium (at some point it seemed like a sensible choice to wait just a bit to get him of the product, not to have him suffer from withdrawall in the heat of combat).

 

I backed off because I doubted we could get second chances.

 

That made me see the other ending with a better perspective.

[Wulfram]

I dislike the anti-drug PSA nature of this Cullen plot line. I mean I always have him keep off the lyrium because the game was already distinctly unsubtle about it, but this just hammers it even harder.

I mean I agree with the lesson, I just don't like being preached to.

[Jackie1776]

I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of Trespasser, Cullen's lyrium's consumption mirrored House's vicodin chewing.

 

Also, if he's buying it in the streets instead of getting regular doses from his employer, who knows the quality that he's getting? He may have ended up ingesting some of the red stuff out of desperation, too. So yes, I find his rapid decline to be believable.

[Mr.House]

I dislike the anti-drug PSA nature of this Cullen plot line. I mean I always have him keep off the lyrium because the game was already distinctly unsubtle about it, but this just hammers it even harder.

I mean I agree with the lesson, I just don't like being preached to.

That's not the point of Cullens plotline, the point is him getting over the mistakes he has made, cutting his leash and at last becoming his own man, by not cutting his leash and never solving his own issues he will fall apart. That's the point of this story, not a drug PSA.

[Toasted Llama]

I dislike the anti-drug PSA nature of this Cullen plot line. I mean I always have him keep off the lyrium because the game was already distinctly unsubtle about it, but this just hammers it even harder.

I mean I agree with the lesson, I just don't like being preached to.

 

 

Soooo.... The slide should've just shown Cullen being in a field of flowers, rainbows and puppies?

 

 

I mean, I don't see how this is preaching to the anti-drugs PSA, the epilogue slides are there to give you an idea of what happens to the companions you spend time with in DA:I, having a slide show up that Cullen descended into madness because of the lyrium (a substance that was known to give negative effects to the user, the negative effects are vital to the story and the Chantry's influence) was predictable.

[Knight of Dane]

You know, I am all for some choices just being all out bad, but so far in Inquisition they have all been painfully obvious such as this and Bull staying with the Qun.

 

Oh well, at least I always told him to hop off it. That Templar dude by the Denerim's chantry was a "light" case so I always steered far away from lyrium consuption in game choices

 

I wonder how Templar Carver will end up...

[Wulfram]

Soooo.... The slide should've just shown Cullen being in a field of flowers, rainbows and puppies?
 
 
I mean, I don't see how this is preaching to the anti-drugs PSA, the epilogue slides are there to give you an idea of what happens to the companions you spend time with in DA:I, having a slide show up that Cullen descended into madness because of the lyrium (a substance that was known to give negative effects to the user, the negative effects are vital to the story and the Chantry's influence) was predictable.

It wasn't primarily this slide that makes it an anti-drug PSA, but the choice in the main game. This slide just drops the anvil on those too stubborn to take the right choice, I guess.

The whole thing is just "Drugs are bad m'kay, but you can beat them with willpower and the help of your friends!" It takes a stock story and does nothing with it.

[actionhero112]

What if, by taking lyrium Cullen could prevent a major disaster in the game, like a character dying. Maybe like Josephine is being attacked by a crazy blood mage, and Cullen doesn't have the strength to save her without taking the lyrium. If you do give him the lyrium, he saves Josie. If you don't give it to him, she dies.

 

Now that's a choice to agonize over. As it is now it's just like, do I give my friend a highly addictive substance? Oh and if you do he's doomed to die a wretched creature. Pretty black and white.

[Ryzaki]

Was fearing my Cullen-mancing evil overlord mage was going to get too much of a happy outcome... Or at least, Cullen would get too much of a happy-ever-after with an evil overlord mage.

 

 

Looks like she can give him the future he deserves after all!

 

 

 

Brb, crying because that ending is really sad.

 

I'm pretty sure you can't get this ending if you romanced Cullen.

 

He dumps you if you try to force him to take lyrium forever.