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[Brianman27]

CRYING

 

YOU DONT UNDERSTAND

 

When DA: I was announced, and I heard Cullen was romanceable, I LOST MY DANG MIND. I played a lady mage in DA: Origins the 2nd time around and loved it (Ultimate sacrifice ending). Played DA 2 with mage hawke and learned that my flipping COUSIN had died to save Ferelden.

 

The first thing I did with DA: Inq wasn't a debate at all for my character. Right away I made a human mage and went straight for Cullen.

 

Omfg lyrium is evil. These writers are evil. This is awful and fantastic.

 

I think you need friends or a boyfriend.

PD: A real one.

[Cobra's_back]

It's Cassandra whom I'd most expect to do something about it, actually. As a Seeker, templars were her charges in a way, and if memory serves she even mentions making things better for templars who want to leave when she speaks about what she would do as Divine. But, yes, it's a shame and a complete oversight by the writers.

Well maybe she tried to help Cullen but couldn't. Just maybe he was too far gone.

 

"When he was thirteen years old, a visiting knight-captain took notice of Cullen's hard work and offered him the chance of formal training. His parents agreed to the request, as the Templar Order was known to be a respectable and honorable profession, and they wanted to give their son the opportunity to have a life he would be happy with."

 

 

Let's remember Cullen joined the Templars at 13 because he wanted to help people stay safe. He was one of many boys who joined. Do you think these children were told the truth? The Chantry/Templar order was the first to betray him, the mages tortured him, Meredith his boss went postal on him, and his new boss and friend pushed him to take more drugs. Seems to me this is not just an issue of drugs, but also of betrayal and not by just one source.

 

If the goal was originally to do good, and keep people safe working in a respectable and honorable profession, then everything he reached for was a lie.  Pushing drugs on someone is doing your best to destroy them. Now Cullen sees a world where he can't trust anyone or anything. Templars/Chantry and too of his bosses totally destroyed him.

[Cantina]

I think you need friends or a boyfriend.

PD: A real one.

 

<Sighs> You know this crap gets old.

 

Someone enjoys a character in a game/book whatever and there is always someone who comes along and assumes the person needs a real relationship.

 

These are probably the same people who spend time drooling over porn and playing whack the weasel with themselves. To them that is OK, having a photo, video etc of a fictional or non-fictional person or persons; but someone who enjoys RPing ...goodness forbid they need someone real.

 

This comment is just as bad as listening to the insults second grade kids use on the play-ground.

 

Nothing wrong with enjoying something. Does not mean the person is lonely etc. Having such feelings/thoughts about fictional characters can be healthy as long as one does not cross the line into crazy obsession land.

[Toasted Llama]

I'm pretty sure you can't get this ending if you romanced Cullen.

 

He dumps you if you try to force him to take lyrium forever.
 

 

Really?

 

****, well... forever alone Evil Overlord it is!

[stop_him]

 

Let's remember Cullen joined the Templars at 13 because he wanted to help people stay safe. He was one of many boys who joined. Do you think these children were told the truth? The Chantry/Templar order was the first to betray him, the mages tortured him, Meredith his boss went postal on him, and his new boss and friend pushed him to take more drugs. Seems to me this is not just an issue of drugs, but also of betrayal and not by just one source.

 

Why I wish the "cop out" choice of "take lyrium now, but we'll find another way later, also got a bad ending. 

[Toasted Llama]

Why I wish the "cop out" choice of "take lyrium now, but we'll find another way later, also got a bad ending. 

 

Wait, that choice doesn't get the bad ending?

 

Pfffft. So much disappointment.

[zestalyn]

I don't have any videos/screenshots on me, but whats really depressing about the lyrium route is the letter his sister sends him, as well as his reaction when you ask about his family in Trespasser. No wonder so many templars not only go coocoo, but by losing so many memories of their childhod, family, etc, they essentially lose a chunk of their identity and personality. They make the perfect cogs in the machine, easily to manipulate.

 

I don't know everything about Seekers but IMO the Templar Order just needs to go, and the Seekers should increase recruitment and replace them. That would mean less numbers in the ranks that protect the public against magic, since Seeker training is so intense and specialized and they own so many secrets, but if you buffer the system with more checks and balances I think it would ultimately make more sense than having an entire military order of people slowly losing their minds.

[Bleachrude]

I don't have any videos/screenshots on me, but whats really depressing about the lyrium route is the letter his sister sends him, as well as his reaction when you ask about his family in Trespasser. No wonder so many templars not only go coocoo, but by losing so many memories of their childhod, family, etc, they essentially lose a chunk of their identity and personality. They make the perfect cogs in the machine, easily to manipulate.

 

I don't know everything about Seekers but IMO the Templar Order just needs to go, and the Seekers should increase recruitment and replace them. That would mean less numbers in the ranks that protect the public against magic, since Seeker training is so intense and specialized and they own so many secrets, but if you buffer the system with more checks and balances I think it would ultimately make more sense than having an entire military order of people slowly losing their minds.

 

Not sure you can really blame the chantry...it might actually _BE_ a numbers game since Cassandra herself mentions that most fail the vigil (and I'm guessing "fail the vigil" is pretty much code for "remain tranquil"). Throw in the amount of training that is supposed to be at least the equal of templars if not above (and remember, templars have the fighting abilities of knights which BY ITSELF made them one of the most highly trained forces in Thedas) and yeah, I can see where the Templars make a better option.

 

There's also the point that the Chantry itself might not know about how seekers are created. The seekers themselves were outside of Chantry control and only answerable to the Divine herself and even Cassandra herself admits that the seekers technically aren't under the control of the Divine. Plus the fact that the original inquisition used templars and seekers and the only way the original agreement would work (inquisition would become the wardens) WAS with the templars being around.

[Crimson Vanguard]

HA Good Riddance.

[JD Buzz]

My atheist Reaver Inquisitor forced Cullen to take lyrium permanently. She wanted him to die a slow and painful death. This ending is satisfying 

[Rekkampum]

SPOILER WARNING:

 

As even the game has pounded into our heads many times Lyrium is BAD, if Cullen continues to take Lyium in base game this is his fate.

 

Cullen dies and will never appear in future DA games again. 

 

His life after the Inquisition is a painful one full of suffering as he decends down into Lyrium Madness caused by the continue use of taking Lyrium. In such a sad state where Cullen can no longer remember who he is and is just a Lyrium Addict, Scout Harding performs a mercy kill to spare Cullen from his suffering. A action all his former friends agreed was the right choice even Leliana.

 

 

The still doesn't clarify whether Harding killed him or not.

[Illegitimus]

My atheist Reaver Inquisitor forced Cullen to take lyrium permanently. She wanted him to die a slow and painful death. This ending is satisfying 

 

And people complain that you can't be an evil inquisitor...

[Cobra's_back]

And people complain that you can't be an evil inquisitor...

Good point. Pushing someone who is fighting for your team to continue taking drugs just to see them die slowly is right up there with the choice demon turning people into potting soil for Red Lyrium.

 

I'm sure they could take the demon's offer as well.

[CrimsonN7]

I wonder how that convo goes if you got a temp spec. I don't think I'll ever create an inky to put him/her on the juice.

[Cantina]

One thing I don't get with this lyrium choice is: You can tell Cullen, "Will find a better way."

 

Uh. Whats a better way?

 

So he goes off lyrium has withdrawal symptoms but is getting through it.

 

Then the Inquisitor comes along, tells him go back on it, but then turns around and is like, "After this done will find a better way."

 

Uh? What?

 

Why not just leave him off the **** if your going to take him off of it again later? Its not like he does anything better with the forces of the Inquisition.

 

Beyond that...what the hell is a better way? Either you take the lyrium or you don't. I suppose you could ween him off it slowly, but that is just silly. Its not like Cullen won't have the headaches, the sleeplessness etc.

 

IMO if the player chose this option there should have been a slide for it. Since there is not I really don't see the purpose of putting him back on it.

[TableCollector]

Absolutely heartbreaking. I told him to continue taking temporarily but after watching through his "no-lyrium" romance I do feel bad. I assumed that him quitting cold turkey at such a stressful time would do more damage than good to both the inquisition and his mental/physical well being. He even mentions that some people die during withdrawal so he'd be going through withdrawal with the added stress of the inquisition.

But after seeing the no-lyrium infused romance he was clearly a lot more free. Unlike my play through where he felt defeated through our relationship. During Trespasser

Spoiler

at least he's completely clean after two years.

The relationship was sweet but I still feel pretty bad.