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[Spacemannegie]

Did the DLC Trespasser confirm that Solas killed Felassan? If so, why?

[Abyss108]

Spoiler

Yeah, he did. I don't think they 100% confirmed he struck the killing blow, but he was behind it. 

 

He did it because Felassan was helping the modern elves and ignoring orders. Solas has some banter in the main game where he talks to Sera about removing people who are no longer useful to your cause and becoming a danger.

[Boost32]

Yes, Cole says something about a slow arrow (Felassan) being broken in the jaws of a sad wolf, because he started seen the them (I think the modern elves) as people.

[S.W.]

Spoiler

Solas also confirms as much when you ask him about about how he controls the eluvians in Trespasser. He mentions that they were originally under the control of Briala, and that he had sent an agent to acquire the passcode, but the agent had become too sympathetic to Briala, so he had to get rid of the agent and unlock the eluvians manually. This can only really be referring to Felassan - in the final chapter of TME, he's asked for the passcode which he doesn't have, and is killed.

 

Honestly, it was the only Solas revelation that hit me by surprise in the DLC. I mean, damn, Solas, that's cruel.

[solomon.kosin]

Everyone is so angry about Solas killing Felassan, but in the game Leliana tried to:1) kill the agent, who betrayed her in Haven (pretty much what Solas did),2) she said she had to sacrifice her agents, who could see cory come at skyhold and 3) tried to kill natalie, who did not even made an attempt to attack
But Leliana is a nice red-head and Solas is ***

[Morroian]

Spoiler

Solas also confirms as much when you ask him about about how he controls the eluvians in Trespasser. He mentions that they were originally under the control of Briala, and that he had sent an agent to acquire the passcode, but the agent had become too sympathetic to Briala, so he had to get rid of the agent and unlock the eluvians manually. This can only really be referring to Felassan - in the final chapter of TME, he's asked for the passcode which he doesn't have, and is killed.

 

Honestly, it was the only Solas revelation that hit me by surprise in the DLC. I mean, damn, Solas, that's cruel.

 

Spoiler

Why was it a surprise? The allusions were pretty heavy in the book once we knew who Solas was. 

[Beren Von Ostwick]

Everyone is so angry about Solas killing Felassan, but in the game Leliana tried to:1) kill the agent, who betrayed her in Haven (pretty much what Solas did),2) she said she had to sacrifice her agents, who could see cory come at skyhold and 3) tried to kill natalie, who did not even made an attempt to attack
But Leliana is a nice red-head and Solas is ***

 

I have no emotional investment in Natalie or Butler, so yeah, they cross my spymaster at their own peril and it sucks to be them. Felassan I came to respect and admire as I read The Masked Empire.  The ending shocked me.   And I've never said crazy McStabby is nice.  She's pleasant, sure, but nice... eh, no

[wright1978]

Everyone is so angry about Solas killing Felassan, but in the game Leliana tried to:1) kill the agent, who betrayed her in Haven (pretty much what Solas did),2) she said she had to sacrifice her agents, who could see cory come at skyhold and 3) tried to kill natalie, who did not even made an attempt to attack
But Leliana is a nice red-head and Solas is ***

 

Yeah for me if Felassen went off reservation and betrayed Fen'harel, then i have no issue whatsoever with his decision.

[solomon.kosin]

I have no emotional investment in Natalie or Butler, so yeah, they cross my spymaster at their own peril and it sucks to be them. Felassan I came to respect and admire as I read The Masked Empire.  The ending shocked me.   And I've never said crazy McStabby is nice.  She's pleasant, sure, but nice... eh, no

Yeah the emotional connection does its own share. I too feel sorry for poor Fel, but the fact still is - they both think the same way: if the person betrays you, if you cannot trust him anymore - kill him.

[Shechinah]

Cole: "His friend had to die because he thought they were people. A slow arrow breaks in the sad wolf's jaws"

[DarkKnightHolmes]

It was so obvious Fan'Harel killed him. I can't believe some people actually tried to argue that it wasn't him back then. 

[S.W.]

Everyone is so angry about Solas killing Felassan, but in the game Leliana tried to:1) kill the agent, who betrayed her in Haven (pretty much what Solas did),2) she said she had to sacrifice her agents, who could see cory come at skyhold and 3) tried to kill natalie, who did not even made an attempt to attack
But Leliana is a nice red-head and Solas is ***

It's partially down to expectation. Leliana was established as someone ruthless - but furthermore, she can be stopped. Solas, however, is not - a lot of his establishing character moments in the Hinterlands involve him giving out approval for helping refugees and ordinary folk, he's actually pretty compassionate, even if his demeanour is cold and distant.

Spoiler

It's a shock, then, to see Felassan killed because he supports Briala's goal to help the elven people - a goal, one assumes, Solas would be on board with, until we discover exactly how limited his definition of 'people' is. And unlike Leliana, his mind can't be changed. Well, not yet, anyway.

Also, Felassan is Best Elf. You don't just kill Best Elf.
 

Spoiler

Why was it a surprise? The allusions were pretty heavy in the book once we knew who Solas was.

Spoiler

A couple of things: Fen'Harel removed the valaslin of former slaves - he had no markings of his own, in the same way he had no slaves of his own. Contrast: Felassan had valaslin himself, so it's quite possible that he was working for another master - perhaps a different member of the elven pantheon. Felassan's numerous stories about Fen'Harel could be interpreted as minor ways of rebelling against his master.

Until Trespasser, I also thought Fen'Harel's character motivations and ambitions were far more benevolent than they actually are.

[solomon.kosin]

Spoiler

It's a shock, then, to see Felassan killed because he supports Briala's goal to help the elven people - a goal, one assumes, Solas would be on board with, until we discover exactly how limited his definition of 'people' is. And unlike Leliana, his mind can't be changed. Well, not yet, anyway.

 

 

I think here the point is not about supporting elven people, but in sole fact  Felassan did actually betray his master - he intentionally failed the task and felt compassionate for the other party. Solas could not spare Felassan's life cause the later, most probably, knew some of his master's plans and secrets. If left alive, who knows, he could tell everything Briala, and she could decide to stand against Fen'Harel. So, better to take measures

[Dancing_Dolphin]

Finding out Fellesan was indeed working for Solas was as gut wrenching as finding out what his plans are for Thedas. Ugh, it still makes me ill to think about it.

[KumoriYami]

Yeah Solas killed him. Cole does mention someone attacking him and leaving a scar, and if you look at Solas in Trespasser he has a new scar on the right side of his face which could have come from an arrowhead.

[Statare]

Um. It was not really justified. Felassan at best keeps Briala safe from Celene and Gaspard. He does not betray his master, for he probably knew when push comes to shove Solas would get control of the network, which he does by Trespasser. There are many ways to deal with someone, killing them is not the only way.

 

I'm glad we finally have some closure on the Solas story, as now it's pretty clear Corypheus is the foil for Solas, not just the Inquisitor. Corypheus seeks to claim the power of the gods to "champion withered Tevinter and correct this blighted world." Now think about what our dear friend Solas says, that he wants to restore the Elvhen Empire and correct a mistake. Solas is playing God just as much as Corypheus ever wanted. He has and will kill potentially millions of individuals on a whim to enact the change he wants in the world. Corypheus may destroy the world if he fails, Solas will destroy the world if he succeeds. Plus he may have tried or have killed Mythal, so he's just as bad, if not worse now than the Pantheon. Good on Felassan for seeing that, although Felassan was complacent in the murder of an entire Clan by demon, and in all the events of Solas awakening by not more directly opposing Solas. All Felassan did is give Briala an edge over Gaspard and Celene, which by the end of DAI can be meaningless.

 

Also it is pretty clear that Felassan was involved in the first place of pissing Briala off the Dalish by not feeding them the information Briala wanted them to have so their meeting is rough and strained, and definitely getting the clan to summon Imshael so that the key for the network could coincidently be acquired. Felassan is a bad person too, guys. Helping Briala a tad does not make him good.

[TeaLulu]

Yes, Solas killed Felassan, before even meeting the Inquisitor.

 

Solas is ruthless.  This is very clear.

 

And, uh, @Statare, I highly doubt he killed Mythal when Flemeth got turned to stone. More likely he just made her move onto another host while taking some of her power to replenish his own. But he very clearly cares about her, there is some history there we know nothing of. She'll be back. She wants vengeance. Possibly on not only the Evanuris, but I can see her wanting to get vengeance on Solas too. "I was betrayed just as she was betrayed, as the world was betrayed!" Solas creating the veil surely betrayed the world.

[Solas]

Everyone is so angry about Solas killing Felassan, but in the game Leliana tried to:1) kill the agent, who betrayed her in Haven (pretty much what Solas did),2) she said she had to sacrifice her agents, who could see cory come at skyhold and 3) tried to kill natalie, who did not even made an attempt to attack
But Leliana is a nice red-head and Solas is ***

more like because Felassan had characterization and people liked him whereas Butler and Natalie were just random nps

 

woops u already replied to this from someone else mybad

[Lady Nuggins]

Everyone is so angry about Solas killing Felassan, but in the game Leliana tried to:1) kill the agent, who betrayed her in Haven (pretty much what Solas did),2) she said she had to sacrifice her agents, who could see cory come at skyhold and 3) tried to kill natalie, who did not even made an attempt to attack
But Leliana is a nice red-head and Solas is ***

 

I have a hard time seeing those as equivalent, since Felassan wasn't arming an enemy, he was trying to convince Solas to give modern elves a chance to rebuild themselves before he destroyed them. If he'd wanted to, Felassan probably could have gone back to Briala at any time and asked her for the code, since she was willing to give it to him already. He didn't irreparably damage Solas' plans. He delayed them, with the intent of trying to convince him to take a different route, but apparently Solas would rather have him dead for defying him than tell him to go back and fix it.

 

The only way this reasoning makes sense is if the modern elves are truly Solas' enemy. He clearly sees (or saw) them as such. Felassan did not think they needed to be. I wonder whether Solas would have done the same thing now, since he seems (if you've raised his approval, I think) more willing to see this world as real than he did before.

 

What I'm curious about is, does Solas say what he actually did to Briala? Is she dead? Or does she serve him now? In my playthrough, she was still fighting against Celene as a rebel, and all Solas said was that he regained control from her.

[solomon.kosin]

I have a hard time seeing those as equivalent, since Felassan wasn't arming an enemy, he was trying to convince Solas to give modern elves a chance to rebuild themselves before he destroyed them. If he'd wanted to, Felassan probably could have gone back to Briala at any time and asked her for the code, since she was willing to give it to him already. He didn't irreparably damage Solas' plans. He delayed them, with the intent of trying to convince him to take a different route, but apparently Solas would rather have him dead for defying him than tell him to go back and fix it.

The only way this reasoning makes sense is if the modern elves are truly Solas' enemy. He clearly sees (or saw) them as such. Felassan did not think they needed to be. I wonder whether Solas would have done the same thing now, since he seems (if you've raised his approval, I think) more willing to see this world as real than he did before.

What I'm curious about is, does Solas say what he actually did to Briala? Is she dead? Or does she serve him now? In my playthrough, she was still fighting against Celene as a rebel, and all Solas said was that he regained control from her.

I already said that Solas could not be 100% sure Felassan wont turn against him or give away his plans/secrets. So he killed Felassan to prevent possible betrayal.

About Briala: in my playthrough she arrived as marquise at Winter palace and was spending time with Celene. So she is certainly not dead

[Lady Nuggins]

I already said that Solas could not be 100% sure Felassan wont turn against him or give away his plans/secrets. So he killed Felassan to prevent possible betrayal.

About Briala: in my playthrough she arrived as marquise at Winter palace and was spending time with Celene. So she is certainly not dead

 

Killing to prevent possible betrayal is really not the same as killing after an actual betrayal. Felassan still did his job by helping remove control of the eluvian from a powerful demon and putting it in the hands of an elf who could have been an asset. This is just classic super villain logic, killing off minions out of retaliation for failure when they could have potentially still been valuable. 

 

Hmm, so I wonder if this means Briala works for Solas now. 

[Renmiri1]

Spoiler

Solas also confirms as much when you ask him about about how he controls the eluvians in Trespasser. He mentions that they were originally under the control of Briala, and that he had sent an agent to acquire the passcode, but the agent had become too sympathetic to Briala, so he had to get rid of the agent and unlock the eluvians manually. This can only really be referring to Felassan - in the final chapter of TME, he's asked for the passcode which he doesn't have, and is killed.

 

Honestly, it was the only Solas revelation that hit me by surprise in the DLC. I mean, damn, Solas, that's cruel.

On the contrary, it can not refer to Felassan because when Felassan met Briala she was not in control of the Eluvians. He was pretty much the guy to gave it to her.

 

So no, that sentence  can't be talking about Felassan

[solomon.kosin]

Killing to prevent possible betrayal is really not the same as killing after an actual betrayal. Felassan still did his job by helping remove control of the eluvian from a powerful demon and putting it in the hands of an elf who could have been an asset. This is just classic super villain logic, killing off minions out of retaliation for failure when they could have potentially still been valuable.

Hmm, so I wonder if this means Briala works for Solas now.

It is said in the slides that servant elves were gone, isn't it? And Briala's army was a large one and consistent of servant elves. i think that fits her personality-she was always struggling to make life for elves better. Wonder how that will reflect on her relationships with Celene

[Cz-99]

Yeah, that Nazi killed the only decent elf in the series.

[MaaEnyo]

Yeah Solas killed him. Cole does mention someone attacking him and leaving a scar, and if you look at Solas in Trespasser he has a new scar on the right side of his face which could have come from an arrowhead.

 

Cole says "He did not want a body. But she asked him to come. He left a scar when he burned her off his face.” wich has different connotations if he's talking about Solas. IIRC that's Cole's only mention of a scar in Trespasser. And i saw no new scars on Solas' face; what you're saying contradicts the timeline we have. Trespasser takes place in Dragon 9:44, Inquisition takes place in Dragon 9:42, and Solas tells us in Trespasser that he had awoken about a year prior to the Inquisition, so sometime around Dragon 9:41; can't remember if The Masked Empire gives us any date but judging from the plot there it must have been around 9:41 as well.  Felassan had to enter the Fade, special herbs and everything, to talk to him, so either that's how the communicated in the absence of mobile phones or TME takes place shortly before Solas woke up. In either case, he wouldn't have a new scar from an arrow almost 3 years after the supposed attack, when during Inquisition only a year later he didn't have it. I don't know what you saw as a scar from an arrow? He has only one, in his forehead over his right brow, wich might be the scar Cole mentioned. Can't be a scar caused by Felassan fighting back because he never got the chance to react, Solas killed him mid-sentence. 

 

And about that, i think he killed Felassan not only because he had started seeing modern elves as people, but because he was about to say Briala reminded him of Solas. Solas saw everyone much like Tranquils after he woke up, he didn't see them as people, but Felassan was about to say not only they're people, but people like him.  That would not only jeopardize his plans if Felassan were to take Briala's side, but i imagine it made Solas have second thoughts too.