A Number of theories about the nature of the world of Thedas, and predictions for the future [Spoilers All]
#1
Posté 12 septembre 2015 - 07:32
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#2
Posté 12 septembre 2015 - 07:50
#3
Posté 12 septembre 2015 - 07:54
#4
Posté 12 septembre 2015 - 09:24
Very well written, OP.
But gameplay wise, BW has to include rogues and warriors as a playable class for the PC. And I thought being a dreamer is only possible when you are a mage? Even though being one is very plausible.
I guess the next PC could be given a dreamer-like abilities much like the Inquisitor was given the Anchor even though they were not a mage.
#5
Posté 13 septembre 2015 - 03:42
Where do humans and Qunari come from according to you? Just curious.
Great question! Humans, I think, are originally spirits who managed to cross the veil like Cole did. There are very clear timeline discrepancies between the fall of Elvhenan and the rise of Tevinter. Supposedly, Tevinter destroyed Arlathan, but this HAD to have been a very long time after the creation of the Veil. Surely the Magister dreamers, who previously would have been able to alter reality itself, would have noticed such a reduction in their power. I don't think humans existed at the time of the creation of the Veil. I think Solas created the Veil, went to sleep, then during the intervening time Elven culture started to fall apart due to the loss of the Fade. Eventually, spirits like Cole crossed the Veil, resulting in the first humans.
The Qunari, I believe, are the result of experimentation by Tevinter, a fusion of Kossith/Scaled Ones and Elves. We are told that, "their blood is not their own," and that they have an affinity for dragons. Dragons, notably, have scales and sharp teeth, as do Scaled Ones. I'm unfortunately unable to find a citation, but I THINK I recall dragons being referred to as the "lifeblood of the earth" or something to that effect somewhere in Dragon Age. This would imply a connection to the Stone for them. This is interesting as well, because they can house Spirits as well. Perhaps this is why Yavana said the survival of the Dragons was essential to the survival of the world. The Chronicles of a Forgotten War codex takes place during the time of the Imperium (about the size of Imperial humans, covered in scales). In Descent, we learn the last time the Titan awoke was when the Magisters breached the veil. I propose that this caused earthquakes opening the Abyss. The Magisters captured a number of Scaled Ones, possibly known as Kossith, who we know fought the dwarves during the time of the Imperium.
Very well written, OP.
But gameplay wise, BW has to include rogues and warriors as a playable class for the PC. And I thought being a dreamer is only possible when you are a mage? Even though being one is very plausible.
I guess the next PC could be given a dreamer-like abilities much like the Inquisitor was given the Anchor even though they were not a mage.
Thanks.
That's exactly what I think they could do. Maybe you could be an escaped slave, the bastard son of a douchebag Tevinter Magister who bred you for use in some ritual (ability to be any race). Feynriel, for example, was a half-elf. The Inquisitor recruits you with the knowledge that Solas is a Dreamer, and a Dreamer he isn't familiar with will be required to stop him.
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#6
Posté 13 septembre 2015 - 05:32
#7
Posté 13 septembre 2015 - 11:26
I'm gonna actually read this after I post (hehe) but yes I will play a Dreamer. Bring it.
Actually nevermind, I read it.
I don't agree with it all but I like the gist.
The magic is returning and will be will magical so I'm not concerned about race selection (if it happens, and I want it to), and class may have all Warrior/Rogue/Mage have relatively more magicalness. (But maybe Mages may still get more magical options in story) It may be very controversial to have this happen, but it'll be mitigated by the whole thing in the plot about magic coming throughout Thedas, not just a protagonist (which was more the case in DAI's Inquisitor).
I don't think Dreamers are necessarily the top-level power but I think they're close.
I completely disagree with us having a protagonist for multiple games. Why do people keep insisting this cr...stuff? Or do you mean just being an important NPC? In that case, sure.
#8
Posté 13 septembre 2015 - 11:42
Hmm assuming the maker/the tevinter creator diety does indeed exist how would he fit into this. I mean the early proto-Tevinter human tribes and the later Ancient Tevinter clearly viewed him as a creator diety but one that wasn't active involved in the world unlike the Old Gods which is why they started worshiping them though they continued to knowelege him/it.
#9
Posté 14 septembre 2015 - 12:24
I wish people would stop insisting that Tevinter destroyed the Arlathan.
#10
Posté 15 septembre 2015 - 08:58
I completely disagree with us having a protagonist for multiple games. Why do people keep insisting this cr...stuff? Or do you mean just being an important NPC? In that case, sure.
I'm aware of Bioware's statements about "one world, different characters," but frankly, I really don't think that works very well in the longer-term because you'll have to grapple with the issue of getting rid of all the badass previous player characters running around, and there's only so much you can do before the explanations get forced and clunky.
Additionally, I think the stuff involving Dreamers, Solas, and the Forgotten Ones would require more than one game to address.
#11
Posté 15 septembre 2015 - 09:14
I'm aware of Bioware's statements about "one world, different characters," but frankly, I really don't think that works very well in the longer-term because you'll have to grapple with the issue of getting rid of all the badass previous player characters running around, and there's only so much you can do before the explanations get forced and clunky.
Additionally, I think the stuff involving Dreamers, Solas, and the Forgotten Ones would require more than one game to address.
I think Thedas has a long history of badass characters and ought to have more, instead of being chained to the story of one protagonist.
#12
Posté 15 septembre 2015 - 09:15
The Scaled Ones wore Tevinter robes. That's quite a bit too late for them to have opposed the Elvhen.
Not the case, actually. They were about the size of an Imperium human, and wore robes, but the robes themselves are never compared to Tevinter.
http://dragonage.wik...a_Forgotten_War
Also, there's a fresco of what appears to be a scaled one (notice the lack of horns, though) in the Temple of Dirthamen
http://dragonage.wik...iki/Scaled_Ones
I wish people would stop insisting that Tevinter destroyed the Arlathan.
And I wish people would pay attention when they read, but alas, we can't all get what we want:
There are very clear timeline discrepancies between the fall of Elvhenan and the rise of Tevinter. Supposedly, Tevinter destroyed Arlathan, but this HAD to have been a very long time after the creation of the Veil.
Whatever interaction Tevinter had with the Elves was well after the creation of the veil, Elven mortality, and a significant decline. This is made clear by The Elves were totally reliant on the Fade, and the Veil seriously messed up their society. I wouldn't at all be surprised if it precipitated a social collapse, and if Tevinter encountered any civilization in the Arlathan Forest, it was at best a shadow of its former self, and at worst, a pitiful attempt at recreating their empire.
#13
Posté 15 septembre 2015 - 09:18
I think Thedas has a long history of badass characters and ought to have more, instead of being chained to the story of one protagonist.
A long history of badass characters, yes, but that's just it- a long history, as opposed to swarms of badasses who rose from obscurity in a time of crisis wandering Thedas at the same time. The more that exist the harder it is to justify going to someone new to solve a problem.
#14
Posté 15 septembre 2015 - 11:13
Well, that was an interesting read.
We cannot assume what kind of protagonist the next game will have, but I agree with the rest. I think it's plausible too.
#15
Posté 16 septembre 2015 - 02:40
#16
Posté 16 septembre 2015 - 03:34
Dwarves don't dream or so they say.
#17
Posté 16 septembre 2015 - 12:54
Hi OP do you have a youtube channel your points are really spot on. I would love to be a dreamer in the next DA game we would be freakin powerful.
I do not, but now that you mention it, it could be fun to put something together.
This was basically a rough draft of the general gist of my theories, and was written to be posted to Reddit (hence the formatting is messed up), but sitting down and rewriting things to be more formulaic, then verbally walking people through the theory with visual aids could also be really good. I've never done any video editing, though.
First and foremost, I wanted to get the post out there so as not to get scooped on some things.
The Evanuris being dreamers is, in my opinion, so strongly supported as to be all but undeniable. I wouldn't be surprised if someone else independently derived it at some point before me. There's been sufficient evidence to derive that particular conclusion since at least the Inquisition epilogue, and I've been considering it a likely possibility for as long. Them being abominations is a bit tinfoily, but I think there are implications in favor of it, and it would go a long way in explaining things. Still, I could very much be wrong on that count.
I also have some revisions to make regarding the Elven war of Apotheosis. The Forbidden Ones were banished for abandoning the People, casting aside form, and fleeing to where, "the earth couldn't reach them." Earth has repeatedly been used as a synonym for "Titan." Thus, I believe the Forbidden Ones were banned during or at the end of this conflict, and as the Evanuris are gods at the time of banishing, we know that it must have happened during the war with the Titans. We know the dwarves, at least, were in Union with the Titans. Given what the Spirits say about magic, I believe the Ancient Elves wanted to take the Earth and mold it like the Fade, which you can't really do according to the Spirits. The earth rings with its own harmony, and you have to listen to it.
http://dragonage.wik...ntive_Listeners
If you do the murals with Gatsi, one of them has an illustration of the Black City and he says it's just all wrong. Anyone with any stone sense can tell you those structures can't exist.
I think the ancient dwarves had a sort of hivemind with the Titans, in the song together. The Shapers were their equivalent of Dreamers, able to listen to and prevent themselves from being lost in the Song, and ultimately nudge it towards their purposes. Hence they "Shape" the stone, whereas with the Fade, you can change what everything is altogether.
Mythal sundered a Titan, winning the war for the Elves, they do their magic stuff on the Earth (Arlathan, etc). As a consequence of something here, the Blight was created deep underground, and then they sealed it off. Or perhaps it's related to the Kossith, who also seem to be Children of the Stone.
#18
Posté 16 septembre 2015 - 06:07
A long history of badass characters, yes, but that's just it- a long history, as opposed to swarms of badasses who rose from obscurity in a time of crisis wandering Thedas at the same time. The more that exist the harder it is to justify going to someone new to solve a problem.
I take this as being an important time for Thedas. A time for many important individuals to arise, both through manipulation of deities and through elevation of these characters into deities themselves.
So where you see a bad justification, I see the best justification. A growing story and a point to many heroes rising.
#19
Posté 16 septembre 2015 - 06:17
I hope that we'll be able to fuse with one of the Evanuris the way Mythal did with Flemeth. That would give us great power boost and a fighting chance against Solas Fen'Harel in a battle. I want my Human Tevinter Necromancer to fuse with Fanlon'Din, god of the Dead. Then I shall rule all of Theads as the God of Death! Muwhahaha!
Not as crazy as it sounds. If Solas destroys the Veil sufficently enough the Evanuris will be able to escape. And they'll be pissed as the Dread Wolf for an eternity of imprisonment.





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