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A Number of theories about the nature of the world of Thedas, and predictions for the future [Spoilers All]


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In Trespasser, a lot of information is revealed about the ancient elves, such as the [confirmation of the fact that the Elven gods were just powerful mages](http://dragonage.wik...of_the_Evanuris). We also learn that the veil did not exist, and elves and spirits inhabited the world together.  
 
In Dragon Age 2, we learned that a half-elf mage named [Feynriel](http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Feynriel) is a dreamer.  Dreamers are mages with an exceptional connection to fade who are able to enter and change it at will, with the ability to manipulate it to create or kill.  However, they are also particularly sensitive to demons, and in danger of possession.  [Solas](http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Solas), later to be known as Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf, is a dreamer.  We also know that the Evanuris, the ancient Elven Gods, and their followers, were rather [prone to excess in their disputes](http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Vir_Dirthara:_Raising_the_Sonallium).  In the [trespasser codices, we see two of the Evanuris disagree, but Mythal, the protector, prevents this by CONVINCING TO LET TWO CHAMPIONS FIGHT TO THE DEATH](http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Vir_Dirthara:_Duel_of_a_Hundred_Years).  We also see that the Elves and spirits interacted very closely, [particularly with regards to magic](http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Vir_Dirthara:_Attentive_Listeners).
 
I propose that the Evanuris were originally powerful dreamers who had merged with powerful spirits, much in the way of Anders/Justice.  This gave them tremendous power over the world, because it was unified with the Fade.  I need to replay it, but I believe in Trespasser, we only see Solas really work incredible magic when in the crossroads, which is an artificial construct of the Fade.  In earlier codex entries, we read about how the elves went hunt the "pillars of earth" whose workers scurry witless, and whose **deaths will be a blessings**.  These refer to the Titans and the dwarves, and the elves didn't consider the dwarves being guided by the titans to be people due to their lack of a connection to the fade, when in reality the dwarves had the Stone.  In Trespasser, we learn the [results of this](https://imgur.com/a/1AMYP).  Mythal (abomination of compassion), who according to Solas (abomination of choice) deeply cares for her people, defeats/sunders a titan, giving the elves lordship over the dwarves (control of its demesne), severing their hivemind connection with the stone, the stone's equivalent to the fade through the titans, and using them to mine lyrium and "something else" that is dangerous in the Abyss.  They then use this to have the dwarves mine lyrium for them, and [do other tasks](http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Vir_Dirthara:_Signs_of_Victory).  However, The unchanging world is delicate: spells of power invite disaster and annihilation. The unchanging world is stubborn: the pull of the earth fiercely resists making fire run like water or stone rise like mist.  Look at that picture of the sundered titan.  If that isn't a spell of power, I don't know what is.  However, as Solas says of Mythal, the first of my kind are not so easily destroyed.  I don't believe she entirely killed the titan, or perhaps there was another titan that was angry over the sundering.  Eventually, the Evanuris uncover something terrible in the deep roads.  
 
I believe this to have been the [Scaled Ones](http://dragonage.wik...iki/Scaled_Ones).  The elves are terrified by what they have unleashed, and seal it away beneath the incredibly deep and rich lyrium mines in the deep roads called they named the Abyss, saying, "let this place be forgotten."  I believe the Scaled Ones to be the wrath of the titans, because the stone seems to change to suit their purposes.  Much later, the dwarves encounter them (this will be explained),  the Scaled Ones raid Cad'Halash, the [stone seems to have betrayed the dwarves](http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Chronicles_of_a_Forgotten_War), with the lights in the deep roads spontaneously going out to facilitate the scaled ones' attacks.
 
Alternatively (and less likely in my opinion), the text from the spirits teaching about magic and the physical world may be, "there's a reason things are how they are, don't **** with it" and the titans had been actively shaping the earth to protect their Dwarves and Thedas from the Scaled Ones.
 
Regardless, I believe this conflict, between the Elves under the Evanuris, and the Scaled Ones, after the sundering of the Titan, to have been conflict that Solas says saw them initially rise to godhood.  Mythal and the Evanuris were powerful dreamers merged with powerful spirits capable of doing amazing things, who had just come off of the success of Mythal defeating a Titan.  They uncover the Scaled Ones, and naturally the powerful dreamers with the ability to alter reality become the leaders of the Elven (and possible dwarven slave) forces.  The [Forbidden Ones are primarily spirits who didn't aid the Elven forces in this conflict, and thus were banished as punishment after its conclusion, and are actually relatively small fish, hence we're killing one per game](http://dragonage.wik..._Forbidden_Ones).
 
Eventually, Solas grows tired of them proclaiming their godhood, and begins to free elves.  Eventually, an elf named Geldauran who was either freed by Solas or discovered the truth himself, sought ought the Abyss and the Scaled Ones and the corrupted/sundered titan for help seeking revenge against the Evanuris.  [He sought others to help him, and they collectively became the Forgotten Ones, waiting until they could strike out in mastery against the Gods.](http://dragonage.wik...ldauran's_Claim)  This is why Fen'Harel was able to walk amongst both groups as a friend.  At some point around this time, the Evanuris became angry with Mythal, as they considered it her fault for having sundered the titan and starting this whole mess, and murdered her.  
 
Eventually, they came to mastery through magic they learned in the Abyss, and created the Blight and came to assault the Elven gods and their followers and slaves they despised.  This internal conflict threatened to destroy the elves, so Solas brought them together for peace talks, possible in Arlathan or the current location of Skyhold, whose original name in Elven translates to, "the place where the sky was held back" i.e. where the veil was created.  He created the veil, separating them from their spirits, and sealing the spirits into dragons, much in the way Hakkon was sealed into a high dragon.  This also sealed the dreamers in the fade.  However, the Forgotten Ones still seek vengeance on the spirits they viewed as the source of the excesses of the Evanuris, and thus the Blight seeks them out to corrupt them and force them to the surface with the intent of their destruction.  This is why Solas is horrified by the Grey Wardens purpose of killing the Archdemons and destroying the Old God soul.  Morrigan's ritual is designed to capture the spirit at the archdemon's death, and move it into a new vessel (Kieran), purifying it of the Blight.  However, a soul or spirit cannot forcibly take another, as evidenced by the Avvar augur ritual and what Flemeth says regarding Kieran in the crossroads.   
 
I believe the Old Gods are the rebellious forgotten ones who were sealed in the Abyss by Solas's spell, and that the meeting was taking place in the fade, and the Forgotten Ones were rebellious dreamers in particular.  The same spell that created the veil sealed them both away. Thus, when he destroys the veil, the Forgotten Ones will be released with the Evanuris.
 
**What does this mean for the future?"
 
At the end of Trespasser, the Inquisitor and company state they must find new people that Solas doesn't know to stop him, and stab a knife into Tevinter.  We know from Dorian that magic runs in bloodlines, and that the Magisters essentially play Crusader Kings when setting up marriages to produce powerful mages.  Further, Dreaming is still an existing talent in the Imperium.  I believe the next player character is going to be a Tevinter who gets recruited by the Inquisitor, and is discovered to be a dreamer.  The Inquisition is either disbanded or under the control of Vivienne, Cassandra, or Leliana, but its full might will not be available regardless due to the risk of spies.  Solas's plot will gradually unfold, likely after something involving a war between Tevinter and the Qunari.  I believe Solas will succeed, or partially succeed, but will really cause major earthquakes unleashing the darkspawn on Thedas.  The Forgotten Ones and sundered Titan will ultimately be behind all of it.  Mythal, however, still exists, and despite her flaws, doesn't want the world to fail.  She makes a number of what I considering to be important predictions.  In Dragon Age 2, she tells Hawke, "We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly."  The quest to Adamant in Inquisition is called "Into the Abyss."  I believe this is foreshadowing that Hawke will be able to survive being left in the Fade.  Further, she tells Loghain in "The Stolen Throne," "You've rage enough inside you, tempered into a blade of fine steel. Into whose heart will you plunge that one day, I wonder?" which may further foreshadow his ability to survive the same or a different incident.  I could see it unfolding that only Hawke can survive the Fade, only Loghain, the leader of men, can survive Weisshaupt and rally the wardens in the event of Solas's veil-sundering causing the darkspawn to find the remaining two archdemons, and Alistair is needed to lead Ferelden.
 
Thus, as Dreamers are the top-tier power level in the Dragon Age Universe, I believe this character will ultimately be the "big deal character" for Dragon Age.  I think it would be very interesting if, as conflicts expanded and unfolded, a character like Hawke may return as a companion, due to his status as an individual badass but not a major leader.  
 
This character is going to be part of the fight against Solas under the leadership of the Inquisitor, who may not survive things.  Solas constantly trying to right the world and always making it worse, and causing the death of his Lavellan would be tragic for him.  Then, the Blight and Forgotten Ones will become a threat, with this Dreamer character forced to rally Thedas and the Qunari against it.
 
I believe the Qunari to be the result of experiments after the Magisters breached the Golden City.  They sought to use the power of the Blight to become gods after theirs had fallen silent.  After the earthquakes after the breaching released the Scaled Ones, Tevinter experimented on the Scaled Ones, who were either called Kossith, or the Kossith were the intermediate evolutionary stage between the Scaled One-Elf mix using blood magic.  The Qun is an attempt by the Qunari to get to the roles that they had as Scaled Ones in a hive mind with the Stone.
 
TL;DR
 
Evanuris were abominations, Solas is going to sunder the veil and release the Forgotten Ones with the Evanuris, also causing a double blight. Hawke and possibly Loghain survive the Fade. The next main character will be a Tevinter dreamer who has story potential for multiple games and will be badass.

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Well written sir. Becoming a dreamer would be awesome. The lore you propse is very plausible.

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Where do humans and Qunari come from according to you? Just curious.

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Very well written, OP.

 

But gameplay wise, BW has to include rogues and warriors as a playable class for the PC. And I thought being a dreamer is only possible when you are a mage? Even though being one is very plausible.

 

I guess the next PC could be given a dreamer-like abilities much like the Inquisitor was given the Anchor even though they were not a mage.



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Where do humans and Qunari come from according to you? Just curious.

 

Great question!  Humans, I think, are originally spirits who managed to cross the veil like Cole did.  There are very clear timeline discrepancies between the fall of Elvhenan and the rise of Tevinter.  Supposedly, Tevinter destroyed Arlathan, but this HAD to have been a very long time after the creation of the Veil.  Surely the Magister dreamers, who previously would have been able to alter reality itself, would have noticed such a reduction in their power.  I don't think humans existed at the time of the creation of the Veil.  I think Solas created the Veil, went to sleep, then during the intervening time Elven culture started to fall apart due to the loss of the Fade.  Eventually, spirits like Cole crossed the Veil, resulting in the first humans.

 

The Qunari, I believe, are the result of experimentation by Tevinter, a fusion of Kossith/Scaled Ones and Elves.  We are told that, "their blood is not their own,"  and that they have an affinity for dragons.  Dragons, notably, have scales and sharp teeth, as do Scaled Ones.  I'm unfortunately unable to find a citation, but I THINK I recall dragons being referred to as the "lifeblood of the earth" or something to that effect somewhere in Dragon Age.  This would imply a connection to the Stone for them.  This is interesting as well, because they can house Spirits as well.  Perhaps this is why Yavana said the survival of the Dragons was essential to the survival of the world.  The Chronicles of a Forgotten War codex takes place during the time of the Imperium (about the size of Imperial humans, covered in scales).  In Descent, we learn the last time the Titan awoke was when the Magisters breached the veil.  I propose that this caused earthquakes opening the Abyss. The Magisters captured a number of Scaled Ones, possibly known as Kossith, who we know fought the dwarves during the time of the Imperium.

 

Very well written, OP.

 

But gameplay wise, BW has to include rogues and warriors as a playable class for the PC. And I thought being a dreamer is only possible when you are a mage? Even though being one is very plausible.

 

I guess the next PC could be given a dreamer-like abilities much like the Inquisitor was given the Anchor even though they were not a mage.

Thanks.

 

That's exactly what I think they could do.  Maybe you could be an escaped slave, the bastard son of a douchebag Tevinter Magister who bred you for use in some ritual (ability to be any race).  Feynriel, for example, was a half-elf.  The Inquisitor recruits you with the knowledge that Solas is a Dreamer, and a Dreamer he isn't familiar with will be required to stop him.


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The Scaled Ones wore Tevinter robes. That's quite a bit too late for them to have opposed the Elvhen.

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I'm gonna actually read this after I post (hehe) but yes I will play a Dreamer. Bring it.

 

Actually nevermind, I read it.

 

I don't agree with it all but I like the gist.

 

The magic is returning and will be will magical so I'm not concerned about race selection (if it happens, and I want it to), and class may have all Warrior/Rogue/Mage have relatively more magicalness. (But maybe Mages may still get more magical options in story) It may be very controversial to have this happen, but it'll be mitigated by the whole thing in the plot about magic coming throughout Thedas, not just a protagonist (which was more the case in DAI's Inquisitor).

 

I don't think Dreamers are necessarily the top-level power but I think they're close.

 

I completely disagree with us having a protagonist for multiple games. Why do people keep insisting this cr...stuff? Or do you mean just being an important NPC? In that case, sure.



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Hmm assuming the maker/the tevinter creator diety does indeed exist how would he fit into this. I mean the early proto-Tevinter human tribes and the later Ancient Tevinter clearly viewed him as a creator diety but one that wasn't active involved in the world unlike the Old Gods which is why they started worshiping them though they continued to knowelege him/it.



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I wish people would stop insisting that Tevinter destroyed the Arlathan. 



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I completely disagree with us having a protagonist for multiple games. Why do people keep insisting this cr...stuff? Or do you mean just being an important NPC? In that case, sure.

I'm aware of Bioware's statements about "one world, different characters," but frankly, I really don't think that works very well in the longer-term because you'll have to grapple with the issue of getting rid of all the badass previous player characters running around, and there's only so much you can do before the explanations get forced and clunky.

Additionally, I think the stuff involving Dreamers, Solas, and the Forgotten Ones would require more than one game to address.



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I'm aware of Bioware's statements about "one world, different characters," but frankly, I really don't think that works very well in the longer-term because you'll have to grapple with the issue of getting rid of all the badass previous player characters running around, and there's only so much you can do before the explanations get forced and clunky.

Additionally, I think the stuff involving Dreamers, Solas, and the Forgotten Ones would require more than one game to address.

 

I think Thedas has a long history of badass characters and ought to have more, instead of being chained to the story of one protagonist.



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The Scaled Ones wore Tevinter robes. That's quite a bit too late for them to have opposed the Elvhen.

Not the case, actually.  They were about the size of an Imperium human, and wore robes, but the robes themselves are never compared to Tevinter.

http://dragonage.wik...a_Forgotten_War

 

Also, there's a fresco of what appears to be a scaled one (notice the lack of horns, though) in the Temple of Dirthamen

http://dragonage.wik...iki/Scaled_Ones

 

I wish people would stop insisting that Tevinter destroyed the Arlathan. 

 

And I wish people would pay attention when they read, but alas, we can't all get what we want:

 

 

 

There are very clear timeline discrepancies between the fall of Elvhenan and the rise of Tevinter.  Supposedly, Tevinter destroyed Arlathan, but this HAD to have been a very long time after the creation of the Veil. 

 

Whatever interaction Tevinter had with the Elves was well after the creation of the veil, Elven mortality, and a significant decline.  This is made clear by   The Elves were totally reliant on the Fade, and the Veil seriously messed up their society.  I wouldn't at all be surprised if it precipitated a social collapse, and if Tevinter encountered any civilization in the Arlathan Forest, it was at best a shadow of its former self, and at worst, a pitiful attempt at recreating their empire.

 



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I think Thedas has a long history of badass characters and ought to have more, instead of being chained to the story of one protagonist.

A long history of badass characters, yes, but that's just it- a long history, as opposed to swarms of badasses who rose from obscurity in a time of crisis wandering Thedas at the same time.  The more that exist the harder it is to justify going to someone new to solve a problem.



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Well, that was an interesting read.

 

We cannot assume what kind of protagonist the next game will have, but I agree with the rest. I think it's plausible too.



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Hi OP do you have a youtube channel your points are really spot on. I would love to be a dreamer in the next DA game we would be freakin powerful.

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Dwarves don't dream or so they say.



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Hi OP do you have a youtube channel your points are really spot on. I would love to be a dreamer in the next DA game we would be freakin powerful.

I do not, but now that you mention it, it could be fun to put something together.

 

This was basically a rough draft of the general gist of my theories, and was written to be posted to Reddit (hence the formatting is messed up), but sitting down and rewriting things to be more formulaic, then verbally walking people through the theory with visual aids could also be really good.  I've never done any video editing, though.

 

First and foremost, I wanted to get the post out there so as not to get scooped on some things.

 

The Evanuris being dreamers is, in my opinion, so strongly supported as to be all but undeniable.  I wouldn't be surprised if someone else independently derived it at some point before me.  There's been sufficient evidence to derive that particular conclusion since at least the Inquisition epilogue, and I've been considering it a likely possibility for as long.  Them being abominations is a bit tinfoily, but I think there are implications in favor of it, and it would go a long way in explaining things.  Still, I could very much be wrong on that count.
 

I also have some revisions to make regarding the Elven war of Apotheosis.  The Forbidden Ones were banished for abandoning the People, casting aside form, and fleeing to where, "the earth couldn't reach them." Earth has repeatedly been used as a synonym for "Titan."  Thus, I believe the Forbidden Ones were banned during or at the end of this conflict, and as the Evanuris are gods at the time of banishing, we know that it must have happened during the war with the Titans.  We know the dwarves, at least, were in Union with the Titans.  Given what the Spirits say about magic, I believe the Ancient Elves wanted to take the Earth and mold it like the Fade, which you can't really do according to the Spirits.  The earth rings with its own harmony, and you have to listen to it.

http://dragonage.wik...ntive_Listeners

 

If you do the murals with Gatsi, one of them has an illustration of the Black City and he says it's just all wrong.  Anyone with any stone sense can tell you those structures can't exist.

I think the ancient dwarves had a sort of hivemind with the Titans, in the song together.  The Shapers were their equivalent of Dreamers, able to listen to and prevent themselves from being lost in the Song, and ultimately nudge it towards their purposes.  Hence they "Shape" the stone, whereas with the Fade, you can change what everything is altogether.

 

Mythal sundered a Titan, winning the war for the Elves, they do their magic stuff on the Earth (Arlathan, etc). As a consequence of something here, the Blight was created deep underground, and then they sealed it off. Or perhaps it's related to the Kossith, who also seem to be Children of the Stone.



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A long history of badass characters, yes, but that's just it- a long history, as opposed to swarms of badasses who rose from obscurity in a time of crisis wandering Thedas at the same time.  The more that exist the harder it is to justify going to someone new to solve a problem.

 

I take this as being an important time for Thedas. A time for many important individuals to arise, both through manipulation of deities and through elevation of these characters into deities themselves.

 

So where you see a bad justification, I see the best justification. A growing story and a point to many heroes rising.



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I hope that we'll be able to fuse with one of the Evanuris the way Mythal did with Flemeth. That would give us great power boost and a fighting chance against Solas Fen'Harel in a battle. I want my Human Tevinter Necromancer to fuse with Fanlon'Din, god of the Dead. Then I shall rule all of Theads as the God of Death! Muwhahaha!

Not as crazy as it sounds. If Solas destroys the Veil sufficently enough the Evanuris will be able to escape. And they'll be pissed as the Dread Wolf for an eternity of imprisonment.