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[ComedicSociopathy]

And... 

 

Alright, so another freak and/or weirdo is part of the Inquisition. No surprise there. I mean, I think it's pretty fair to say that the Inquisition has more in common with a sideshow grotesquerie than an actual military organization. 

[Urzon]

Well... This puts an added component into the Divine election.

 

What do you want first? The first mage Divine or possibly the first Spirit/Ghost Divine (if you killed her in DAO)?

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

back in DA Origins, the mountain where the Sacred Ashes where located had ghost guarding it. Those Ghost is revealed to be sustained by Lyrium if Oghren is with the group and the Mountain is completely covered in it.

Wait one eggless second! Oghren was USEFUL???
Give me a sec I need a moment.

[Tamyn]

Yes, you coward. ;__;

 

I like variety in my world states. (And I never had her in my party. )

[Dai Grepher]

Me after that ending:

 

Spoiler

 

I know who did it. It was...

 

Spoiler

Red Herring!

 

No, seriously, that's what Leliana's note is. Never trust an epilogue slide.

[Dai Grepher]

back in DA Origins, the mountain where the Sacred Ashes where located had ghost guarding it. Those Ghost is revealed to be sustained by Lyrium if Oghren is with the group and the Mountain is completely covered in it.

 

Oghren said no such thing. Plus, Inquisition has a chore table mission indicating that the Guardian (if he was not slain) moved the ashes to a different location, and he yet lives. Lyrium had nothing to do with it.
 

[Rawgrim]

Makes no sense at all. If she is a ghost, how come she can get so badly brutalized during that time travel mission in Redcliffe? And why does she need help with her personal mission during DA:I? +...you know...She wants to become The Divine badly. Surely she knows campaigning for that is rather dumb is she is a ghost?

[Rawgrim]

I think people need to remember that if you kill her, you KILLED her. Show me any revival that was not done without spirits, blight or very strong magic (that is not gameplay)

 

This is the only plausible way to explain her revival.

 

Anders can be killed without him ever encountering Justice in DA: Awakening.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Oghren said no such thing. Plus, Inquisition has a chore table mission indicating that the Guardian (if he was not slain) moved the ashes to a different location, and he yet lives. Lyrium had nothing to do with it.
 

He actually does, I've taken him there.

[darkway1]

This just demonstrates how poor the writing is.......next game,CLEAN SLATE.

[leaguer of one]

This just demonstrates how poor the writing is.......next game,CLEAN SLATE.

Note how you're  so incorrect.

[Heimdall]

He actually does, I've taken him there.

I believe e just notes the existence of lyrium veins in the mountain. He doesn't link them with the ghosts.

[leaguer of one]

Oghren said no such thing. Plus, Inquisition has a chore table mission indicating that the Guardian (if he was not slain) moved the ashes to a different location, and he yet lives. Lyrium had nothing to do with it.
 

 

 

I believe e just notes the existence of lyrium veins in the mountain. He doesn't link them with the ghosts.

 

Wrong. At 1:15  Not only does he talk about the lyrium, he asks if the urn or the mountain is magical and directly ask the guardian what is keeping him alive.

[leaguer of one]

Makes no sense at all. If she is a ghost, how come she can get so badly brutalized during that time travel mission in Redcliffe? And why does she need help with her personal mission during DA:I? +...you know...She wants to become The Divine badly. Surely she knows campaigning for that is rather dumb is she is a ghost?

Cole is a ghost as well. So....

[Mr.House]

Makes no sense at all. If she is a ghost, how come she can get so badly brutalized during that time travel mission in Redcliffe? And why does she need help with her personal mission during DA:I? +...you know...She wants to become The Divine badly. Surely she knows campaigning for that is rather dumb is she is a ghost?

Cole.It's also red lyruim so no surprise that a body made from lyruim would get it EVEN worse from tainted lyruim. 

 

Anders can be killed without him ever encountering Justice in DA: Awakening.

That really has nothing to do with what I said since Justice always revives him if he died.

[In Exile]

Oghren said no such thing. Plus, Inquisition has a chore table mission indicating that the Guardian (if he was not slain) moved the ashes to a different location, and he yet lives. Lyrium had nothing to do with it.
 

 

Oghren said there was a lot of lyrium in the mountain, and implied it could account for the healing powers of the ashes. He didn't tie the lyrium to the fade creatures (and they were fade creatures - they turn into "ash wraiths" if you kill fail the riddles). 

[Dai Grepher]

He actually does, I've taken him there.

 

No he doesn't. You're not remembering it in exact terms. He feels lyrium running all through the mountain, and he wonders how much of the temple is magical vs. lyrium influenced. He then asks the Guardian what exactly is keeping him alive. Which means he doesn't know. Which means his was just a hypothesis.

 

And like I wrote, the chore table confirms that the Guardian can move the urn to a new location. It was never the lyrium.
 

[Dai Grepher]

I believe e just notes the existence of lyrium veins in the mountain. He doesn't link them with the ghosts.

 

He doesn't link them with the ghosts as a certainty, but he speculates there could be a link.
 

[Dai Grepher]

Cole is a ghost as well. So....

 

A ghost possessing a human body. It is revealed in his personal quest.

 

Leliana on the other hand would need a new body, or would otherwise have to exist without one.
 

[Heimdall]

He doesn't link them with the ghosts as a certainty, but he speculates there could be a link.

Maybe.

Though I have to wonder at the chances that Andraste's Disciples just happened to choose a mountain of lyrium as her tomb.

[Dai Grepher]

Oghren said there was a lot of lyrium in the mountain, and implied it could account for the healing powers of the ashes. He didn't tie the lyrium to the fade creatures (and they were fade creatures - they turn into "ash wraiths" if you kill fail the riddles). 

 

Yeah, but he doesn't say that's the case for certain. Which was what I pointed out to the person I replied to, though the discussion was about the Guardian, not the urn.

 

They may not have been Fade creatures. Those may have been the spirits of those historical figures. Failing their question might summon a guardian spirit (ash wraith). The Holy Brazier codex and the Ash Wraith codex both confirm that the ash wraiths of the temple are created from the loyal followers of Andraste who fasted, placed a black pearl in their mouths, and then immolated themselves in the Holy Brazier so they could continue to exist in the real world as guardians.

[Dai Grepher]

Maybe.

Though I have to wonder at the chances that Andraste's Disciples just happened to choose a mountain of lyrium as her tomb.

 

Some messages from (I think) Leliana's personal quest in Inquisition stated that the follower who gathered Andraste's ashes (and was wounded) took them back to Andraste's home country. He was healed by the ashes on the way there, and he was guided to that location.

 

I think the official story is that the site itself used to be one of Mythal's temples, which is why Mythal's tile picture shows up in the final fight with Corypheus. So this follower of Andraste probably found the ruins, and then had more followers build over the top of it.

 

As for the lyrium. It probably has something to do with Mythal killing a titan there. Or maybe the lyrium grew toward the temple because magical things were happening there. It's also possible Mythal's followers were extracting lyrium from that location.
 

[Phoe77]

I thought that Cole just replicated the human Cole's body instead of possessing something.  Solas says very clearly that he's possessing nothing and nobody.  

 

I also just reread the report for Upon the Waking Sea, and I can't see anything in it that implies that the guardian could not have been sustained in whatever form by the lyrium.  Nothing explicitly says that the Guardian was still there or that anyone from the Inquisition actually met him.  Even if they had, however, who is to say that someone that's "brought back" by lyrium would then need to stay in close proximity to it afterwards?  Heck, who's to say there isn't a load of lyrium under the island he moved the urn to?

[Heimdall]

Some messages from (I think) Leliana's personal quest in Inquisition stated that the follower who gathered Andraste's ashes (and was wounded) took them back to Andraste's home country. He was healed by the ashes on the way there, and he was guided to that location.
 
I think the official story is that the site itself used to be one of Mythal's temples, which is why Mythal's tile picture shows up in the final fight with Corypheus. So this follower of Andraste probably found the ruins, and then had more followers build over the top of it.
 
As for the lyrium. It probably has something to do with Mythal killing a titan there. Or maybe the lyrium grew toward the temple because magical things were happening there. It's also possible Mythal's followers were extracting lyrium from that location.

Or maybe... It was the Maker! 

 

Pre-DAI I actually had a theory that lyrium was the essence of the Maker, still present in his creation, and I speculated that was why the lyrium was so concentrated on this mountaintop (Despite usually being found deep underground).  I was wrong, but also kinda right.  Could there be a Titan link to Andraste?  Who knows...

[Dean_the_Young]

Or maybe... It was the Maker! 

 

Pre-DAI I actually had a theory that lyrium was the essence of the Maker, still present in his creation, and I speculated that was why the lyrium was so concentrated on this mountaintop (Despite usually being found deep underground).  I was wrong, but also kinda right.  Could there be a Titan link to Andraste?  Who knows...

 

I subscribe to the "Andraste was an Old God Baby" theory- in which Andraste was the soul of dumat reborn- via dark ritual- and my pet theory is that the Titans were in on it somehow. 

 

Granted, I also believe that a Titan was somehow involved in the sinking of Arlathan- but hey.