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[kimgoold]

Who else thinks Solas could have saved Inquisitor's arm but chose instead to cripple a worthy opponent?

 

I also think Solas is a brilliant villain who see's no problem committing heinous acts when it suits his purposes, he could very well be drawing in the modern elves to sacrifice them as he doesn't see them as people to save His People who may still be in an undisclosed location in Uthenara. 

 

Solas has no problem lying about anything to anyone, he knew about the war between the Evanura and the Titans. 

 

He (Solas) see's no problem with decimating all living things ... plants, animals and all races of Thedas, I thought that was the definition of Monster!

[BansheeOwnage]

Who else thinks Solas could have saved Inquisitor's arm but chose instead to cripple a worthy opponent?

I do find it implausible that the person who created the mark and its magic, as well as the veil itself, couldn't remove it from the Inquisitor even at full power. Though apparently he did remove it, but the arm withered and had to be amputated. Would have been nice if that was explained. And I don't know why it would have withered.

[Big I]

Something I noticed in DA:I was an attempt to make it's antagonists more "Loghain-esque", i.e. someone who lets their worthy goal drive them towards horrible ends. They did it in the codex (and in World of Thedas vol. 2) with Maferath, by portraying his betrayal of Andraste as being about ending a war he thought unwinnable. Now they're doing it with Solas, by destroying the world to restore the elves (although wtf that even means is beyond me. Creating new elves? Waking elves from uthenara? Who knows.).

 

Meredith, the Arishok, the Architect, they're all like that to one extent or another. Even villains that don't really work (Petrice, Corypheus, the Viddisala) are sort of like that.

[jurisper]

Not really on topic, but do we get any idea of exactly *when* Solas created the Veil? I don't recall anything.

 

My pet theory is that it somehow led to the creation of humans (and elves as we know them - and qanari and dwarves?). At any rate, if human and elves can breed, then it's a fair guess they come from the same stock.

 

In the next game, if there is one, we'll see some kind of tension between Solas' elfy chauvinism and this common descent, I would guess.

[Big I]

Not really on topic, but do we get any idea of exactly *when* Solas created the Veil? I don't recall anything.

 

Over two thousand years ago, that's how long the Imperium's existed. Abelas recognises the Inquistor as shemlen, which means there was a name for non-elf peoples during his lifetime. If we assume that Abelas lived through the fall of the elven empire (likely given Temple of Mythal codex entries) then the Veil was created some time between the arrival of humans and the rise of Tevinter.

[jurisper]

Over two thousand years ago, that's how long the Imperium's existed. Abelas recognises the Inquistor as shemlen, which means there was a name for non-elf peoples during his lifetime. If we assume that Abelas lived through the fall of the elven empire (likely given Temple of Mythal codex entries) then the Veil was created some time between the arrival of humans and the rise of Tevinter.

 

But do we have any good info on how long it took from Solas forming the Veil until the eleven fall? Abelas says something to the effect that Tevinter's victory was just carrion-eaters picking over a corpse. Maybe the decline took a very long time & started before humans appeared.  Or no?

[Heimdall]

I do find it implausible that the person who created the mark and its magic, as well as the veil itself, couldn't remove it from the Inquisitor even at full power. Though apparently he did remove it, but the arm withered and had to be amputated. Would have been nice if that was explained. And I don't know why it would have withered.

I don't find it implausible at all. Solas isn't at full power. He absorbed the power Mythal had gathered over the centuries, which while considerable was still the power of a fragment.

[BansheeOwnage]

I don't find it implausible at all. Solas isn't at full power. He absorbed the power Mythal had gathered over the centuries, which while considerable was still the power of a fragment.

Well, to be fair, neither of us has proof one way or the other. But if he wasn't at full power, wow.

[Mr.House]

If Solas gets any stronger, then it will have to be a massive battle to do it justice if he is fought. Like The Father vs everyone in FMA:B

[BansheeOwnage]

If Silas gets any stronger, then it will have to be a massive battle to do it justice if he is fought. Like The Father vs everyone in FMA:B

Even with his current power, it would take something like the Titans or the Evanuris to match him. And I do think we'll see Titans in the next game.

 

Or, they could have the protagonist have some sort of immunity to his abilities or get an eleventh-hour superpower to fight him, but that could end up being lame in a hundred different ways. We'll see.

[Mr.House]

Even with his current power, it would take something like the Titans or the Evanuris to match him. And I do think we'll see Titans in the next game.

 

Or, they could have the protagonist have some sort of immunity to his abilities or get an eleventh-hour superpower to fight him, but that could end up being lame in a hundred different ways. We'll see.

The big thing Bioware needs to to keep this threat in gameplay. This is a big issue many CRPGs fall prey to. DAO and DAI did it, TW3 did it and many others have. They build up to this unstoppable evil and then it gets rejkt in gameplay. When stuff like Broodmother, Flemeth, Saarath ect just have more of a impact and are harder then the Archdemon or Coryfish something is wrong.

[BansheeOwnage]

The big thing Bioware needs to to keep this threat in gameplay. This is a big issue many CRPGs fall prey to. DAO and DAI did it, TW3 did it and many others have. They build up to this unstoppable evil and then it gets rejkt in gameplay. When stuff like Broodmother, Flemeth, Saarath ect just have more of a impact and are harder then the Archdemon or Coryfish something is wrong.

I agree, it's very weird when stuff like that happens. It makes me wonder if they should have some fights play out in cutscenes instead so they wouldn't have to balance them for combat in the first place. I don't know though...

[9TailsFox]

The big thing Bioware needs to to keep this threat in gameplay. This is a big issue many CRPGs fall prey to. DAO and DAI did it, TW3 did it and many others have. They build up to this unstoppable evil and then it gets rejkt in gameplay. When stuff like Broodmother, Flemeth, Saarath ect just have more of a impact and are harder then the Archdemon or Coryfish something is wrong.

Are you seriously comparing Flemeth immortal god puppet master. With Coryfish some idiot whit god complex. The only reason he still alive is blight and because he can't die. If not he would be killed by some random unimportant warden #145

[9TailsFox]

I agree, it's very weird when stuff like that happens. It makes me wonder if they should have some fights play out in cutscenes instead so they wouldn't have to balance them for combat in the first place. I don't know though...

You mean like Kai leng beating Shepard in cutcene. Outcry would be glorious.

 

DA4 protagonist: Solas I will stop you!!

Solas. [Blink and turns him to statue.]

[Mr.House]

I agree, it's very weird when stuff like that happens. It makes me wonder if they should have some fights play out in cutscenes instead so they wouldn't have to balance them for combat in the first place. I don't know though...

It's even worse for Coryfish since he was far harder in DA2, yet here he is stronger then ever yet he's not only easy in just this game, but crap compared to his enjoyable fight in DA2.

[vertigomez]

*puts on tinfoil hat*

"Mathas gar na fornen pa salroka atrast. The Stone lives beneath Orlais."

eta; oh yeah, and Leliana's research into Tug's creepy blade inscription. "Mathas gar na fornent pa tot isatunoll," which maaaaybe refers to the dwarves being Titan-y bits? I regret the sacrifice of my kin, but it means we will find our way back to [what we were]? Are the dwarves channeling Solas now?

ehhhhh

[Almostfaceman]

The world was somehow more like the Fade - more influenced by thought. I'm not sure we'd even call that geological.

And it might not have been a wave of the staff. My own theory is that Solas is pulling in all those elves not to save them but for a blood magic ritual. He'll burn all their lives to rip off the Veil.

 

Well you pulled that theory right out of your butt, since it's not dependent on anything we've seen in the story. 

[BansheeOwnage]

You mean like Kai leng beating Shepard in cutcene. Outcry would be glorious.

 

DA4 protagonist: Solas I will stop you!!

Solas. [Blink and turns him to statue.]

Well, hopefully that wouldn't happen, but it is a risk. A cutscene at the end of the fight could still work like Corypheus though.

 

It's even worse for Coryfish since he was far harder in DA2, yet here he is stronger then ever yet he's not only easy in just this game, but crap compared to his enjoyable fight in DA2.

Exactly! He's supposed to be ridiculously powerful, but we never actually see that. Well, not when he's fighting us. If he can lift an entire ruin hundreds of feet into the air, surely he could crush us with ease. Literally.