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Alright guys, I need your help. I'm struggling with my canon playthrough choice on whether or not to keep the inquisition as a peace-keeping force for Divine Victoria (Softened Leliana) or disbanding in order to take on Solas with our core group and finding help on our own.

The one thing I believe in (much like issues brought up in Kotor 2) is that true power comes from knowing when to turn away from it. The Inquisition's main purpose for being created has been resolved and now traitors have been found in our midst. The ever growing numbers of our organization have become a detriment to our current purpose.

This now leads into the problem every organization eventually faces. Power struggle, treachery, change in leadership, the future of the organization, misuse, public perception etc.

However, a new threat has surfaced, changing circumstances.

 

When I met Mother Giselle and she asked me my plans for the inquisition, I honestly told her

 

"You once told me about the inquisition that took place eight hundred years ago. You said that when their battle was over, that inquisition's soldiers sheathed their swords and went home. If our battle truly is over, perhaps it's our turn to do the same"

 

After learning about Solas' plans, I have to ask myself, is it truly over? When I accepted the role of Inquisitor I did so because the cause was a righteous one. The cause that has surfaced is not only personally critical but also has bigger potential for worldwide damage than the threat that Corypheus posed. With my thoughts explained on the situation this then comes down to a choice based on pragmatism rather than principle

 

Here are my pros and cons for each decision starting with for The Inquisition then Against.

 

The main problems about the Inquisition being too large is dealt with if we become a Peace-Keeping Force for Divine Victoria. A manageable size with special tests and screenings to catch and anticipate traitors and moles.

 

"As The Divine's personal guard and peacekeeping force, the Inquisition shrank to a more manageable size. Many who served went home, though the remaining force was still enough to give pause to any who might threaten The Divine's plans. Those who served the new Inquisition were tested and checked thoroughly, in the hope of ferreting out any more spies within its ranks."

 

Connections I've established as an organization are still viable and strong, though moles are more of a concern because of us working in the light (under the Inquisitions banners) rather than in the shadows (on our own with the contacts we've made). Keeping with the Inquisition gives us more eyes with which to survey but also brings more gazes upon our plans and actions. What we represent can be both a beacon of hope and a cause for concern (as has always been the case). On the one hand, we now can protect our biggest asset and ally (The Divine) directly while also profiting from our standing within The Chantry. The main concern of disbanding comes from seeing all the good we've done being undermined and undone. Giving the people a choice is paramount, but protecting them from themselves is also something to think about. Just the thought of knowing that our organization is still active would give most pause before trying to act against our past deeds. Being active would also, of course, mean that we would stand ready to respond to outside threats if need be, hence the Peace-Keeping part.

 

As for Disbanding.

 

Our original purpose has been accomplished. We now have a choice to make. A new threat has been uncovered and our own organization has grown too quickly and too large to manage effectively. Disbanding would allow us to pursue our objectives unfettered and out of sight from unwanted eyes. Not having to answer to public perception would work in our favor, however our capacities to find political allies and sway certain groups to our cause as well as use previous connections would be heavily... severed (get it, because of our arm... Ok, bad pun). Having no accountability would give us unlimited freedom when it came to problem solving yet the tools at our disposal would be limited. We still would have The Divine's support and her connections at our disposal however, as well as other connections we had developed on a personal level. Although our numbers would be few, our bonds would be unbreakable. When push comes to shove, having a few people we trust is more important than many that could potentially hamper, if not destroy our efforts entirely.

 

Something else to consider is not being beholden to an organization. We wouldn't stand as a figurehead. This would enable us to concentrate on our goals without having to worry about public perception or duties that came with leading The Inquisition. Another pro would be that our organization could never be used against us or the people of Thedas. Given our role is never permanent, then being replaced could easily be orchestrated and eventually achieved. The Divine will also eventually be replaced. Having a military force answering to her could be extremely damaging if changes that have been made are nullified. We already know what happened to The Templars and this has the potential to be worse, as the  Inquisition's purpose is much more ambiguous and no special training is required to swell the ranks.

 

So given this is the last and most crucial decision in the game, I thought it would be a great subject to discuss. Not only for my benefit but also for all of yours. I'd really love to know of your decisions and more importantly, what motivated you to make them


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So given this is the last and most crucial decision in the game, I thought it would be a great subject to discuss. Not only for my benefit but also for all of yours. I'd really love to know of your decisions and more importantly, what motivated you to make them


I'd rather disband than become subservient to the Chantry. It's a matter of controlling your own destiny and refusing to let anyone dictate your course.

Revas can reside in Wycome, with Clan Lavellan and the myriad of clans who would presumably have migrated to make a home where they can be safe. There, he can build a future for himself and make plans to find Solas and change his mind.
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The game does imply that even if the inquisitor disbands the inquisition, they still plot to use the factions former contacts, spys, and allies to thwart Solas' plans.


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There's already a thread about this topic here.  But I'm down to discuss briefly here :)

 

I chose disband, partially for my Inquisitor's well-being and partially because she really believed it was the best way to stop Solas.  He's the Dread Wolf, the original rebel.  He knows how to fight a shadow war.  She's not going to hand him MORE tools by sticking with an organization that he's already managed to handily infiltrate.  As of Trespasser's conclusion, she's decided that armies and spies and political ties will not stop Solas.  They'll only slow him down.  People will stop Solas.  People he knew and didn't know, working together to show him that destroying this world to restore his is patently insane.

 

But I also did it for personal reasons relating to that Inquisitor.  She never wanted to lead a huge organization.  She was a good Inquisitor all things considered, but a reluctant one at heart.  She's honestly happier, stronger, and better off with just her friends to back her up.


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Disband.

 

My Dalish elf went to spy on the Conclave to find out how humans intended to resolve the mage/Templar war and what that would mean for her people, then wound up with the Anchor. When humans started worshiping her as the herald of their god, she decided to use it to not only keep the world from spiraling into chaos, but to use her authority to make life better for her people (mages and elves). And she does; she allies with Fiona and the rebel mages, gives Briala the strings to Gaspard's throne, got Leliana elected Divine, etc.

 

When Trespasser reveals that the Inquisition has done what it set out to do, has long worn out its welcome, and is open to corruption (as Solas reveals that both Qunari spies and his spies managed to slip in), she decided the answer was simple; disband the Inquisition.

 

Better a small, secular force she knows she can trust than a large, controversial, Chantry-based force that can be infiltrated and corrupted.


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The Inquisition's battle is not over - they have yet another god wannabe to put down.


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Put it awaaaay. It's full of spies. Much better to thwart Solas's plans using subtler means. :ph34r:

Besides, what happens if Victoria dies and you're suddenly beholden to a new Divine? That'd suck.
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Besides, what happens if Victoria dies and you're suddenly beholden to a new Divine? That'd suck.

 

Especially if Victoria is Leliana.  At some point, one of those assassination attempts is gonna land.


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Do companies shut down as soon as corruption is found? No.

You deal with the problem, that's what you do. Thankfully, it isn't the Inquisition's leadership that is corrupt.

It is too little to immediately cry "it can't and shouldn't be saved".
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Do companies shut down as soon as corruption is found? No.

 

Maybe they should be, considering how often corruption is found or reemerges after being found in so many companies.

 

You deal with the problem, that's what you do. Thankfully, it isn't the Inquisition's leadership that is corrupt.

 

Give it time. The leadership of the Chantry, Circles, Seekers, and Templars weren't corrupt either, but given enough time, power becomes its own master.

It is too little to immediately cry "it can't and shouldn't be saved".

 

That depends on how attached you are to the Inquisition or its ideals.

 

I only ever saw the Inquistion as a means to an end. When that end was met, it ended the Inquisition.


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Yes, the next Inquisitor could ruin everything the organization stands for, but that applies to most groups. However, there isn't enough reason to end the one being currently led by the Herald.

Is its purpose finished? That's entirely subjective and just depends on how you define the Inquisition. Some believe it merely is a Corypheus hunting team. Others think it can be more.
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It depends on my Inquisitors. Those of them that are religious I will have join the chanrty, those that are not will disband.

 

Honestly, the main stength of the Inquisition is the Inqusiitor him/herself and his/her diplomatic and covert options anyway. The army is only ever used for sieging the Grey Wardens and before the temple of Mythal for anything significant.


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In aIl honestly chose to put my army under the Divine.

 

Why? Because even though I personally built the damn thing, it always felt like it was meant to come under the Divine's hand. The risk of corruption was always present. I always suspected that there were spies among my ranks. I even thought Ferelden, Orlais, Tevinter - every nation, basically - had their hands in my cookie jar. It doesn't take a genius to realize that when you take in pretty much everybody that can move, you're going to have one or two people with a similar agenda to you. I really don't think Alistair/Anora/Warden would allow an growing organization they know so little about to stand on their soil without having some ears to the wall. I doubt that the organization who makes a claim about trying to save the whole world isn't going to get background-checked by the people living in it.

 

The actual problem with the Inquisition was that it never answered to anybody and kept hiding things under the rug. It still doesn't answer to anybody and is still hiding things under the rug. Being 'disbanded' officially means jigglysquat, and answering to the Chantry when you're besties with them kind of makes me feel that so long as we don't take a dump where we eat, we'll be fine.

 

Like, basically, we're just proving Teagan right. Over and over again. In an endless loop.


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It depends on my Inquisitors. Those of them that are religious I will have join the chanrty, those that are not will disband.

 

Honestly, the main stength of the Inquisition is the Inqusiitor him/herself and his/her diplomatic and covert options anyway. The army is only ever used for sieging the Grey Wardens and before the temple of Mythal for anything significant.

 

Yeah, I'll have my second Inquisitor keep the Inquisition around.  But honestly it boils down to whether I *like* the idea of the character remaining Inquisitor.  It was more of a roleplaying choice than a "do I think this is optimal" choice.

 

Adaar was a merc captain first.  He's a charismatic, forceful leader who gets along well with others and is religious in a relaxed sort of way.  He'll be fine under the Chantry.  And pissed enough at Solas where he wants a giant army to go after the crazy rebel god.  My Lavellan, on the other hand, is a quiet and private person who does much better with a small group of friends than a big-ass organization.  And she took the cautionary tale of what happened to the templars and Seekers post-Ameridan very much to heart.


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Especially if Victoria is Leliana.  At some point, one of those assassination attempts is gonna land.

 

This is the reason why I keep the Inquisition around for her specifically. She'll need every advantage if her reforms are going to hold.



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I don't know that is kind of the choice I am struggling with too and both have a lot of merits.  To me though, with Divine Cassandra, the Chantry will serve as a check on the Inquisition's power, and the Inquisition will serve as a check on the Chantry's power.  Going it alone there is nothing to stop Fen'Harel from corrupting you all, and if that happens...badness. 


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The biggest reason for disbanding in my mind isn't the risk of corruption or the spies, but rather that becoming the Divine's honor guard keeps us in center stage of the South's political drama. This will no doubt be aggrandized by the expectations and formalities we'll be saddled with as part of the job.

 

I'm sick of that ****, and I don't have time for it any more.



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The biggest reason for disbanding in my mind isn't the risk of corruption or the spies, but rather that becoming the Divine's honor guard keeps us in center stage of the South's political drama. This will no doubt be aggrandized by the expectations and formalities we'll be saddled with as part of the job.

 

I'm sick of that ****, and I don't have time for it any more.

Gah this makes the choice even harder for me at the end.  ****.  


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Especially if Victoria is Leliana.  At some point, one of those assassination attempts is gonna land.


Yup. Divine Justinia gave the order, Divine Victoria gets the honor guard... if you go that route, it seems unlikely that the Inquisition can turn around and say LOL NEVERMIND when Divine Umbridge shows up and turns out to be their worst nightmare. You have no idea who your boss is gonna be in five, fifteen, thirty years.

For some characters, that's a perfectly acceptable risk. Others not so much.

Yeah, I'll have my second Inquisitor keep the Inquisition around.  But honestly it boils down to whether I *like* the idea of the character remaining Inquisitor.  It was more of a roleplaying choice than a "do I think this is optimal" choice.
 
Adaar was a merc captain first.  He's a charismatic, forceful leader who gets along well with others and is religious in a relaxed sort of way.  He'll be fine under the Chantry.  And pissed enough at Solas where he wants a giant army to go after the crazy rebel god.  My Lavellan, on the other hand, is a quiet and private person who does much better with a small group of friends than a big-ass organization.  And she took the cautionary tale of what happened to the templars and Seekers post-Ameridan very much to heart.


This is very much how I play. It's not about meta or strategy, it's about what's in-character for that particular Inquisitor.
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Yup. Divine Justinia gave the order, Divine Victoria gets the honor guard... if you go that route, it seems unlikely that the Inquisition can turn around and say LOL NEVERMIND when Divine Umbridge shows up and turns out to be their worst nightmare. You have no idea who your boss is gonna be in five, fifteen, thirty years.

 

My stomach literally just curled in on itself.  Thanks  :sick:

 

It's been over a decade.  Still haven't met a character whom I loathed so completely.


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My stomach literally just curled in on itself.  Thanks  :sick:
 
It's been over a decade.  Still haven't met a character whom I loathed so completely.


:lol: I had to demonstrate exactly how bad it could get!
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Yup. Divine Justinia gave the order, Divine Victoria gets the honor guard... if you go that route, it seems unlikely that the Inquisition can turn around and say LOL NEVERMIND when Divine Umbridge shows up and turns out to be their worst nightmare. You have no idea who your boss is gonna be in five, fifteen, thirty years.

For some characters, that's a perfectly acceptable risk. Others not so much.


This is very much how I play. It's not about meta or strategy, it's about what's in-character for that particular Inquisitor.

Right now though Kara Trevelyan and Cassandra Pentaghast are in control.  I trust Cassandra, and Kara has come to really trust herself.  The future is the future Because IF SOLAS GETS AWAY WITH WHAT HE WANTS TO DO THERE MIGHT NOT BE A THIRTY YEARS TO WORRY ABOUT.  Whatever happens to the Inquisition and Chantry after the fact later on down the road the Inquisition is still needed right then and there.  Yes sure the next people might be bad, but in the end of the day if the Chantry does become corrupted somewhere down the line, or the Inquisition, I do not think Kara would hesitate to pull the plug at this point. 


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Right now though Kara Trevelyan and Cassandra Pentaghast are in control.  I trust Cassandra, and Kara has come to really trust herself.  The future is the future Because IF SOLAS GETS AWAY WITH WHAT HE WANTS TO DO THERE MIGHT NOT BE A THIRTY YEARS TO WORRY ABOUT.  Whatever happens to the Inquisition and Chantry after the fact later on down the road the Inquisition is still needed right then and there.  Yes sure the next people might be bad, but in the end of the day if the Chantry does become corrupted somewhere down the line, or the Inquisition, I do not think Kara would hesitate to pull the plug at this point. 

 

What if it gets bad after she's no longer around to stop it?

 

That is the fear that drove my Lavellan to disband.  The horror, resignation, and dismay in Inquisitor Ameridan's voice when she and Cassandra told him what the Seekers had become, what the Rite of Tranquility had become, how the templars had fallen to lyrium addiction.  She trusts herself, her friends, and Cassandra, but she can't do a damn thing if it all goes to hell after they're dead.  It might take twenty years, or two hundred years, but she didn't want to take that chance.

 

My Adaar, on the other hand, thinks more like your Trev.  Why worry about what happens later if Solas destroys the world here and now?


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What if it gets bad after she's no longer around to stop it?

 

That is the fear that drove my Lavellan to disband.  The horror, resignation, and dismay in Inquisitor Ameridan's voice when she and Cassandra told him what the Seekers had become, what the Rite of Tranquility had become, how the templars had fallen to lyrium addiction.  She trusts herself, her friends, and Cassandra, but she can't do a damn thing if it all goes to hell after they're dead.  It might take twenty years, or two hundred years, but she didn't want to take that chance.

 

My Adaar, on the other hand, thinks more like your Trev.  Why worry about what happens later if Solas destroys the world here and now?

Oh don't get me wrong Kara is really torn on this between these two options and the more I read the more torn I am.  I mean on the one hand she does hate nobility and loves independence so it makes sense to go cold turkey and go it alone, but on the other hand she recognizes the neccessity on having some checs on her power.  Mark or not.  She is still one of the most powerful figures in Thedas history.  Really becoming a part of the Chantry is her hope that she does not become corrupted with unlimited power.  Same thing with scailing down the Inquisition.  


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She is still one of the most powerful figures in Thedas history.  Really becoming a part of the Chantry is her hope that she does not become corrupted with unlimited power.  Same thing with scailing down the Inquisition.  

 

I rather like that way of thinking about it.  Having faith in the Chantry's ability to actually be a moral compass, and throwing the Inquisition's weight behind that dream :)  It's a nice breath of optimism in a decision that's fraught with cynicism.


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