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[Aren]

I'm glad they at least brought the HoF back to Thedas rather than sweep them off to some uncharted middle of nowhere to keep them out of it until the end of time, which they easily could have done. Hopefully they're actually implied to be doing something a bit more relevant now. The non-Divine Leliana epilogue seems to imply they're both preparing.

It's middle late of the 2015, and yet there are some people who fail to grasp that the HoF is over narratively speaking

 

"Hopefully they're actually implied to be doing something a bit more relevant now."

i will drink to that

 

Since when being an inexistent phantom is considered to be something relevant? 

[Jaison1986]

Besides i still find it a bit illogical that we still have the warden conflict in the north, and not having the HoF involved in that doesnt sound right. Or something importent like stopping the last archdemons once and for all. Anything less is cheap

 

Hopefully BW will change their minds and have the HoF return in DA4. The warden plotline was left in the open and Hawke was still in Weisshaupt by Trespasser time. Considering DA4 will likely be set in Tevinter and the fortress is right at the border, there is an realistic chance this scenario could happen, with the new protagonist meeting up both Hawke and the HoF at Weisshaupt.

[Aren]

Hopefully BW will change their minds and have the HoF return in DA4. The warden plotline was left in the open and Hawke was still in Weisshaupt by Trespasser time. Considering DA4 will likely be set in Tevinter and the fortress is right at the border, there is an realistic chance this scenario could happen, with the new protagonist meeting up both Hawke and the HoF at Weisshaupt.

People won't give up.

I admire this persistence but this is getting unreasonable

[Qun00]

The HoF's story ended long ago. It is the fans who want to drag it out.

[Korva]

So? The resolution of that result has been clear since 2009.

 

Hardly clear to me. If you mean the Orlesian stand-in, that is such a non-entity it doesn't even have a Keep entry. Plus, as far as I can remember there have never been any calls for that stand-in to return. Nobody seems to care about that character. The only time I ever see the stand-in mentioned at all is when some hardcore "bring back the Warden" fans think it's a bone to throw at the sacrifice-players to get us on board with their plans. Sorry, but no. The two characters aren't remotely comparable.

 

Edit: I understand frustration about a beloved character not getting closure or not being used again when it would "make sense" (Weisshaupt and internal Warden trouble). For me, Trespasser was my personal nightmare when it comes to the Inquisitor, and I have little hope the future of the series will ever "heal" that. I should fully have expected it, beause this is how Bioware treats their protagonists. So yes, I get it. But there is just no way you can have the Warden and a random replacement fill the same role in any future games. Most likely you'd end up with either:

 

1) A minor role for the Warden, and no replacement. Whatever content the Warden is involved in simply does not exist in a sacrifice-worldstate. Very likely unsatisfying for the "bring back the Warden" crowd.

2) A bigger role that can't just be dropped and is filled by some random nobody replacement if the Warden is dead. In terms of emotional and storytelling significance, that replacement would fail all the way trying to fill a pair of boots a dozen sizes too big for them. Very likely unsatisfying for the sacrifice-crowd.

 

So what would a workable compromise even look like?

Modifié par Korva, 13 septembre 2015 - 04:38 .

[Jaison1986]

The HoF's story ended long ago. It is the fans who want to drag it out.

 

It's not over. We don't know how their journey for the cure ended. 

[BloodyTalon]

Well this means they did find the cure for the blight also, so everyone should be happy

[diaspora2k5]

It's not over. We don't know how their journey for the cure ended. 

They either found a cure for the calling and nobody cares, or they didn't find it and they're retired either way. Their story is done.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Hopefully BW will change their minds and have the HoF return in DA4. The warden plotline was left in the open and Hawke was still in Weisshaupt by Trespasser time. Considering DA4 will likely be set in Tevinter and the fortress is right at the border, there is an realistic chance this scenario could happen, with the new protagonist meeting up both Hawke and the HoF at Weisshaupt.

 

They'll have to bring back all the spec's and let the Warden PC hold any weapon and armor again. Since that'll make him/her too OP for the game, I doubt it's happening. Not to mention HOF can be dead, they're not gonna waste so many resources on a "what if".

 

The Warden is done, just like Hawke and Inquisitor.

[Beomer]

Seriously, you guys are making this another 'bring back HoF / HoF is dead' thread? 

I started my first post with 'for the people whose wardens are still alive'. Second seeing as BW finally seem to be wrapping up the HoF saga with happy endings pretty much means that they're not going to bring them back on screen. Had they planned to do it, they would've already done it. And for one am cool with the endings we're getting now.

The only unresolved HoF romance I can think of now is with Morrigan.   

[Knight of Dane]

Hardly clear to me. If you mean the Orlesian stand-in, that is such a non-entity it doesn't even have a Keep entry. Plus, as far as I can remember there have never been any calls for that stand-in to return. Nobody seems to care about that character. The only time I ever see the stand-in mentioned at all is when some hardcore "bring back the Warden" fans think it's a bone to throw at the sacrifice-players to get us on board with their plans. Sorry, but no. The two characters aren't remotely comparable.

 

Edit: I understand frustration about a beloved character not getting closure or not being used again when it would "make sense" (Weisshaupt and internal Warden trouble). For me, Trespasser was my personal nightmare when it comes to the Inquisitor, and I have little hope the future of the series will ever "heal" that. I should fully have expected it, beause this is how Bioware treats their protagonists. So yes, I get it. But there is just no way you can have the Warden and a random replacement fill the same role in any future games. Most likely you'd end up with either:

 

1) A minor role for the Warden, and no replacement. Whatever content the Warden is involved in simply does not exist in a sacrifice-worldstate. Very likely unsatisfying for the "bring back the Warden" crowd.

2) A bigger role that can't just be dropped and is filled by some random nobody replacement if the Warden is dead. In terms of emotional and storytelling significance, that replacement would fail all the way trying to fill a pair of boots a dozen sizes too big for them. Very likely unsatisfying for the sacrifice-crowd.

 

So what would a workable compromise even look like?

 

No I just mean, those wardens are dead. No need for resolution for those, it's a non-issue.

[Snowy-Ninja]

Yes! I'd like an end to the HOF's story. I've thought a lot about this the past couple of days and I'd just like an end, so Bioware stops dragging them back into the story.

 

Personally I tend to believe the cure will be found by the next hero or fifth hero and the HOF / Alistair and Wardens will be saved, if you think about it a cure to the taint is a huge thing, something that couldn't be wrapped up in codex's or by some unseen person working in the background. Just imagine, no blight, no red lyrium and Darkspawn who are no longer under the control of the archdemons song! It would actually make for an interesting story and I hope this is how the HOF is cure so they can live until the ripe old age of whatever and have kids(if you want) and just settle down for good, with few worries. 

 

As long as the HOF's is ended on a good note yet both Morrigan and Alistair romances could still end on a bad note as both of them are in danger. Alistair from investigating Weisshaupt (unless this has been retconned to/ and still a warden) and Morrigan from drinking from the well or just being Flemeth's daughter. But I hold out hope Bioware say "you know we dragged Morrigan and Alistair into enough games its time to retire them with their LI and family" 

[TobiTobsen]

How is the HoF even able to have any kind of happy ending? I thought he/she was busy with not dying of the taint and maybe trying to find a cure for that?

[leaguer of one]

DIvine Leli is fricken horrible. It's waaaaaaay too happy, lovey dovey and forced.

 

celibate? Gone

Circles? Gone

Race and gender restrictions? Gone

Certain verses restored? Yes

 

Bioware tried too hard with divine Leli and it just comes off as a joke.

Well, if you harden her she does this by force with her secret assassins and agents.

[TobiTobsen]

Well, if you harden her she does this by force with her secret assassins and agents.

 

That's way more believable than all those fundamental changes coming about just through holding hands and singing the chantry equivalent of Kumbaya.

[Mr.House]

Well, if you harden her she does this by force with her secret assassins and agents.

That's how it should be, a soften Leli doing this SHOULD result in war.

[vertigomez]

That's how it should be, a soften Leli doing this SHOULD result in war.

I have softened Leli as Divine, and I'm betting this will be the case. Just because it's not in the epilogue doesn't mean it won't happen later on. Her actions (racial equality, potentially having a lover, etc.) are considered scandalous and she's considered a religious radical.

If Divine Victoria is mentioned in DA4 in more than a completely vague context, I'm thinking unhardened Leliana gets assassinated. >____>

[KaiserShep]

How is the HoF even able to have any kind of happy ending? I thought he/she was busy with not dying of the taint and maybe trying to find a cure for that?

 

To be honest, I don't even care that much anymore. All that matters to me now is that Hawke can actually reclaim her old estate in Hightown and still has friends in high places. 

[Snook]

It's middle late of the 2015, and yet there are some people who fail to grasp that the HoF is over narratively speaking
 
"Hopefully they're actually implied to be doing something a bit more relevant now."
i will drink to that
 
Since when being an inexistent phantom is considered to be something relevant? I bet that i already said this elsewhere,but i have no problem in repeat myself.
All the living wardens technically may be on more "adventures"but effectively they are sharing the same fate of the US default warden,and yet people still fail to comprehend after more or less 6-7 years,do they will finally give up in 2020? Or more likely in DA4 when Patrick will write a codex in which will be stated that the Warden is missing (again) because of reasons into a new contrived location?.

If you read, you'll notice I said implied.

I'm not asking for them to come back.

[Mr.House]

To be honest, I don't even care that much anymore. All that matters to me now is that Hawke can actually reclaim her old estate in Hightown and still has friends in high places. 

I'm still annoyed that Hawke gives away their viscount position to Varric, but oh well. She can now just laze around and troll Varric with Aveline.

[Korva]

Both "versions" of Leliana are two sides of the same coin, though. Softened Leliana is still a master bard, spymaster if applicable, and doesn't suddenly turn into a hardcore pacifist. She may subscribe to Josie's "niceness before knives" now, but I don't doubt the knives are still there. Also, if the past is anything to go by, Leliana can flipflop between both sides quite easily when fate sneezes on her ... which is one reason why I am uneasy letting her near the Sunburst Throne. She hasn't yet proven that she is "stable" now.

[KaiserShep]

The fact that Leliana is the only one that might go around knocking off certain elements of the Chantry kind of makes her the only one I'd ever want as Divine.

[kimgoold]

What I find unreasonable is others telling me ( and others)  what I can have or nor have!, if I want a resolution to my HoF other than they dropped off the face of Thedas,  I have the right to ask for one, those who don't want this option just don't buy/play it. I believe in we are all entitled to disagree and have our own opinions not belittle those who dare to have their own.

[Mr.House]

What I find unreasonable is others telling me ( and others)  what I can have or nor have!, if I want a resolution to my HoF other than they dropped off the face of Thedas,  I have the right to ask for one, those who don't want this option just don't buy/play it. I believe in we are all entitled to disagree and have our own opinions not belittle those who dare to have their own.

They are making sweet love to Leli at a lake villa. There's your closure.

[Iakus]

My HoFs' stories ended with DAO.  I'm just glad it's confirmed they're finally enjoying their well-earned retirements.