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[Tragedienne of Heavens]

Are we not having a discussion right now, You keep saying I'm not being reasonable but i have provided ample evidence to my side where all you have done is say i'm wrong with no proof can someone besides the Solas fan girl come back so I can have a real debate

 

didn't i tell you to stop that

From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

Spoiler

Full Definition of EVIDENCE

1

a :  an outward sign :  indication

 

b :  something that furnishes proof :  testimony; specifically :  something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter

2

:  one who bears witness; especially :  one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against his accomplices

— in evidence

1

:  to be seen :  conspicuous <trim lawns … are everywhere in evidence — American Guide Series: North Carolina>

2

:  as evidence

 

So lets try this again I was right all along Solas is evil, racist and killed Felassan anyone care to defend him.

ok for real stop defending him he literally is trying to DESTROY the world,

 

oh a fate many consider worse then death much better

 

everyone who is not an ancient elf is dead

 

LITERALLY TRYING TO DESTROY THE WORLD that is pretty irredeemable

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Nope.

[AllThatJazz]

ok for real stop defending him he literally is trying to DESTROY the world,

 

oh a fate many consider worse then death much better

 

everyone who is not an ancient elf is dead

 

LITERALLY TRYING TO DESTROY THE WORLD that is pretty irredeemable

 

 

 

 

 

whatever this^^ is, it needs to stop

For a start, I didn't say it was better - though it would be more interesting, since it brings with it the possibility of meeting Felassan

 

Although, if Solas's plan to destroy the veil works, what effect would this have on tranquils? 

[ihaveanumber]

Quote me and tell me where I said you were wrong. And where is this 'ample evidence' of yours? With the way you have conducted yourself in this thread, you aren't exactly inviting friendly debate, which is exactly why I refuse to do so. 'Solas fan girl'  Thank you for taking a look through my profile.

the funnest part is i never looked at your profile, oh and right here--->So, you just made a thread to gloat and {refuse to accept what anyone may say in contradiction to you}

 

Oh, bite me, elf hater.

my canon warden is an elf mage

[ihaveanumber]

For a start, I didn't say it was better - though it would be more interesting, since it brings with it the possibility of meeting Felassan

 

Although, if Solas's plan to destroy the veil works, what effect would this have on tranquils? 

no idea but that is a really interesting thing i hope they bring it up

 

 

 

From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

Spoiler

Full Definition of EVIDENCE

1

a :  an outward sign :  indication

 

b :  something that furnishes proof :  testimony; specifically :  something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter

2

:  one who bears witness; especially :  one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against his accomplices

— in evidence

1

:  to be seen :  conspicuous <trim lawns … are everywhere in evidence — American Guide Series: North Carolina>

2

:  as evidence

 

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Nope.

 

I'm guessing you googled the definition of evidence as a way to imply i didn't have any lets go through my points again i was right Solas did kill Felassen, is racist, and is trying to destroy the world my evidence is SOLAS ADMITTING TO ALL OF THESE THINGS. also "nope" really

[lynroy]

the funnest part is i never looked at your profile, oh and right here--->So, you just made a thread to gloat and {refuse to accept what anyone may say in contradiction to you}

Hmm must have been a doppelganger then.

 

And that was not me saying you were wrong, just me commenting how you refuse to allow a counter argument to your 'solas is irredeemable' thing.

 

no idea but that is a really interesting thing i hope they bring it up

 

I'm guessing you googled the definition of evidence as a way to imply i didn't have any lets go through my points again i was right Solas did kill Felassen, is racist, and is trying to destroy the world my evidence is SOLAS ADMITTING TO ALL OF THESE THINGS. also "nope" really

[Tragedienne of Heavens]

no idea but that is a really interesting thing i hope they bring it up

 

I'm guessing you googled the definition of evidence as a way to imply i didn't have any lets go through my points again i was right Solas did kill Felassen, is racist, and is trying to destroy the world my evidence is SOLAS ADMITTING TO ALL OF THESE THINGS. also "nope" really

In the first place, do yourself a favor and learn some grammar.

 

Your point is that Solas is beyond redemption, we get it, but what you're saying is not evidence of that.

 

Solas did kill Felassan but that's all we know, we don't have his motives. Solas is not the kind of character that would kill a friend just to get a kick out of it.

His plans involve probably "destroying the world" but once again, he doesn't do it to destroy every other race, but for the sake of the elves as he regrets the consequences of his actions in the past.

Also depending on your relationship with him it's hinted that he wants to be stopped (I have done it with friendly inquisitors).

 

Just for the record: my main character is human and I'm not a "Solas fangirl". 

My intention is to express why your claims are not "evidence", not trying to change your opinion on Solas.

 

I do realize this has been a waste of time. Have a good day.

[thats1evildude]

Oh yeah, Solas killed Felassan. I theorized as much way back here.

 

Why would Solas kill Felassan? For failing him. Worse, his servant actually BETRAYED Solas. From that moment, he signalled to Fen'Harel that he could no longer be trusted.

[diaspora2k5]

Remember he killed/absorbed Flemeth/Mythal and yet he says Mythal was the best of them.   Inclined to agree with him on that one.    When my elf challenged her why she did nothing to help our people, her response was that I did not know what I was asking for.    If the only way to help was Solas' solution then I'm glad Mythal held back.   Mythal also acknowledges modern elves as being of the People.    If Solas thinks like Abelas, which I think may be the case, then while he may be perfectly willing to use the modern elves to achieve his end and kid himself he is helping them, I think ultimately he doesn't regard them as elves in the same way as he does Abelas and co and it is the latter he is trying to restore.  

 

Notice also his economy with the truth about Felassan.   His agent was meant to recover the control of the eluvians from Briala but failed in his mission, so Solas had to do it himself.    Felassan didn't fail; he refused to fulfil it and it now seems it was definitely Solas who killed him for it.   Ironic when you think about it because basically Felassan rebelled against his master.   It wasn't necessary to kill him unless the master of Felassan was just the usual vengeful tyrant.   Since Felassan was fully expecting to die, it seems he knew his master very well. 

I thought vengeance and justice (along with motherhood) was Mythal's deal, not Solas'. I wonder if she's controlling him.

[AllThatJazz]

I thought vengeance and justice (along with motherhood) was Mythal's deal, not Solas'. I wonder if she's controlling him.

Yeah I think there's definitely more going on with Mythal/Solas than meets the eye. There'a a hint (through something Cole says in Trespasser) that Mythal (or someone) 'called' Solas into physical being from the Fade, that he initially wore their vallaslin and then 'burnt her off his face', leaving the scar on his forehead. Then there are the statues of him all over her temple. I'm not sure the situation is as clear-cut as 'Solas killed Mythal and took her power'. I think he did precisely what she planned for him to do, and for whatever reason (love, loyalty, possession, still her 'slave' in some sense, dedication to his 'mother')  he's doing as much her bidding as his own now. That dark chuckle when he talks about the Evanuris being imprisoned for eternity - that's pure Flemeth/Mythal, that is. Pure vengeance. 

 

Edit: I've just replayed the final battle in DAI - when Solas says 'it was not supposed to happen this way' after finding the broken orb. Aside from being very well-acted, it just made sense. He knew how to use the orb to bring the veil down gently, with precision and finesse, unlike the blunt instrument Corypheus wielded it as. The orb was, I think, the 'gentler' solution -  the way to 'bring the magic back' without destroying everything, or most everything. Without it, a more destructive way is his only current alternative, maybe. But there are more orbs, it seems, in Tevinter (from something Dorian said, that some Magisters own similar things) - I wonder if this is partly why we're going there. I doubt it would be exactly the same (othewrwise Solas would just go and get one himself, presumably), but something that the DA4 protagonist can use?

[Serza]

Dienne? Lyn? Get him!

 

*slides a supply of Flasks of Lightning towards Lyn and some Lyrium potions towards Dienne*

[Gervaise]

It seems pretty obvious that the next instalment will be in Tevinter.    Not only will Dorian likely be the link between the two games, like Varric was for DA2, with Inquisitor possibly having a cameo role, again like Hawke, but I think Dorian and his fledgling faction will have dug up some knowledge on a way to stop Solas.   Dorian and Solas were constantly having chats together about magical technique which went totally over my Inquisitor's head.    We know that Tevinter rose to greatness on the back of elven knowledge they scavenged from the wreck of the elven empire.     Solas will no doubt remember Dorian's words about Tevinter having orbs.    He clearly didn't think much to Tevinter's achievements since they only mimicked what the ancient elves had already accomplished but then he under estimated Cory, so he likely take more of an interest now.     I reckon there will be Qunari agents looking for interesting artefacts, along with Solas' agents and our own.

 

Whilst I felt the time travel in Hushed Whispers did not really fit the world, the fact is they did use it and Alexius was basically messing with reality.   It says in WoT that he and his wife did much magical research together about the ways in which ordinary magic could control both time and physical space.   Since Dorian was his star pupil in continuing his research and knew enough to counter Alexius' magic, he may hold the key to stopping Solas.   However, before her death, Alexius's wife, Livia, took "half a dozen promising young scholars of the Fade and the Veil from, across Tevinter under her wing.   I wouldn't be surprised if these are now the same young Magisters that Dorian has recruited (as he would have known them).    So I'm pretty sure it is not just to hold back the Qunari that we will be busy in Tevinter.

[ihaveanumber]

Oh yeah, Solas killed Felassan. I theorized as much way back here.

 

Why would Solas kill Felassan? For failing him. Worse, his servant actually BETRAYED Solas. From that moment, he signalled to Fen'Harel that he could no longer be trusted.

and i theorized back in 2014 for real check my content not saying your thread doesn't bring up some good points

 

Hmm must have been a doppelganger then.

 

And that was not me saying you were wrong, just me commenting how you refuse to allow a counter argument to your 'solas is irredeemable' thing.

 

i said never looked i saw the dance garrus gif and that was all i needed

Dienne? Lyn? Get him!

 

*slides a supply of Flasks of Lightning towards Lyn and some Lyrium potions towards Dienne*

you two are just wasting my time at this point and its not even funny anymore by you two i mean serza and lynroy anyone with anything real to talk about please im begging

[lynroy]

i said never looked i saw the dance garrus gif and that was all i needed

All you needed? For what? You had to click on my profile in order to see it in the first place, that counts as a visit. Other people have replied to this topic and you haven't bothered to answer them. Although, I am flattered by all the attention.

[Ramification]

No I'll admit I was wrong when I'm wrong but I was right here, also its how you perceive really tell me how racism and world destruction is a good thing i really want to know.

I think he's planning to "reshape reality" and the result will be the end of the world we know. Maybe this somehow makes it easier for Solas to justify his actions because it isn't war and conquest. It's just kinda (aggressively) nudging things back into place as defined by him. Solas = Pride.  

 

I think his friendship/relationship with the Inquisition confused him. I don't think he'll go through with it in the end if Quiz confronts him again. 

[Solas]

is it confirmed that solas killed felassan? if so he just lost his brolas status. 

BROLAS STATUS LOL

[ihaveanumber]

I think he's planning to "reshape reality" and the result will be the end of the world we know. Maybe this somehow makes it easier for Solas to justify his actions because it isn't war and conquest. It's just kinda (aggressively) nudging things back into place as defined by him. Solas = Pride.  

 

I think his friendship/relationship with the Inquisition confused him. I don't think he'll go through with it in the end if Quiz confronts him again. 

the quiz already did remember and he still said hes going to go through with it

 

All you needed? For what? You had to click on my profile in order to see it in the first place, that counts as a visit. Other people have replied to this topic and you haven't bothered to answer them. Although, I am flattered by all the attention.

didn't i tell you to leave

[Bigdoser]

The irony is that if you are friends/romance he falls into the same pit as Felassan because now he see's the current worlds people as well actual people and then becomes conflicted about his plan. How does it feel solas? Not good right?

[PorcelynDoll]

is it confirmed that solas killed felassan? if so he just lost his brolas status. 

Can someone explain? Is Felassan super nice or something?

[Bigdoser]

Can someone explain? Is Felassan super nice or something?

He was meant to recover the key for solas to use the eluvians but because of his interactions/friendship with Briala he started to view this world's people as people hence he betrayed solas that's pretty much it really. 

[ihaveanumber]

Can someone explain? Is Felassan super nice or something?

he was a former dalish but he didn't hate humans or city elfs and was basically super chill

 

The irony is that if you are friends/romance he falls into the same pit as Felassan because now he see's the current worlds people as well actual people and then becomes conflicted about his plan. How does it feel solas? Not good right?

not everyone its the same speech from the vanilla game for qunari its something like "i thought qunari where violent savages but you are the exception to the rule i still think most are violent savages" here's its some people are ok but most are inhuman or "in-elvean" i think thats the right word, but its only a very few people he sees as people the PC mainly

[Gervaise]

The thing about Felassan was that he was obviously just out there keeping an eye on things for his chief, the Dread Wolf.   Initially he probably had a very low view of regular elves, he certainly didn't have much respect for the Dalish clan in Masked Empire but then they were depicted as a stupid bunch of d**ks.    Then he met Briala and clearly he was so impressed by her that he started to mentor her.     I think that quote from Cole is very sad because it confirms that Solas doesn't consider any elves but the ancient ones as his People but because of Briala, Felassan did.    He was actively helping her to make the world a better place for the city elves.   Now he must have known what Solas was planning.   May be he was even the one who direct Cory to the orb, because when talking to Imshael he clearly hints that something big is going to happen soon.  So was he helping in much the same way as Solas did, to give Briala and her kind a few years of hope and relatively better lives or was he genuinely trying to ensure that they had a future?

 

This is why the Dread Wolf killing him seems so petty and tyranical.    Felassan asks "what harm can it do?" to let Briala have her chance?    Based on Solas' claim not to be a monster and how anxious he is that the southern people should have some peaceful free time before he gives them the chop, Felassan's actions seem inspired by much the same sentiment.      However, if the Dread Wolf sensed that Felassan genuinely wanted Briala to succeed and this might in some way derail the Wolf's plans, then his anger was more understandable.      Nevertheless, based on what Cole says, the fate of Felassan is consistent with everything else Solas does and says; ruthlessly sacrificing those who get in the way of his plans whilst shedding crocodile tears.

[Serza]

and i theorized back in 2014 for real check my content not saying your thread doesn't bring up some good points

 

i said never looked i saw the dance garrus gif and that was all i needed

you two are just wasting my time at this point and its not even funny anymore by you two i mean serza and lynroy anyone with anything real to talk about please im begging

 

Oh! SWEET.

 

I hadn't realized it was FEEDING time.

 

You're the one who made a thread just to say how clever he is and how stupid the rest of us are, right?

I'm sorry, I keep forgetting your kind so quickly...

'Tis a talent.

[ModernAcademic]

Villains who aim to destroy the world are so yesterday.

 

I'd rather have my regular Zathrian, who poses as the avenger of a personal tragedy while making people suffer for centuries.

Or my Loghain, the once mighty hero who, by a tragic miscalculation, is turned into a traitor in order to save his king and country.

[Serza]

Villains who aim to destroy the world are so yesterday.

 

I'd rather have my regular Zathrian, who poses as the avenger of a personal tragedy while making people suffer for centuries.

Or my Loghain, the once mighty hero who, by a tragic miscalculation, is turned into a traitor in order to save his king and country.

 

Loghain also denies his commanding officer (AND FRIEND) intel that would preserve an asset. And Marik's conscience.

 

So, no, Loghain was always an arse to me.

[ihaveanumber]

Oh! SWEET.

 

I hadn't realized it was FEEDING time.

 

You're the one who made a thread just to say how clever he is and how stupid the rest of us are, right?

I'm sorry, I keep forgetting your kind so quickly...

'Tis a talent.

 

 

Loghain also denies his commanding officer (AND FRIEND) intel that would preserve an asset. And Marik's conscience.

 

So, no, Loghain was always an arse to me.

what the **** are you still doing here the grownups are talking

 

Villains who aim to destroy the world are so yesterday.

 

I'd rather have my regular Zathrian, who poses as the avenger of a personal tragedy while making people suffer for centuries.

Or my Loghain, the once mighty hero who, by a tragic miscalculation, is turned into a traitor in order to save his king and country.

I'm with you there even Corypheus just wanted to bring Tevinter back and give the world a god that answers