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[Abelas Forever!]

I think it would be a good idea to make Abelas as an LI for DA4 because he is mysterious character which makes him more interesting. He is also like a military leader but not quite. I guess I could say that he is mysterious military leader with magical skills. I'm fascinated by those kind of characters. He has also authority and he seems to be quite straightforward and honourable. He seems to be quite cold and I don't remember seeing any male LI who have been mysterious, cold and straightforward. He has also a sexy voice

I think there are also many possibilities to create a romance with him. I think one possibility could be that the romance starts very slowly and he would be very cold at first but he would warm up to the PC when time passes by and then of course he would fall in love with that PC. The other possibility could be that he would jump into bed with the PC right away and when time passes by he would fell in love with the PC of course I think similarities in these two possibilities would be that he wouldn't show his feelings much to the PC. So he would be very cold but he would still fell in love with the PC and it would be clear that he loves the PC even if he wouldn't say that a loud.

I guess there is four suggestions in this post. First one is that Abelas will be an LI, the second one is that he will be a companion and then there two different kinds of romances which I would like to see

[Nethalf]

[Rappeldrache]

I liked him, too.

 

Good idea. REALLY good idea. If we fight against Soals he could be somebody to help us ....

 

Dialogues with him could be interesting: The hero can't trust him 100 % and we could talk about: Wy he don't want to have the power of elves back ... Yes ... could be VERY interesting.

 

A romance could be interesting, too for a few players ... to be honest: Not for me. But I would love it to have him as companion.

[caradoc2000]

Abelas is dead in my games. I don't have the patience for his puzzles.

[Tielis]

Yes.  I could see him originally following Solas, and when he finds out what he's up to, nope on out of there and go find the Inquisitor.

 

Also if the Inquisitor is still the PC, I would like the option to take up with him.  We did get an option to break up with Solas in Trespasser, after all.

[daveliam]

Unlikely, given that he can be dead.  I think it's safe to say that, since the Leliana backlash, they aren't going to retcon characters back to life in future games.  Especially as major characters like companions and LIs.

[Abelas Forever!]

Ancient elves don't die easily so even if Morrigan killed him, he might have not died for good. I believe that we will see Morrigan in DA4 and I think it would be interesting to see their meeting when Morrigan had "killed" him DA:I. I think that would be awesome.

[caradoc2000]

Ancient elves don't die easily so even if Morrigan killed him, he might have not died for good.

Please no more "I got better" excuses.

[Abelas Forever!]

Please no more "I got better" excuses.

There can be other explanations like with Flemeth/Mythal.

[caradoc2000]

Still, let the dead stay dead.

[Abelas Forever!]

Still, let the dead stay dead.

Yes if they actually died

[aldien]

We do not know that Abelas died. We also know that it is very difficult for the Elvhen to die. That is a fact not an excuse. You can choose to ignore the lore all you want but it doesn't change that fact.

 

The character has his own fandom and considering he only had a short amount of screen time, I'd say he is worthy of making a return. They have brought other characters back for lesser reasons. I think he has great potential and could give us plenty of insight into Mythal, Fen'Harel and the gods.I also think it would be extremely interesting if he opposed Solas. The argument that he is dead, therefore we should just ignore it is lame. It's just an assumption and does not reflect everyone's views. The door is still open for him to return. 

[Tielis]

Holy crap, that icon!  8D

 

Yeah, the whole "but he's dead" argument seems to be for people who just dislike the character for whatever reason and don't want him to come back.

 

If you had Morrigan knife him, the dude "died" near a magical Well with purple magic coming out of his eyes...  yeah, he's gonna stay dead.  Right.

[Gileadan]

DA4 preview trailer:

"Could one thing in this f*****g world just stay dead!"

[aldien]

DA4 preview trailer:

"Could one thing in this f*****g world just stay dead!"

Not when it looks like Abelas. No that would be a crime. I don't really understand why people are opposed to him returning. He is a very interesting character with lots of potential unlike other characters that come to mind. People just love to troll. 

[daveliam]

Holy crap, that icon!  8D

 

Yeah, the whole "but he's dead" argument seems to be for people who just dislike the character for whatever reason and don't want him to come back.

 

If you had Morrigan knife him, the dude "died" near a magical Well with purple magic coming out of his eyes...  yeah, he's gonna stay dead.  Right.

 

I don't dislike the character.  I'm just tired of "I know that I died, but I got better because magic......" excuses.  He could be killed, so I'd rather them not retcon him back to life with a vague "magic reasons" excuse.  Let's instead let him come back in a smaller role for those who had him live (which I did in my canon playthrough).

[dgcatanisiri]

I keep Abelas alive, but since he's potentially dead, I think BioWare will probably stay away from him as a future companion. Like above, the 'I know I died, but MAGIC!' excuse kinda doesn't cut for me. Like, it's one thing if we bear witness to their resurrection, in the fashion of Flemeth secretly putting a part of herself in an amulet and sending it with Hawke, but for it just being an offhand 'yeah, I got killed, but MAGIC revived me' kind of thing, like it is with Leliana... That's really unsatisfying.

 

That said, there's nothing stopping some elf from the Temple of Mythal who manages to escape from being a companion in a future game. There were dozens of elves throughout the Temple, we could easily see one of them escape from the Arbor Wilds and into the party of DA4, and I'd be okay with it.

[chrstnmonks]

Would he most likely not be with Solas though? Also, wouldn't Solas know him? The whole point is to recruit people that Solas doesn't know. Also saying "but the character could be dead" is not a dislike of the character just a simple statement of fact. I kept him alive but not everyone would.

[Abelas Forever!]

Would he most likely not be with Solas though? Also, wouldn't Solas know him? The whole point is to recruit people that Solas doesn't know. Also saying "but the character could be dead" is not a dislike of the character just a simple statement of fact. I kept him alive but not everyone would.

Solas killed his goddess so he might not want to join him because of that. It's not known to whom Abelas is now bound to. If he is bound to Morrigan then she can decide what he is going to do and can prevent him from joining Solas if Abelas even wants to do that.

 

Our next DA PC is going to be the one who Solas doesn't know. Besides Solas doesn't know Abelas that well and Solas would probably not suspect that Abelas would try to prevent his plans because Abelas is also an ancient elf. Solas' guilt for killing the Mythal might also prevent him from contacting Abelas and considering him as his enemy.

[Abelas Forever!]

Abelas can die but so could Leliana, Morrigan, Oghren, Anders, Flemeth and Corypheus. Maybe there was a huge backlash with all of those characters when they showed up in the next game. I only remember the backlash which happened when Leliana was brought back. But then again backlashes happens no matter what the devs do.

There is already a way in the lore how it's possible that he isn't dead and that's the way of Mythal/Flemeth. Of course you don't see how he put part of himself in safety because that wouldn't have fit the narrative. Why would the devs have shown us how he put part of himself in safety? It wouldn't have made any sense. Besides he probably did that ages ago.

Morrigan stabbed him. I mean he is an ancient elf and he would just die from a single stab wound. Morrigan herself survived from stabbing but not an ancient elf? C'mon.
 

[Semyaza82]

The ancient elves didn't die of old age but i never got the impression that they couldn't be killed. Abelas even says that there numbers are diminishing every time they have to awaken to defend the Temple, so death through regular violence is clearly possible for them. Could they write it so he survives? Sure, but only by doing something that a lot of people are going to see as retconning the events of DA:I.
  I like Abalas as a character but I really don't want to see this happening again. With Leilana i actually thought it worked - and more importantly there was a big plot reason to do it. Same with Flemeth. With Morrigan we never actually see her die - just get stabbed and fall through the eluvian. With Oghren it was pretty much just a full on retcon. I posted this video in another thread about using a potential dead character, but i think it fits here as well

Spoiler

[Abelas Forever!]

Ancient elves can be killed. Their gods can be killed. Mythal was killed but she survived partly. Flemeth/Mythal was killed and yet she was resurrected. The number of sentinels are diminishing. However Abelas is the leader of sentinels and therefore he is more important than the rest of the sentinels. It may be that not all of the sentinels can be resurrected but if one of them can be then that person is Abelas. It might be either because of his position or because he is the most powerful of them all.

 

I believe that a lot of people probably won't care if they see Abelas again even if they killed him. Usually those kinds of things don't bother people that much. I was slightly annoyed that Leliana could be  in DA:I even though she could be dead but then again I was slightly annoyed and it really wasn't a big deal.

 

Well since all of those people who played trespasser knows what Solas' plan is, I think there are a lot of possibilites why Abelas could be around. Besides I believe we are going to see Morrigan again and it would be interesting to see how she reacts to Abelas when she sees him especially if she "killed" him. Anyway I believe that Morrigan will need an army and what kind of army could be better that the army of sentinels. So there can be a big plot reason for Abelas to be around.

[aldien]

Here, have all my disgusted noises. All of them.

 

1. Take your Inquisitor and shove it... away. Unless BW does something unprecedented they never use the same protagonist twice. So the scene at the end where they discuss needing people who do not know Solas is moot. You will not be Inky or the Inquisition in the next game. You will most likely not know what Solas is or is not. You will not have met the sentinels. What you will need is someone who knows the danger the world now faces. Abelas would be a good candidate. 

 

2. I have no problem with BW bringing people back if there is going to be a good story. For those of you who haven't played all three DA games you need to understand that this isn't the Witcher. I do not play this game for the asinine little choices I can make along the way. To ride a nug or not does nothing for me. I play this game for the story and when it works well, it works really well. There were 3 companions I could have done without this time around. I do not want another Vivienne. I don't care that, for instance, Leliana came back. She's interesting, occasionally annoying but it doesn't bother me as long as the story is engaging. Technically, Flemeth can be dead now. Would I be upset if I never saw Flemeth again? Hell yes. Do I have to be stuck on the 'she's dead' choice? No. I'd rather the story be interesting, my companions interesting than worry about something I did in the last game. Abelas's death, or not, wasn't really a huge choice. It's not something that is going to go down in DA legend as a defining moment. So what the bleep is the problem with bringing him back? He could have simply survived without the intervention of magic. He could have been healed by the old enchanter in the temple. There are a million possibilities.  The big questions is: could he prove to be a very interesting companion? Hell yes. 

 

3. Abelas still has his vallaslin. He didn't join up with Solas back in the day. (I don't want to get into spoilers) Abelas believes Mythal is a god. Something tells me if you try to tell him otherwise he isn't going to like it. He has also stated that the Elvhen killed themselves long ago. He has accepted the end of his people. He'd make a great double agent or guide into a world that is about to be hit hard with some major ancient magic. 

 

4. Yes, the ancient elves can be killed but they are not easy to kill. They have many ways of surviving that are very different to the modern age elf. Also Abelas uttered two words before he died (if you chose that route) For all we know he just transferred his essence elsewhere. Why this has to be a debate about his death being so important, I don't know. I'd rather have an interesting companion than get hung up on whether it truly meant death or not. It was a stupid choice that had little to no consequence to begin with. Besides, if you are asking questions like: wouldn't he support Solas? Then you can see the potential. Does he? Why would he? He has no loyalty to him. But I bet Solas would love to have his sentinels. 

[Tielis]

I keep Abelas alive, but since he's potentially dead, I think BioWare will probably stay away from him as a future companion. Like above, the 'I know I died, but MAGIC!' excuse kinda doesn't cut for me. Like, it's one thing if we bear witness to their resurrection, in the fashion of Flemeth secretly putting a part of herself in an amulet and sending it with Hawke, but for it just being an offhand 'yeah, I got killed, but MAGIC revived me' kind of thing, like it is with Leliana... That's really unsatisfying.

 

That said, there's nothing stopping some elf from the Temple of Mythal who manages to escape from being a companion in a future game. There were dozens of elves throughout the Temple, we could easily see one of them escape from the Arbor Wilds and into the party of DA4, and I'd be okay with it.

 

Abelas didn't get beheaded, he got stabbed.  People get stab wounds and live all the time.  Also, Thedas has a school of magic that is used just for healing.  Seriously, magic healing is part and parcel of the DA lore.  Why are you so angry with the lore?

[Semyaza82]

Here, have all my disgusted noises. All of them.

 

1. Take your Inquisitor and shove it... away. Unless BW does something unprecedented they never use the same protagonist twice. So the scene at the end where they discuss needing people who do not know Solas is moot. You will not be Inky or the Inquisition in the next game. You will most likely not know what Solas is or is not. You will not have met the sentinels. What you will need is someone who knows the danger the world now faces. Abelas would be a good candidate. 

 

2. I have no problem with BW bringing people back if there is going to be a good story. For those of you who haven't played all three DA games you need to understand that this isn't the Witcher. I do not play this game for the asinine little choices I can make along the way. To ride a nug or not does nothing for me. I play this game for the story and when it works well, it works really well. There were 3 companions I could have done without this time around. I do not want another Vivienne. I don't care that, for instance, Leliana came back. She's interesting, occasionally annoying but it doesn't bother me as long as the story is engaging. Technically, Flemeth can be dead now. Would I be upset if I never saw Flemeth again? Hell yes. Do I have to be stuck on the 'she's dead' choice? No. I'd rather the story be interesting, my companions interesting than worry about something I did in the last game. Abelas's death, or not, wasn't really a huge choice. It's not something that is going to go down in DA legend as a defining moment. So what the bleep is the problem with bringing him back? He could have simply survived without the intervention of magic. He could have been healed by the old enchanter in the temple. There are a million possibilities.  The big questions is: could he prove to be a very interesting companion? Hell yes. 

 

3. Abelas still has his vallaslin. He didn't join up with Solas back in the day. (I don't want to get into spoilers) Abelas believes Mythal is a god. Something tells me if you try to tell him otherwise he isn't going to like it. He has also stated that the Elvhen killed themselves long ago. He has accepted the end of his people. He'd make a great double agent or guide into a world that is about to be hit hard with some major ancient magic. 

 

4. Yes, the ancient elves can be killed but they are not easy to kill. They have many ways of surviving that are very different to the modern age elf. Also Abelas uttered two words before he died (if you chose that route) For all we know he just transferred his essence elsewhere. Why this has to be a debate about his death being so important, I don't know. I'd rather have an interesting companion than get hung up on whether it truly meant death or not. It was a stupid choice that had little to no consequence to begin with. Besides, if you are asking questions like: wouldn't he support Solas? Then you can see the potential. Does he? Why would he? He has no loyalty to him. But I bet Solas would love to have his sentinels. 

   I don't think anyone is saying that whether or not Abelas is dead is a major plot point. I acknowledged in my first post that it would be completely possible. The point I was trying to make is that there have already been several characters who 'died' and then 'got better'. When resurrections / retcons back to life get over used it at best gets annoying, at worst stops any death within the story from seeming meaningful.

 

   With a character like Flemeth, who within the lore is a pretty damn big deal and pretty damn powerful, I'm ok with it. For a relatively minor character, personally, I wouldn't like it. Abelas could be interesting as a companion but I'm not sure why not wanting to potentially explain away his seeming death means that we're arguing against having interesting companions? I liked the character but I didn't find him so fascinating that I want him back no matter what. Instead I'd rather get a completely new companion.

 

   Finally we know Solas is still out there and what he's planning, but we don't have a clue what his time scale is. As far as I know he's still immortal (at least i don't remember anything saying otherwise), it could be his plan won't be the focus of the next game at all - hell possibly the next several games. Meaning that someone with intimate knowledge of ancient elves might not be needed at all plot wise. And if it is? There isn't any reason that Abelas would be the only possibility.