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[aldien]

   I don't think anyone is saying that whether or not Abelas is dead is a major plot point. I acknowledged in my first post that it would be completely possible. The point I was trying to make is that there have already been several characters who 'died' and then 'got better'. When resurrections / retcons back to life get over used it at best gets annoying, at worst stops any death within the story from seeming meaningful.

 

   With a character like Flemeth, who within the lore is a pretty damn big deal and pretty damn powerful, I'm ok with it. For a relatively minor character, personally, I wouldn't like it. Abelas could be interesting as a companion but I'm not sure why not wanting to potentially explain away his seeming death means that we're arguing against having interesting companions? I liked the character but I didn't find him so fascinating that I want him back no matter what. Instead I'd rather get a completely new companion.

 

   Finally we know Solas is still out there and what he's planning, but we don't have a clue what his time scale is. As far as I know he's still immortal (at least i don't remember anything saying otherwise), it could be his plan won't be the focus of the next game at all - hell possibly the next several games. Meaning that someone with intimate knowledge of ancient elves might not be needed at all plot wise. And if it is? There isn't any reason that Abelas would be the only possibility.

Well that is the crux of it all. We don't know that he died.  I mean if you believe Morrigan can shove a knife through solid metal then you have more belief in the unreal than I do. Realistically, he would be incapacitated at best. I suggest looking at the latest dlc to understand that our choices really do not matter. I'm fine with it. 

 

Abelas being healed or surviving a knife wound through armor isn't explaining it away. It's plausible. 

 

That's where I disagree. I like to have some familiarity when possible in my companions. Because of Solas's big reveal and background, it would make Abelas more interesting than say another Sera. I will have some idea of what I'm dealing with. On top of all that... I find the character incredibly hot and sexy and those thighs deserve more screen time. A new companion, with my luck, will end up being some noble from Orlais. I'll have to endure the accent and lots of talk about stinky cheeses. No thanks. 

 

The point of this thread is that there are a number of us who would love to have the character as an LI. I don't see what is so Maker awful with wanting Abelas as a love interest. He has the body of a god, the most amazing voice and an awesome tattoo. If there is someone you want as an LI go support them. I'm trying to support my preference. Going on about his possible death only makes me more determined. I don't care. He's hot. Bring him back!

[Semyaza82]

...On top of all that... I find the character incredibly hot and sexy and those thighs deserve more screen time....

 

The point of this thread is that there are a number of us who would love to have the character as an LI. I don't see what is so Maker awful with wanting Abelas as a love interest. He has the body of a god, the most amazing voice and an awesome tattoo. If there is someone you want as an LI go support them. I'm trying to support my preference. Going on about his possible death only makes me more determined. I don't care. He's hot. Bring him back!

I'm still unconvinced over the death issue - but that's purely a personal perspective. Not saying I'm right and you're wrong, just that it'd bug me.

 

I will however fully concede that he is very hot. He's a tad broody for me, but the voice would probably make up for that if he ended up as a LI 

[Rappeldrache]

Even if he died: I'm sure Bioware could find a good, logical reason to bring him back, if they want.

 

I like the idea but thats all. BUT: If yo many people likes / loves him SO mutch: Come on, Bioware: Don't let this character just disappear.

[aldien]

I'm still unconvinced over the death issue - but that's purely a personal perspective. Not saying I'm right and you're wrong, just that it'd bug me.

 

I will however fully concede that he is very hot. He's a tad broody for me, but the voice would probably make up for that if he ended up as a LI 

I love you now. *hugs* Really... I want him back mostly for ummm purely aesthetic reasons. It's shameful but true. His voice is delicious. I was hoping some of the broody could be written out of him especially if he had time away from the temple. 

[Schizya]

Yes, please! Don't know about LI, but I definetely want Abelas as a companion! He is just one of those side characters that I always fall for... He had, like, 5 minutes of screen time, and I already wanted him in my party or maybe more

[Abelas Forever!]

   I don't think anyone is saying that whether or not Abelas is dead is a major plot point. I acknowledged in my first post that it would be completely possible. The point I was trying to make is that there have already been several characters who 'died' and then 'got better'. When resurrections / retcons back to life get over used it at best gets annoying, at worst stops any death within the story from seeming meaningful.

 

   With a character like Flemeth, who within the lore is a pretty damn big deal and pretty damn powerful, I'm ok with it. For a relatively minor character, personally, I wouldn't like it. Abelas could be interesting as a companion but I'm not sure why not wanting to potentially explain away his seeming death means that we're arguing against having interesting companions? I liked the character but I didn't find him so fascinating that I want him back no matter what. Instead I'd rather get a completely new companion.

 

   Finally we know Solas is still out there and what he's planning, but we don't have a clue what his time scale is. As far as I know he's still immortal (at least i don't remember anything saying otherwise), it could be his plan won't be the focus of the next game at all - hell possibly the next several games. Meaning that someone with intimate knowledge of ancient elves might not be needed at all plot wise. And if it is? There isn't any reason that Abelas would be the only possibility.

So characters are brought back before. Why devs should stop doing it right now? What makes Abelas such a character that he shouldn't be brought back? Other than your personal opinion? Besides Morrigan decided to kill him. It was possible because Inky didn't complete the rituals but then again it was Morrigan's decision not Inky's.

We don't know how powerful character Abelas actually is. He is not just a random guy. He can tell us a lot about the elven culture. He can offer information that is not available to everybody and gives us something that we can use to save the world again. Like aldien pointed out he is familiar. Why should the devs create similar character when they already have created him and he is familiar to people and there already are people who like him?  I bet we are going to see a lot of new characters and companions because our existing companions have other things to do.

I think Solas' story will be resolved in next DA4. They can resolve it later but then there is a risk that all the other games before that game feel that they are there just to prolong the resolution. If the next DA game doesn't involve elves then there is no story reason to bring him back. I don't support him for the next companion or LI just because of who he is but I also see that there are a lot of interesting possibilities to tell the story. But I also like the character and I want to see him again. So why not if it's possible?

[Cz-99]

Where are people getting this "It's really hard to kill ancient elves" thing from? From what I remember, Solas said the Evanuris were tough/impossible to kill, not regular ancient elves. Didn't Abelas say with each attack/awakening they lose more and more people? If they were truly unkillable/nigh-unkillable their numbers wouldn't be diminishing. Unless I'm remembering the conversations incorrectly, of course.

 

Regardless, I'm against Deus Ex Machina, and if they're killable they should stay dead. When he dies there's more evidence that he's dead than there is that he survived, so people who killed him are fully justified in wanting him to stay dead. If everyone that dies just comes back, Bioware might as well just replace the "kill" option with a "hug it out" one instead.

[aldien]

Where are people getting this "It's really hard to kill ancient elves" thing from? From what I remember, Solas said the Evanuris were tough/impossible to kill, not regular ancient elves. Didn't Abelas say with each attack/awakening they lose more and more people? If they were truly unkillable/nigh-unkillable their numbers wouldn't be diminishing. Unless I'm remembering the conversations incorrectly, of course.

 

Regardless, I'm against Deus Ex Machina, and if they're killable they should stay dead. When he dies there's more evidence that he's dead than there is that he survived, so people who killed him are fully justified in wanting him to stay dead. If everyone that dies just comes back, Bioware might as well just replace the "kill" option with a "hug it out" one instead.

Solas says the first of his people. The first of his people are the Elvhen. The second would be the modern elf. Abelas is no ordinary elf. It's obvious from the color of his eyes that he has some Mythal voodoo going on just like Morrigan and Flemeth. 

 

If he died. You do not know that he is dead. What evidence? I don't remember seeing the coroner's report. I am also fully justified in wanting him alive. Neither one of us know if he died if that option was selected. More importantly they have brought characters back many times for lesser reasons. Why aren't you complaining about the ones that have been reintroduced? Did Abelas's possible demise offend you more than them or was this the first DA game you played? When it comes down to it, he'd make a great love interest. That's why I'm here. I want to see more of him because he is hot. I don't give a flying monkey that he may or may not be dead. It isn't that important. It won't make or break the game for me or for you if he comes back. 

[Abelas Forever!]

Where are people getting this "It's really hard to kill ancient elves" thing from? From what I remember, Solas said the Evanuris were tough/impossible to kill, not regular ancient elves. Didn't Abelas say with each attack/awakening they lose more and more people? If they were truly unkillable/nigh-unkillable their numbers wouldn't be diminishing. Unless I'm remembering the conversations incorrectly, of course.

 

Regardless, I'm against Deus Ex Machina, and if they're killable they should stay dead. When he dies there's more evidence that he's dead than there is that he survived, so people who killed him are fully justified in wanting him to stay dead. If everyone that dies just comes back, Bioware might as well just replace the "kill" option with a "hug it out" one instead.

Like aldien said first of Solas people' are ancient elves. Solas might mean just gods but then again elven gods are just powerful mages. Abelas clearly isn't just anybody. He is the leader of the sentinels so I think it's safe to assume that he is more powerful than the rest of the sentinels. The numbers of sentinels can diminish from various reasons and this is pure speculation because we know so little of the ancient elves. Anyway it could be that they are easier to kill because they are not powerful enough, there is some kind of time limit or number limit how often or many times a person can be resurrected, other sentinels aren't powerful enough so they won't survive the resurrection, only leaders are allowed to be resurrect, there is limited amount of artifacts that can be used in resurrecting people.

I would like to know what are all these evidence that proves that he is dead because we see Morrigan stabbing him and he collapses. But we know that Flemeth/Mythal could be resurrected so it could be used also in ancient elven Empire and I think this is quite likely. Abelas also mutters strange words before he died.

People are justified in wanting him to be dead but so are people who like him are also justified in wanting to see him again and justified in wanting that he will become an LI or companions or whatever. If they will brought him back it doesn't mean that all the dead characters will come back. Of course it's good to keep in mind that it's not a good idea to bring everybody back but then again Abelas is just one character. Besides there can be other consequences of killing him than his death.
 

[zeypher]

What is with you people wanting to screw everything that moves.

[Abelas Forever!]

Not everybody but Abelas is especially hot Even though he gets so little screen time he has this strange personal charm which I can't forget and I don't want to

[aldien]

What is with you people wanting to screw everything that moves.

Well I can definitively say not you... so not everything that moves. What a way to add to the conversation. I am not going to waste my time explaining my point of view to someone who makes a remark like this.

[Tielis]

What is with you people wanting to screw everything that moves.

 

[daveliam]

People are justified in wanting him to be dead but so are people who like him are also justified in wanting to see him again and justified in wanting that he will become an LI or companions or whatever. If they will brought him back it doesn't mean that all the dead characters will come back. Of course it's good to keep in mind that it's not a good idea to bring everybody back but then again Abelas is just one character. Besides there can be other consequences of killing him than his death.
 

 

But here's the crux of the problem for me:  Of course everyone is justified in what they want.  But the fact that you want him as a companion and LI means that, if you get your way, everyone gets stuck with him.  Which means that it gets forced on people who chose the option where he died.  If you were just asking for him to make an appearance of some kind in DA4, I'd support it.  Because then it could be optional and removed from playthroughs where he's dead.  But the role that you are asking for him to play means that they have to do yet another 'magical resurrection retcon' and, frankly, I think that they weaken the story.  Basically, I have no issues with Abelas himself.  And I have no issues with Abelas returning in DA4 in a small, optional role.  But I don't want to see any characters who can be dead being retconned as back to life because "magic reasons" when it's not necessary.

[aldien]

But here's the crux of the problem for me:  Of course everyone is justified in what they want.  But the fact that you want him as a companion and LI means that, if you get your way, everyone gets stuck with him.  Which means that it gets forced on people who chose the option where he died.  If you were just asking for him to make an appearance of some kind in DA4, I'd support it.  Because then it could be optional and removed from playthroughs where he's dead.  But the role that you are asking for him to play means that they have to do yet another 'magical resurrection retcon' and, frankly, I think that they weaken the story.  Basically, I have no issues with Abelas himself.  And I have no issues with Abelas returning in DA4 in a small, optional role.  But I don't want to see any characters who can be dead being retconned as back to life because "magic reasons" when it's not necessary.

We do not know that he died. It wasn't obvious. Everyone who chose that option assumes he did. Unlike some of the previous deaths that have resulted in resurrection, I do honestly believe this one has more room for a plausible explanation. If he did the same horcrux thing as Flemeth would that be plausible? If one of the sentinels healed him after the Inquisition left? How about this: he just survives the wound? Hell, it's more plausible than Inky surviving the blast during the conclave. To be fair, Morrigan manages to stab him through a plate of armor. The whole thing was not executed well or logical in that respect. If he had landed in a pool of lava, I wouldn't be arguing this. But he didn't. Magical dude, with yellow eyes like Flemeth, Elvhen dies from single stab wound actually sounds less plausible than him surviving.

 

I would much rather be labored with a sexy sentinel in the next game than another Sera thank you very much.

[Abelas Forever!]

But here's the crux of the problem for me:  Of course everyone is justified in what they want.  But the fact that you want him as a companion and LI means that, if you get your way, everyone gets stuck with him.  Which means that it gets forced on people who chose the option where he died.  If you were just asking for him to make an appearance of some kind in DA4, I'd support it.  Because then it could be optional and removed from playthroughs where he's dead.  But the role that you are asking for him to play means that they have to do yet another 'magical resurrection retcon' and, frankly, I think that they weaken the story.  Basically, I have no issues with Abelas himself.  And I have no issues with Abelas returning in DA4 in a small, optional role.  But I don't want to see any characters who can be dead being retconned as back to life because "magic reasons" when it's not necessary.

Yes there can be a magic reason to resurrect him. It might be the same reason Flemeth/Mythal used in DA2. In that case it wouldn't be a retcon.

Was it ok to you that Leliana, Morrigan and Corypheus were in DA:I?

Usually the thing with the suggestions are that if a person doesn't like that particular suggestion and that suggestion is implemented then that person is stuck with it even though that person has opposed that suggestion. If people would suggest bringing Dagna back to DA4 and it would happen then I would be stuck with her even though I wouldn't like it. What comes to Abelas dying it really wasn't direct player choice. Morrigan did that choice for you. I was also forced to accept that. I don't think bringing Abelas back would be any different than that. Sometimes players have choices and sometimes they don't. Sometimes their choices have different consequences than they had assumed.

 

When it's not necessary?

[daveliam]

We do not know that he died. It wasn't obvious. Everyone who chose that option assumes he did. Unlike some of the previous deaths that have resulted in resurrection, I do honestly believe this one has more room for a plausible explanation. If he did the same horcrux thing as Flemeth would that be plausible? If one of the sentinels healed him after the Inquisition left? How about this: he just survives the wound? Hell, it's more plausible than Inky surviving the blast during the conclave. To be fair, Morrigan manages to stab him through a plate of armor. The whole thing was not executed well or logical in that respect. If he had landed in a pool of lava, I wouldn't be arguing this. But he didn't. Magical dude, with yellow eyes like Flemeth, Elvhen dies from single stab wound actually sounds less plausible than him surviving.

 

I would much rather be labored with a sexy sentinel in the next game than another Sera thank you very much.

 

Except that they specifically say that he's dead.  Three different characters discuss how he's been killed.  As they are standing over his dead body. 

 

 

 

Yes there can be a magic reason to resurrect him. It might be the same reason Flemeth/Mythal used in DA2. In that case it wouldn't be a retcon.

Was it ok to you that Leliana, Morrigan and Corypheus were in DA:I?

 

After saying explicitly that he's dead in DA:I, if they decided that he came back in a similar way as Flemeth, then, yes, it would be a retcon.  That's pretty much the perfect example of a retcon.

 

And, no, I'm not okay with any of the other 'magical resurrection retcons' either.  That's the point.  Many people are not happy with them.  And the less of them, the better. 

 

Look, there are characters that I'd like to see included in future games (like Yavana, Carver, Sigrun, etc.), but I recognize that they either couldn't be a major character (because they could be dead) or present at all (because they are dead) without major retcons.  And I'd prefer to see no more resurrection retcons.  I get that you like this character, but all of the "what ifs" and "maybe, just maybes" should demonstrate that it would be a pretty weak addition to include him in a major role in the future.  Now, another ancient elf (one who can't be dead)?  I'd be totally in favor of. 

[aldien]

Except that they specifically say that he's dead.  Three different characters discuss how he's been killed.  As they are standing over his dead body. 

 

 

 

 

After saying explicitly that he's dead in DA:I, if they decided that he came back in a similar way as Flemeth, then, yes, it would be a retcon.  That's pretty much the perfect example of a retcon.

 

And, no, I'm not okay with any of the other 'magical resurrection retcons' either.  That's the point.  Many people are not happy with them.  And the less of them, the better. 

 

Look, there are characters that I'd like to see included in future games (like Yavana, Carver, Sigrun, etc.), but I recognize that they either couldn't be a major character (because they could be dead) or present at all (because they are dead) without major retcons.  And I'd prefer to see no more resurrection retcons.  I get that you like this character, but all of the "what ifs" and "maybe, just maybes" should demonstrate that it would be a pretty weak addition to include him in a major role in the future.  Now, another ancient elf (one who can't be dead)?  I'd be totally in favor of. 

It was an assumption made by the Inquisitor.  It does not equal fact. I mean we could argue this all day if you want. It's also quite poignant that the one who was knifed to begin with does the knifing yet we do not hear screams of protest. Please... the problem is the door was open a long time ago by the writers to do this. I really don't mind it especially if it is a character worth investigating further. I really do believe Abelas is worth investigating, especially in light of this last dlc's revelations. Yes, I do think he's attractive. But I also love the potential of the character. It would simply be a waste to let it go. I guess that's why I am so stubborn about it

 

This is the one time I strongly desire to see a character brought back and I get trolled to death. Not by you. I appreciate your points and that you have been respectful making them. What of those of us who let him live? Our position is no better than the one you are stating. It would be interesting if they could implement something that allows those who let him live to have him as a companion versus those who didn't. I'd even settle as a companion for a short time than not at all.

 

But that ancient elf has to have the thighs otherwise I'm not sold on the idea

[Tielis]

But here's the crux of the problem for me:  Of course everyone is justified in what they want.  But the fact that you want him as a companion and LI means that, if you get your way, everyone gets stuck with him.  Which means that it gets forced on people who chose the option where he died.  If you were just asking for him to make an appearance of some kind in DA4, I'd support it.  Because then it could be optional and removed from playthroughs where he's dead.  But the role that you are asking for him to play means that they have to do yet another 'magical resurrection retcon' and, frankly, I think that they weaken the story.  Basically, I have no issues with Abelas himself.  And I have no issues with Abelas returning in DA4 in a small, optional role.  But I don't want to see any characters who can be dead being retconned as back to life because "magic reasons" when it's not necessary.

 

You know, you do almost always have the choice of not letting companions join...

[aldien]

Amen... you know they could implement something where say you have an LI who could be either Abelas, or if you are set on him being dead. could be someone else but voiced by the same actor. If you chose to let him live you get the Abelas model. If you chose to let Morrigan (who should also really be dead) stab him then you get a different model. See that is a win/win and completely doable.  Personally, I think people are putting too much emphasis on death in a video game. If it were a book I could understand the outrage.

[daveliam]

It was an assumption made by the Inquisitor.  It does not equal fact. I mean we could argue this all day if you want. It's also quite poignant that the one who was knifed to begin with does the knifing yet we do not hear screams of protest. Please... the problem is the door was open a long time ago by the writers to do this. I really don't mind it especially if it is a character worth investigating further. I really do believe Abelas is worth investigating, especially in light of this last dlc's revelations. Yes, I do think he's attractive. But I also love the potential of the character. It would simply be a waste to let it go. I guess that's why I am so stubborn about it

 

This is the one time I strongly desire to see a character brought back and I get trolled to death. Not by you. I appreciate your points and that you have been respectful making them. What of those of us who let him live? Our position is no better than the one you are stating. It would be interesting if they could implement something that allows those who let him live to have him as a companion versus those who didn't. I'd even settle as a companion for a short time than not at all.

 

But that ancient elf has to have the thighs otherwise I'm not sold on the idea

 

Yeah, I get that you like the character and I can appreciate that.  I think Carver is sexy as hell.  I'd love for him to come back in a future game, older and wiser and even sexier (bearded?).  I just know that it's really not possible given that he can be dead.  So I can understand where you are coming from.  I get that we are at an impass on this.  I just wanted to make the counter point clear.  It's beyond 'not liking Abelas' or 'hating on the character'.  It's not that at all. 

 

Sidenote:  I'd be more open to it if it were done like Morrigan's stabbing in Witch Hunt.  Morrigan gets stabbed and immediately falls, still alive, through the Eluvian.  She could be dead, but we never see a body.  With Abelas (and Leliana and Wynne and Anders), there's a confirmed dead body and that's where the line is drawn with me.  Now, had Abelas been stabbed and fallen, still alive, into the Well, I'd be more open to it.  But, instead, he is stabbed.  Blood flows from his mouth and he falls dead to the ground.  And then several characters stand above his dead body discussing how he's dead.  It's just a little too much for it to be 'ambiguous'.  I wasn't thrilled with the Morrigan resurrection either, but it was a little less obnoxious than the dead bodies ones are.

 

You know, you do almost always have the choice of not letting companions join...

 

I don't see how this is relevant.  To not let him join, you'd either have to metagame and skip the area entirely (if even possible) or you'd have to meet and have a discussion with a dead character and then reject them.  I don't see how that helps out in this situation, given that the entire concern is the unbelievable magical resurrection of a character.

 

 

Amen... you know they could implement something where say you have an LI who could be either Abelas, or if you are set on him being dead. could be someone else but voiced by the same actor. If you chose to let him live you get the Abelas model. If you chose to let Morrigan (who should also really be dead) stab him then you get a different model. See that is a win/win and completely doable.  Personally, I think people are putting too much emphasis on death in a video game. If it were a book I could understand the outrage.

 

This feels like alot of work to accommodate a character who could be dead.  Why not just create a different ancient elf character who was Abelas' protege?  That's more believable and would still give you a sexy ancient elf guy, right?

 

That being said, I'd love it if they started doing mutually exclusive companions, like Obsidian did in KOTOR2.  Like, if you side with Faction A, you get one character.  If you side with Faction B, you get a different one.  But, like your suggestion, is likely way too many resources to put in without having to water down each companion substantially.

[Tielis]

Still hung up on the death thing, I see.

 

Have you ever considered that all these "wrong resurrections" are trying to make a point about Thedas and/or the Elvhen?  Death does not mean death!  It is part of the magic of Thedas and your character thinks that it a) must be stopped, or must be embraced.

 

Mundanes vs. Mages has been the primary struggle since Dragon Age Day One.

[aldien]

Yeah, I get that you like the character and I can appreciate that.  I think Carver is sexy as hell.  I'd love for him to come back in a future game, older and wiser and even sexier (bearded?).  I just know that it's really not possible given that he can be dead.  So I can understand where you are coming from.  I get that we are at an impass on this.  I just wanted to make the counter point clear.  It's beyond 'not liking Abelas' or 'hating on the character'.  It's not that at all. 

 

Sidenote:  I'd be more open to it if it were done like Morrigan's stabbing in Witch Hunt.  Morrigan gets stabbed and immediately falls, still alive, through the Eluvian.  She could be dead, but we never see a body.  With Abelas (and Leliana and Wynne and Anders), there's a confirmed dead body and that's where the line is drawn with me.  Now, had Abelas been stabbed and fallen, still alive, into the Well, I'd be more open to it.  But, instead, he is stabbed.  Blood flows from his mouth and he falls dead to the ground.  And then several characters stand above his dead body discussing how he's dead.  It's just a little too much for it to be 'ambiguous'.  I wasn't thrilled with the Morrigan resurrection either, but it was a little less obnoxious than the dead bodies ones are.

 

 

I don't see how this is relevant.  To not let him join, you'd either have to metagame and skip the area entirely (if even possible) or you'd have to meet and have a discussion with a dead character and then reject them.  I don't see how that helps out in this situation, given that the entire concern is the unbelievable magical resurrection of a character.

 

 

 

This feels like alot of work to accommodate a character who could be dead.  Why not just create a different ancient elf character who was Abelas' protege?  That's more believable and would still give you a sexy ancient elf guy, right?

 

That being said, I'd love it if they started doing mutually exclusive companions, like Obsidian did in KOTOR2.  Like, if you side with Faction A, you get one character.  If you side with Faction B, you get a different one.  But, like your suggestion, is likely way too many resources to put in without having to water down each companion substantially.

Actually, I put some thought into the solution. If you had an ancient elf that was not Abelas but voiced by the same actor the only difference would be added lines depending on their role or the exclusion of the name. Say, Abelas was like Cullen in that he didn't travel with you but you could optionally romance him. I could see Abelas as an adviser when it comes to Solas because I don't see Abelas joining Solas at all. I won't go into why. So let's say you opted to kill Abelas. Instead, your adviser has the same body but head swap. It's still an ancient elf with the same voice and same role. Other than some altered lines it isn't a ton of extra resources. As long as you have the same body mesh and voice actor.

[daveliam]

Still hung up on the death thing, I see.

 

Have you ever considered that all these "wrong resurrections" are trying to make a point about Thedas and/or the Elvhen?  Death does not mean death!  It is part of the magic of Thedas and your character thinks that it a) must be stopped, or must be embraced.

 

Mundanes vs. Mages has been the primary struggle since Dragon Age Day One.

 

So now you are claiming that Elvhen magic is the reason why Leliana's head can get reattached?  Or how Anders recovered from an arrow through his neck?  Okay.....

 

I'm going to think that, in this case, if it quacks like a duck, it's a duck.  A lame retconning duck.

 

 

Actually, I put some thought into the solution. If you had an ancient elf that was not Abelas but voiced by the same actor the only difference would be added lines depending on their role or the exclusion of the name. Say, Abelas was like Cullen in that he didn't travel with you but you could optionally romance him. I could see Abelas as an adviser when it comes to Solas because I don't see Abelas joining Solas at all. I won't go into why. So let's say you opted to kill Abelas. Instead, your adviser has the same body but head swap. It's still an ancient elf with the same voice and same role. Other than some altered lines it isn't a ton of extra resources. As long as you have the same body mesh and voice actor.

 

I admire your dedication to elven thighs.  They are waaaay too skinny for my liking, but I support your quest to get sexy elven thighs on an LI in the next game. 

[Abelas Forever!]

Except that they specifically say that he's dead.  Three different characters discuss how he's been killed.  As they are standing over his dead body. 

 

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After saying explicitly that he's dead in DA:I, if they decided that he came back in a similar way as Flemeth, then, yes, it would be a retcon.  That's pretty much the perfect example of a retcon.

 

And, no, I'm not okay with any of the other 'magical resurrection retcons' either.  That's the point.  Many people are not happy with them.  And the less of them, the better. 

 

Look, there are characters that I'd like to see included in future games (like Yavana, Carver, Sigrun, etc.), but I recognize that they either couldn't be a major character (because they could be dead) or present at all (because they are dead) without major retcons.  And I'd prefer to see no more resurrection retcons.  I get that you like this character, but all of the "what ifs" and "maybe, just maybes" should demonstrate that it would be a pretty weak addition to include him in a major role in the future.  Now, another ancient elf (one who can't be dead)?  I'd be totally in favor of. 

They discuss whether he is dead but none of them makes sure that he is actually dead instead of being badly injured.

Those people assume that he is dead but as far as I know it's not said anywhere that he actually died. But if retcon means that people think that he is dead even though there is way in lore to explain his death in some other way I'm not going to argue. Although I don't think that kind of retcon is a bad thing because there is a logical way to explain his death and it's a better way than Leliana for example.

I'm using a lot of "maybes" and "what ifs" because I'm presenting what kind of possibilities the devs have with Abelas. Those "what ifs" are not sign of a weakness but a sign of a possibilities. I bet the devs could come up even more of them and probably better examples that I have given. The difference with Abelas and for example Carver is that I don't know what Carver would do in the next DA game. We have heard his story and he could make a cameo but honestly I don't know what else he could offer unless devs make up something. If he would come back then fine. It wouldn't be a big deal but I just don't see any reason for that.