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[Katebe94]

Well, something about the way Solas talks about 'his' people and their hope 'for restoration' along with Cole's comment to Solas:

 

"They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them..."

 

Strongly implies that many of the ancient elves are not quite dead dead, that many are in some kind of in-between 'sleeping' state: perhaps not unlike uthenera? I went back and looked at Solas' intereactions with Abelas at the Well of Sorrows. I missed this the first time as my quizzy is a human, but if you meet Abelas as an elf you can say: (transcribed directly from here: ):

 

 

Lavellan: Our people have lost everything. They need you. They could learn from you!

 

Abelas: "Our" people? The ones we see in the forest, shadows wearing vallaslin? You are not my people.

 

 

If Lavellan then allies with the Sentinels and has Solas along with him/her, you get this:

 

 

Solas: There are other places, friend, other duties. Your people yet linger.

 

Abelas: Elvhen such as you?

 

Solas: Yes. Such as I.

 

Then:

 

Solas: There is a place for you, Lethallin... if you seek it

 

[...]

 

Solas: Malas amelin ne halam, Abelas

 

Solas; His name. Abelas means sorrow. I said I hoped he finds a new name

 

 

First up: woah, you can see from the contrasting ways he treats Lavellan/Solas that Abelas DEFINITELY recognized Solas as an ancient elf, one of his people. And Solas is straight-up lying (surprise!) when he translates his parting words to Abelas. I can't translate all of it but I think 'ne halam' means 'your end'.

 

The urgency with which Solas says it coupled with his earlier words  'your people' (ie the ancient elves, not the 'shadows wearing vallaslin' still 'linger' suggests he is saying that this need not be Abelas' end. 

 

Makes me think two things: firstly, that there are likely more ancient elves knocking around Thedas than we had anticipated. There's even an interesting hint in Trespasser: if you talk to Leliana, she says that there have been reports of 'strange elves like the ones we saw in the Temple of Mythal' in the Tirishan.

 

Secondly, that one of the things driving Solas forward is the fact that he is truly trying to save his people: that somewhere, probably past the veil, some part of them remains. In that sense all their lives are resting on him, and he would have all their blood on his hands if he didn't find a way to restore them. 

 

[On a side note, I think where this is going has quite a funny thread of poetic justice, as well as being very tragic and all.  All the way down from Tolkien wiring about elves has often lingered on the romanticism of a lost golden age and fading people. In Dragon Age, the ancient elves are striking back: they're going to bloody well restore their empire, and if it involves a little genocide then so be it, shemlen!]

[Solas]

Last Court also contains reference to strange elves around the Tirashan.

[Serza]

They began with this during The Last Court?

 

Oh, man. They planned all along, didn't they. The Elvhen will return.

 

But if I am not one of their people... Then they are not my people. Banal'Dareth, Fen'Harel...

[Jeniva]

I noticed this the moment we had the post credits scene with Solas. 
I wonder if Solas has these old elves some where with his growing spies etc? 

[TobiTobsen]

Ah... more of that supremacist folk? If they get all in one place it's easier to finish this once and for all.

[TeaLulu]

Does this imply that all the Elves at the end of Trespasser who leave the inquisition under "mysterious circumstances" are, in fact, not elves of our time, but ancient elves that Solas has gathered and had specifically placed in the Inquisition as spies?

 

Does this also imply that they may be some of his original followers? If so, why are they not pissed as hell at him for making the Veil? Are they really that understanding?

 

The "agents" who allowed the Venatori to locate the orb, are they all ancient elves as well?

 

Ergo, are the Elves of Thedas therefore useless to Solas and his plans? They are descendants of ancient elves, but not ancient elves themselves: they are not truly "elvhen", but as Abelas says, Shadows. Mere reflections of the past with no real substance.

 

Has Solas been seeking more ancient elves, seeking to awaken them? Elves hidden away in Uthenera, or deep in the forests protecting the shrines of their gods for millenia? How many of them will be receptive to him, considering what he did to lock away their gods? Do ALL of his former followrs still wish to follow him? Or will some defect? Will one of these defectors be a companion perhaps in a later game?

 

Once the Veil falls, will any future Elves born after that point (If it falls), be truly Elvhen? Or has the capacity for being truly Elvhen been lost in the generations after the creation of the Veil and fall of Arlathan? If one of the ancient elves has a child is it considered Elvhen, or is it but a shadow because it lacks that connection to the Fade?

 

Was Felassan an ancient elf?

 

PPBBLLLTTt. too much. stuff....to consider....

 

If all that is true, then it makes the current-age Elves of Thedas truly the most downtrodden and poor people. They are not even considered "People" by the ancient Elves, not even considered relatives. They will die just as easily when the Veil falls as anyone else, and the Ancient Elves may not give a single toot about them.

 

Sucks to be an Elf.

[Katebe94]

 

 

They began with this during The Last Court?

 

Oh, man. They planned all along, didn't they. The Elvhen will return.

 

But if I am not one of their people... Then they are not my people. Banal'Dareth, Fen'Harel...

 

Ahh I know right! It's so cool how the devs have been laying seeds for this all through the series - just look at Sandal's prophecy

 

Does this imply that all the Elves at the end of Trespasser who leave the inquisition under "mysterious circumstances" are, in fact, not elves of our time, but ancient elves that Solas has gathered and had specifically placed in the Inquisition as spies?

 

Does this also imply that they may be some of his original followers? If so, why are they not pissed as hell at him for making the Veil? Are they really that understanding?

 

The "agents" who allowed the Venatori to locate the orb, are they all ancient elves as well?

 

Ergo, are the Elves of Thedas therefore useless to Solas and his plans? They are descendants of ancient elves, but not ancient elves themselves: they are not truly "elvhen", but as Abelas says, Shadows. Mere reflections of the past with no real substance.

 

Has Solas been seeking more ancient elves, seeking to awaken them? Elves hidden away in Uthenera, or deep in the forests protecting the shrines of their gods for millenia? How many of them will be receptive to him, considering what he did to lock away their gods? Do ALL of his former followrs still wish to follow him? Or will some defect? Will one of these defectors be a companion perhaps in a later game?

 

Once the Veil falls, will any future Elves born after that point (If it falls), be truly Elvhen? Or has the capacity for being truly Elvhen been lost in the generations after the creation of the Veil and fall of Arlathan? If one of the ancient elves has a child is it considered Elvhen, or is it but a shadow because it lacks that connection to the Fade?

 

Was Felassan an ancient elf?

 

PPBBLLLTTt. too much. stuff....to consider....

 

If all that is true, then it makes the current-age Elves of Thedas truly the most downtrodden and poor people. They are not even considered "People" by the ancient Elves, not even considered relatives. They will die just as easily when the Veil falls as anyone else, and the Ancient Elves may not give a single toot about them.

 

Sucks to be an Elf.

 

Not sure - I think we would have noticed? The ancient elves look different in-game (purely going on comparisons between Solas and the sentinel elves). They appear to be larger and have a goldish tinge to their skin. 

 

They could definitely be some of his original followers I guess! I'm not sure, but Solas does tell us that every other possibility (apart from making the veil) was worse. Its possible they could understand this. Or in DA4 Solas will meet some pretty pissed ancient elves and have a elvhen civil war on his hands, ha. 

 

Sucks to be an elf - so true! That epilogue slide of the elves going off to join the dread wolf's forces gave me chills because it was just so sad :'(

 

 

EDIT: I suck at multiquote

[Serza]

Exactly! I love it when I find out that this particular event I never saw coming has been foreshadowed as f*ck in so much of the previous story.

 

Then I can put the puzzle together, and be like "Well, sh*t, I LOVE THIS!"