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[Al Foley]

OK so this title is a bit perverse but in a way I was very grateful how Solas's master plan unveiled himself.  

 

You see back when Mass Effect 3 ended there was a problem with it.  Synthesis.  It remains the one big thing about the ending that prevents it from getting an A rating from me.  Because, it seemed like, what they were doing was trying to go for a diversity scheme.  But it was a false diversity.  The message was supposed to be 'everyone is the same and worthwhile and worthy of life' instead what we got 'everyone should be forced into being exactly the same, or else!'

 

Now what this has to do with DA and Tresspassers is, even before DA came out, there was a theory that I was reading somewhere about the Fade.  That it was essentially an artificial construct, and that the veil was an artificial construct.  And well, the fear and idea, that I heard about throughout these boards and the evidence was...the veil was a problem.  Rip down the veil and everything will be peachy and lovely and unicorns will be flying, dragons will be reborn, puppies in every house, humans and spirits living together...you see where this might be a problem.  Again forced diversity on people without any understanding for the consequences or the problems.  

 

Yet in Tresspassers Solas reveals the ultimate plan behind his very exisistance.  He wants to tear down the veil...to KILL everything else, destroy our world to bring his back into being.  This plan is not about diversity, in any shape and form, its anti diversity.  Heck in some ways Solas is a Reaper.  He wants to force his solution on people to end the cycle of what he sees.  Its really the exact same situation and choice we were facing at the end of ME 3.  

 

EXCEPT that this time we have the choice, the actual choice to say NO.  That is all I wanted at the end of ME 3.  To have the opprotunity to prove the Catalyst wrong.  And the structure of the Dragon Age series, the writing, we now have that choice.  We can now have the opprotunity.  In fact Solas welcomes the chance for being wrong.  We can chose to destroy him, or try to reason to him.  

 

Whatever happens in the DA series from here on out this, is now the reason, I prefer the series to ME.  The series reached the same crisis moment as ME did, but instead of faltering, they shined beautifully.  I mean hell, from within universe and context Solas's motivations actually make a lot more sense then the Reapers.  

 

And I look forward to proving him wrong, to trying to build a better future, because I do not think this is last we have heard of this choice, or Fen'Harel.  

[Serza]

'Tis why we have to stop him.

 

Ghilas'him banal'vhen, Fen'Harel. Mana, mana din'anshiral, Solas.

[Al Foley]

'Tis why we have to stop him.

 

Ghilas'him banal'vhen, Fen'Harel. Mana, mana din'anshiral, Solas.

What does that mean?

[Serza]

"You walk a path that leads astray, Dread Wolf. Stop, stop your journey to death, Solas."

 

 

I know that odd bit of Elven, ok?

[Al Foley]

"You walk a path that leads astray, Dread Wolf. Stop, stop your journey to death, Solas."

 

 

I know that odd bit of Elven, ok?

I like it.

[Serza]

He's very likely to reply with the word "Halam'shivanas" - the sweet sacrifice of duty.

 

If that happens, stop persuading, start raining death!

[Dabrikishaw]

I'm happy for you, but I'm skeptical this is even going to get anywhere near happening.

[Xilizhra]

I kind of liked Synthesis, so my goal would be to find a way to undo the Veil without killing everyone.

[Al Foley]

I kind of liked Synthesis, so my goal would be to find a way to undo the Veil without killing everyone.

That could happen.  But I doubt it.  Heh.  If some of the other ideas I have about the Fade are correct sadly reopening it to the whole world might automatically mean its death no matter what you do.  Via Blight. 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

You know, in ME3, the option to destroy the catalyse was the option rejecting the choices of the space boy. So you did have the option to reject all the choices.

[maia0407]

And I look forward to proving him wrong, to trying to build a better future, because I do not think this is last we have heard of this choice, or Fen'Harel.  

How do we prove him wrong, though? He winds up respecting some Inquisitors; however, the inquisitor was put in very unique circumstances caused by Solas and handled those circumstances in a way that Solas respected. Solas believes that the Inquisitor is unique in all of Thedas; she's an anomaly. He still views the rest of the world as lesser and akin to tranquil.

 

So, how do we go about proving to him, without the benefit of being around him all the time, that everyone is worth saving? Do we go around cleaning up his messes in a Solas approved way? That still only increases his respect for the Inquisitor and not anyone else. Do we hold a 'Thedas Got Talent' contest and bring out our best and brightest to impress him? Don't get me wrong, I'd love a chance to redeem him; I'm just not sure how this 'proving him wrong' business will work in practice.

[Al Foley]

How do we prove him wrong, though? He winds up respecting some Inquisitors; however, the inquisitor was put in very unique circumstances caused by Solas and handled those circumstances in a way that Solas respected. Solas believes that the Inquisitor is unique in all of Thedas; she's an anomaly. He still views the rest of the world as lesser and akin to tranquil.

 

So, how do we go about proving to him, without the benefit of being around him all the time, that everyone is worth saving? Do we go around cleaning up his messes in a Solas approved way? That still only increases his respect for the Inquisitor and not anyone else. Do we hold a 'Thedas Got Talent' contest and bring out our best and brightest to impress him? Don't get me wrong, I'd love a chance to redeem him; I'm just not sure how this 'proving him wrong' business will work in practice.

I don't know either, that is part of the grandness of it all.

[Twilight_Princess]

You know, in ME3, the option to destroy the catalyse was the option rejecting the choices of the space boy. So you did have the option to reject all the choices.

 

But we didn't have a choice to challenge the catalyst. I think if you made peace with the quarians and geth, had a massive amount of assets and high influence  you could make it aware it had faulty logic and have a new option that only destroyed the reapers.

[Xilizhra]

But we didn't have a choice to challenge the catalyst. I think if you made peace with the quarians and geth, had a massive amount of assets and high influence  you could make it aware it had faulty logic and have a new option that only destroyed the reapers.

That wasn't the issue. The mechanics of the Destroy option would destroy all synthetics regardless of the Catalyst's opinion.

 

If you have faith in organics being able to live in peace with synthetics, pick Control, since it doesn't affect either.

[dragondreamer]

How do we prove him wrong, though? He winds up respecting some Inquisitors; however, the inquisitor was put in very unique circumstances caused by Solas and handled those circumstances in a way that Solas respected. Solas believes that the Inquisitor is unique in all of Thedas; she's an anomaly. He still views the rest of the world as lesser and akin to tranquil.

 

So, how do we go about proving to him, without the benefit of being around him all the time, that everyone is worth saving? Do we go around cleaning up his messes in a Solas approved way? That still only increases his respect for the Inquisitor and not anyone else. Do we hold a 'Thedas Got Talent' contest and bring out our best and brightest to impress him? Don't get me wrong, I'd love a chance to redeem him; I'm just not sure how this 'proving him wrong' business will work in practice.

 

Solas can tell a romanced Inquisitor that she proved to him that everyone else are people, but it doesn't matter, it just makes it more painful for him.  He's going to go through with his plan anyway.  I think his guilt won't let him give up trying to undo what he did, even if it's a really bad idea.

 

What I find interesting, is that at least one of his dialogue options suggests he doesn't really know for sure that lifting the veil will destroy everything.  He just assumes it will.  Based on what happened the last time he dramatically altered the world, it's probably not off the mark.  And playing with the possibility is, of course, a terrible idea.  Still, the unknown is intriguing.  Especially since I get the feeling from all the foreshadowing throughout the series that the magic coming back may happen one way or another.  (And I think this may prelude the return of the Evanuris and their Forgotten friends, who will make Solas look like Mr Rogers.  Solas says he's has "plans" where they're involved, but we know how his plans tend to go.)

 

I wonder if lifting the veil is really the only option.  Perhaps if the veil could be simply altered, the results wouldn't be as destructive.

[SwobyJ]

The Catalyst isn't our friend and Synthesis is a dream.

 

Hehe.

[jedidotflow]

Wow, three years in and people still refuse to comprehend the ME Synthesis ending. 

[roselavellan]

I wonder if lifting the veil is really the only option.  Perhaps if the veil could be simply altered, the results wouldn't be as destructive.

 

Yes, I keep wishing I could just grab him, shake him, and say "Come on, Solas! Let's think of another way!!"

[SwobyJ]

Wow, three years in and people still refuse to comprehend the ME Synthesis ending.

I embrace the posthumanism actually.

[calvinien]

"You walk a path that leads astray, Dread Wolf. Stop, stop your journey to death, Solas."

 

 

I know that odd bit of Elven, ok?

 How would one say "die alone you you bald arrogant jag?"

[Al Foley]

Wow, three years in and people still refuse to comprehend the ME Synthesis ending. 

Interesting word choice.