Both of these require that trials be "always on" from the very start of the game... but that's impossible.
You can't set the trials to "on" until you have control of your character on the bridge in Haven, but you can gain approval or disapproval while still in the dungeon. Is this intended? I would hate, hate, HATE to get all the way to the Winter Palace before discovering that it was wasted effort.
Trial of the Fools doesn't require to be always on, I don't see it in achievements description.
As for Trial of the Lovers... I was wondering about it myself. Also wondered which Winter Palace event does it refer to. I expect it to be about Trespasser, but they could word it differently.
When selecting difficulity before the character creator, scroll all the way to the right -- a new option is added called Custom. You can turn the trials on from there before starting the game.
Excellent, Unable2Connect, I'm glad I posted this thread before starting the game. I'll do as you advise. And you're right, Rascoth, I remember a dev saying that "Trial of the Fool" doesn't require "Take It Slow" to be on at all, but that it makes it much easier to accomplish.
Thank you both for the advice!
Thanks for clarifying how to turn these on pre game. Some trials can be toggled on mid game for the trophy/achievement, but I know that activating Rest Easy right before taking Suledin's Keep doesn't work.
Thanks for clarifying how to turn these on pre game. Some trials can be toggled on mid game for the trophy/achievement, but I know that activating Rest Easy right before taking Suledin's Keep doesn't work.
For this one it's enough to switch on Rest Easy before entering EdL for the first time and keeping it switched on till you get Suledin Keep.
Excellent, Unable2Connect, I'm glad I posted this thread before starting the game. I'll do as you advise. And you're right, Rascoth, I remember a dev saying that "Trial of the Fool" doesn't require "Take It Slow" to be on at all, but that it makes it much easier to accomplish.
Thank you both for the advice!
No problem! It took me three tries starting up my new game last night before I actually saw that option was added there.
I've got Take It Slow on now, but I think it's going to be cutting it close even with it -- you instantly get pushed up to lv2 when you get the tutorial for unlocking new skills at the start anyway.
Avoid codex entries, I picked one up and got 25xp from it, early on picking up a few of them are actually a fair boost.
For those interested in Take It Slow... I enabled it right after leaving dungeons. I avoided most of the fights during prologue and later, avoided all codex entries, didn't make even one side quest, gathered power to progress thru requisitions. Got to Skyhold in a middle of lvl4. So if you're not careful, you can really overdo it.
I totally forgot it's been that long since I did any - requisitions only give power and not xp boost then? I'd avoided them so far since I wasn't sure.
And are all the quests related to the refugees available after Skyhold? I know you get some agents from them. (I might just get the achievement then reload before IYHSB to go back and do stuff that can be missed.)
Requisitions don't give experience.
You can still make refugees quests after reaching Skyhold (though it's been a while since I did it this way..). The only thing that I recall disappearing are some war table missions (and of course all Haven quests).
@Rascoth: Did you do Champions of the Just or In Hushed Whispers? And you would have had to have fought a little in Crossroads or you wouldn't have been able to get to Val Royeaux. Did you play a rogue to enable you to stealth past enemies? And I'm guessing you didn't recruit Viv or Sera.
I did In Hushed Whispers since I was also working on that achievement. But yes, I didn't recruit anyone, played rogue to stealth past everyone I could (even during prologue) and fought only when it was needed to move plot forward (like Crossroads you mentioned and rift in front of Redcliffe).
Pretty much that was my waste pt that I deleted after reaching Skyhold (took me a bit over 3 hours).
Hmm, yeah, that would work. You have to close the rift when you meet Dorian, but if you're a rogue, you can stealth into Redcliffe by climbing around the gate with the rift instead of going through it and then stealthing past the enemies by the Blood Brothers house. You still need 15 points, but as you say, requisitions. I've already got Trial of the Magician, so that would make IHW easier to tackle at low levels. Tell me: can you stealth past the rifts in Redcliffe Castle, or do you have to close them? And yes, I'd probably do it as a throwaway playthrough, too. I was thinking about doing CoJ for my Trial of the Lovers playthrough because if you disband the templars, the approval hits are a lot less.
I actually don't know if you need to close them. Maybe you don't need to, but I did that either way. And to tell the truth I think they don't yield experience (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here).
Yeah, I'm planning to do CotJ for Trial of the Lovers as well.
Hmm, yeah, that would work. You have to close the rift when you meet Dorian, but if you're a rogue, you can stealth into Redcliffe by climbing around the gate with the rift instead of going through it and then stealthing past the enemies by the Blood Brothers house. You still need 15 points, but as you say, requisitions. I've already got Trial of the Magician, so that would make IHW easier to tackle at low levels. Tell me: can you stealth past the rifts in Redcliffe Castle, or do you have to close them? And yes, I'd probably do it as a throwaway playthrough, too. I was thinking about doing CoJ for my Trial of the Lovers playthrough because if you disband the templars, the approval hits are a lot less.
Actually less people disapprove if you choose to recruit the Templars rather than disband them.
Recruit Disapproval: Sera Solas Dorian Cole
Disband Disapproval: Blackwall Cassandra Vivienne Dorian Bull
I would 100% go Hushed Whispers as you can avoid the Cole/Dorian Greatly Disapprove.
Dorian's going to Greatly Disapprove of anything except a mage alliance in IHW, and if if you do that, you're going to incur huge disapproval from Cassandra, Sera, and Vivienne. It's a question of degree. Those who disapprove of recruitment (or in either case from In Hushed Whispers) do so Greatly. Those who disapprove of disbanding the templars are less fanatical about it.
With the trials off, Greatly Disapproves gets you -20 to approval, Disapproves gets you -5, and Slightly Disapproves gets you -1.
My point about choosing to disband the templars is that the only person who GREATLY DISAPPROVES is Dorian, and you can offset a lot of that by choosing "Corypheus must be stopped" when becoming Inquisitor. Cassandra disapproves, but it isn't a "greatly". So it's more a question of scope.
Recruit Disapproval:
Sera: -20 becomes -40
Solas: -20 becomes -40
Dorian: -20 becomes -40 (offset with +20 Greatly Approve when becoming Inquisitor, and a ridiculous amount of approval from his personal quests)
Cole: -20 becomes -40 (he'll leave Skyhold immediately at -30, so this will prevent you from obtaining the achievement)
Disband Disapproval:
Blackwall: -5 becomes -10 (easy to get back with his personal quests)
Cassandra: -5 becomes -10 (do Guilty Pleasures to gain +20)
Vivienne: -1 becomes -2 (Pfft! Not going to worry about that!)
Dorian: -20 becomes -40 (offset with +20 when becoming Inquisitor and do his personal quests)
Iron Bull: -5 becomes -10 (he isn't going to leave over this)
So yeah, this whole thing is going to hinge on Cole. If he leaves, you're never going to get the Trial of the Lovers achievement, so your best bet is to disband the templars.
Disband Disapproval:
Blackwall: -5 becomes -10 (easy to get back with his personal quests)
Cassandra: -5 becomes -10 (do Guilty Pleasures to gain +20)
Vivienne: -1 becomes -2 (Pfft! Not going to worry about that!)
Dorian: -20 becomes -40 (offset with +20 when becoming Inquisitor and do his personal quests)
Iron Bull: -5 becomes -10 (he isn't going to leave over this)
Adding to that: I think only Dorian's and Cole's approval is affected even when they're not part of the Inquisition yet, so you can also avoid disapproval from Blackwall, Vivienne and Iron Bull by simply not recruiting them before CotJ.
Sadly, no. I decided to try to avoid Bull's disapproval by recruiting him after allying with the mages in IHW, but his disapproval points racked up as soon as I recruited him. That was a while ago, though, so it may have been fixed with a patch.
Sadly, no. I decided to try to avoid Bull's disapproval by recruiting him after allying with the mages in IHW, but his disapproval points racked up as soon as I recruited him. That was a while ago, though, so it may have been fixed with a patch.
Hmnmn.. I think it might have been patched. I don't remember Sera jumping on me after I allied with Templars.
Still, as I said, I'm no expert in this matter.
Actually it's strange. It sees like trial of the lovers actually makes slightly disapproves into disapproves. I was talking to varric and the "orsino's fate made no sense" line gave me a disapproves instead of slightly. So it seems like -1's are now -10's?
That's absolutely messed up.
Edit: Cole joining gives you a greatly approves if you complete champions of the just however. Plus IIRC you can take him places before skyhold and get his approval.
My lovers phylactery comes to mind as an easy one.
Edit Edit: It's also worth noting that while the wiki isn't the most reliable of sources it stats that doing CotJ and siding with the templars leaves Cole at -15.
That would imply 1 of 2 things: that he starts at +5 or that his +20 recruitment was taken into effect meaning he -starts- at -15.
I think. My math isn't known to be the best when it comes to the simple stuff.
Modifié par AnUnculturedLittlePotato, 14 septembre 2015 - 04:45 .
Trial of the Fools doesn't require to be always on, I don't see it in achievements description.
As for Trial of the Lovers... I was wondering about it myself. Also wondered which Winter Palace event does it refer to. I expect it to be about Trespasser, but they could word it differently.
Take It Slow does not need to be on for Trial of the Fools, it just makes it much easier to do.
Trial of the Lovers must be enabled before the end of the prologue to get credit. I enabled the trial on the bridge after the opening sequence and got credit. The Winter Palace / Halamshiral the achievement references is from Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts.
Take It Slow does not need to be on for Trial of the Fools, it just makes it much easier to do.
Trial of the Lovers must be enabled before the end of the prologue to get credit. I enabled the trial on the bridge after the opening sequence and got credit. The Winter Palace / Halamshiral the achievement references is from Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts.
Yes, that's what I was refering to (but worded it badly...). To Take It Slow 
Oh, and thanks for info!
Dorian's going to Greatly Disapprove of anything except a mage alliance in IHW, and if if you do that, you're going to incur huge disapproval from Cassandra, Sera, and Vivienne. It's a question of degree. Those who disapprove of recruitment (or in either case from In Hushed Whispers) do so Greatly. Those who disapprove of disbanding the templars are less fanatical about it.
With the trials off, Greatly Disapproves gets you -20 to approval, Disapproves gets you -5, and Slightly Disapproves gets you -1.
My point about choosing to disband the templars is that the only person who GREATLY DISAPPROVES is Dorian, and you can offset a lot of that by choosing "Corypheus must be stopped" when becoming Inquisitor. Cassandra disapproves, but it isn't a "greatly". So it's more a question of scope.
Recruit Disapproval:
Sera: -20 becomes -40
Solas: -20 becomes -40
Dorian: -20 becomes -40 (offset with +20 Greatly Approve when becoming Inquisitor, and a ridiculous amount of approval from his personal quests)
Cole: -20 becomes -40 (he'll leave Skyhold immediately at -30, so this will prevent you from obtaining the achievement)
Disband Disapproval:
Blackwall: -5 becomes -10 (easy to get back with his personal quests)
Cassandra: -5 becomes -10 (do Guilty Pleasures to gain +20)
Vivienne: -1 becomes -2 (Pfft! Not going to worry about that!)
Dorian: -20 becomes -40 (offset with +20 when becoming Inquisitor and do his personal quests)
Iron Bull: -5 becomes -10 (he isn't going to leave over this)
So yeah, this whole thing is going to hinge on Cole. If he leaves, you're never going to get the Trial of the Lovers achievement, so your best bet is to disband the templars.
These two achievements are a nightmare. I hate the double disapproval. I was able to get to Skyhold at level 5 barely and got the Trial of Fools achievement. I only recruited Vivienne pre-Champions of the Just because her recruitment did not require any fighting. I think I'm okay with Halamshiral as long as I can recruit the rest of the companions now except Solas hates me and he was the only one to greatly disapproved when I recruited the Templars(the only disapproval I've had in conversation from him). Hopefully, that does not affect the Trial of Lovers achievement.
Actually I've found that you can ally with the templars just fine. Cole get's +20 on recruitment and you can turn in some quests for a +approves before skyhold.
Of course you get a sera greatly disapproves but I'm not sure she can storm off. I think it's just blackwall and cole that flat out leave.
Also worth noting I seem to be seeing slightly disapproves becoming a normal disapproves. I hope that's not true and that -1 is becoming -10 because that's brutal.
Actually I've found that you can ally with the templars just fine. Cole get's +20 on recruitment and you can turn in some quests for a +approves before skyhold.
Of course you get a sera greatly disapproves but I'm not sure she can storm off. I think it's just blackwall and cole that flat out leave.
Also worth noting I seem to be seeing slightly disapproves becoming a normal disapproves. I hope that's not true and that -1 is becoming -10 because that's brutal.
Since the disapprovals are doubled you are seeing slightly -> normal -> greatly -> not sure but probably bordering on you disgust me inquisitor!
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