...where Solas sealed away the Evanuris? So more of a prison than a city? Maybe the Blight is actually just something he inflicted them with before locking them away, and the magisters breaking in simply released it.
Anyone have any theories on the Golden/Black City now that we know what we know?
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It'd be kind of funny if Solas was responsible for the Blights too, tbh.
Pretty much everything bad to happen in the entire series would be his fault.
I don't know if it holds the Evanuris, but I always speculated that it was a prison for something(s?)
It'd be kind of funny if Solas was responsible for the Blights too, tbh.
Pretty much everything bad to happen in the entire series would be his fault.
Papa Vesemir is wise.
Since we know there are other structures, like the library, that have been broken by the creation of the veil, I've been assuming the golden city was one of these. Probably Arlathan because it was their greatest city and making it so you could see it anywhere in the fade denotes importance to me.
This would explain why it turned from gold to black before the magisters ever got there and why it appeared empty (though I suspect it wasn't).
Cites usually have prisons, who knows who could have escaped during the devastation, they also have workshops, laboratories, hospitals and other locations where something such as the blight could have breached containment.
Plus this would mean that the Golden City never had anything to do with the maker, which I personally find amusing.
Assuming it did turn black before they got there, Corypheus has a tendency to counterdict himself saying there was nothing but corruption and dead whispers then later rant/boasting about how he walked the golden halls and how he saw the empty throne. Its possible though the Magisters unleashed something poking around the city that corrupted it seeking knowlege to make themselves more powerful.
I made a thread on it once. I believe Solas is responsible for the blight because he tried to manipulate the magisters dreams so they would release the Elven God from the Black City and it backfired.
Unlike the Crossroads, which is at the "border" between Earth and the Fade, the City is deep in the Fade and is unchanging (except the going from Golden to Black due to the ancient magisters invading it). There is nothing else like the City, it is still a unique thing.
I don't think anything from Trespasser has given any further hints that pertain to the nature of the Golden/Black City.
Unlike the Crossroads, which is at the "border" between Earth and the Fade, the City is deep in the Fade and is unchanging (except the going from Golden to Black due to the ancient magisters invading it). There is nothing else like the City, it is still a unique thing.
I don't think anything from Trespasser has given any further hints that pertain to the nature of the Golden/Black City.
I think it does. For instance, I now think all of the physical stuff in the fade like the castle bits you walk on were stranded there when the veil formed. I could see this happening to the Golden/Black City too, just in a different way (possibly on purpose).
Well, I believe it's Arlathan and it was blighted thanks to Andruil's trips to the Void back in the day.
I also think that Andruil propably has more to do with the Blight than Solas. Theres been a conversation between him and Blackwall in which he asks him if the death of all Archdemons actually ends the blight. Solas seems to imply that it might not be the end but it's clearly only a guess out of him too, he simply seems curious about it aswell. He doesnt seem to know enough of the taint and how it works otherwise he couldve predicted that Cory can survive that planned explosion after unlocking the Orb.
The theory that Solas created the blight as a kind of safety mechanism/weapon to keep the Evanuris in the Black City would also not explain the calling from the Archdemons. Why do they have control over the darkspawn then?
My wild guess is that the Black City used to be Andruils forge or something where he experimented with the stuff he found in the void (red lyrium?), then he messed up with it and created the blight. In order to prevent it from spreading he put the Black City at an almost unreachable place in the fade. The explanation of why the Old Gods have control over the blight lies in the Void then, but maybe they whispered to the Magisteres cause they wanted them to take the weapon Adruil stored in the Golden City. Thoughts? 
I think it does. For instance, I now think all of the physical stuff in the fade like the castle bits you walk on were stranded there when the veil formed. I could see this happening to the Golden/Black City too, just in a different way (possibly on purpose).
Ya, but that physical stuff was at the "border" between the material and immaterial "realms." Is the City even physical? I don't recall seeing the City when the Inquisitor physically entered the Fade.
If it is physical, then that is quite strange to see material deep within the immaterial and it being unreachable unless you slay thousands of elves, use a nation's stock pile of lyrium, and get the help of 7 other masters of magic that are more knowledgeable than an elf god would give them credit for.
In anycase, we went to the Crossroads before Trespasser and entered the Fade physically before Trespasser. The only new info is that Solas made the Veil, and it was hinted in Inquisition that the Veil was not always around. So, I just don't think Trespasser added anything to the mystery of the City.
However, we don't know if the City was around before the Veil, as it is never said in the Shattered Library, but human history says it was around as far back as their recorded history states, so if Tevinter was on the rise before Solas' rebellion, then the City is older than the Veil... probably...
I can see the Golden/Black City being an Ancient Elvhen creation.
If Solas alone was able to create the veil, just imagine what other Elves could do. Perhaps it was created by one (or group) of the Evanuris.
Afterall, we know that they practiced blood magic and used lyrium from the Titans they killed and the "something else" they took from them.
I made a thread on it once. I believe Solas is responsible for the blight because he tried to manipulate the magisters dreams so they would release the Elven God from the Black City and it backfired.
I recently created a topic where I speculated (and this remains my theory) just the opposite. The Magisters were manipulated in their dreams to seek the "Golden" City, only to release the Blight, but the ones doing the manipulating were the Evanuris themselves, who realized that massive amounts of death weaken the Veil, and were planning to break out of their prison by unleashing the Blight across Thedas and causing enough death to tear the Veil down completely.
Incidentally, I do think that now this may also be Solas' own plan (hence, why he doesn't not expect Thedas to survive the transition), but I doubt it was originally. Based on what he's said, it seems like he didn't regret his decision until he awoke in the Dragon Age and realized all the harm it had caused.
Ya, but that physical stuff was at the "border" between the material and immaterial "realms." Is the City even physical? I don't recall seeing the City when the Inquisitor physically entered the Fade.
I must have missed it, because after looking it up on the wiki (which isn't infallible), it show this:
And it looks like it took a lot of the ground with it, so I would assume it's physical.
Anyway, it says that according to the World of Thedas Vol. 1, the elves believe the Evanuris are trapped in the "Eternal city at the heart of the Beyond"; the Black City. With all the speculation about them being trapped there, how did I miss that that's actually what the Dalish believe anyway?! 
It seems the magisters being promised "the power of the gods" for entering makes more sense now, even if their reward was simply the blight, since Andruil crafted blighted armour.
Man, if this is true, then there's no way I'm gonna let the elusive bastard live in DA 4 (if he ever makes a cameo, that is).
Anyway, it says that according to the World of Thedas Vol. 1, the elves believe the Evanuris are trapped in the "Eternal city at the heart of the Beyond"; the Black City. With all the speculation about them being trapped there, how did I miss that that's actually what the Dalish believe anyway?!
Looking at the picture for DA:I... maybe that could be the City? It's hard to say, it just looks like spires.. like all the other spires around it...
However, that Dalish belief certainly points to the City being the prison, but Solas knows about the darkspawn, but he gave no hint about "Oh, no, one/two/three got out..."
Maybe they are locked deeper into the City, deeper than the magisters went?
Looking at the picture for DA:I... maybe that could be the City? It's hard to say, it just looks like spires.. like all the other spires around it...
However, that Dalish belief certainly points to the City being the prison, but Solas knows about the darkspawn, but he gave no hint about "Oh, no, one/two/three got out..."
Maybe they are locked deeper into the City, deeper than the magisters went?
Yeah, I would think they are somewhere deep within the City, somewhere the magisters didn't have time to get to. I suppose if the veil is destroyed, anyone could go free them, intentionally or not.
If the Golden City held the Evanuris, then they would be free in the world right now, on account of te door the Magisters opened. This is clearly not the case.
As for the city being black, perhaps it was corrupted the moment the Magisters opened the door? After all, they clearly saw the city as golden before then.
Not necessarily. It's a big place. Just because the veil was breached doesn't mean they could get out of the actual prisons within the City.
We still don't have all the information. As far as we know, the Fade is kind of Wibbley Wobbley Fadey-Wadey.
(Don't watch Doctor Who myself, but my sister sure likes the show).
I must have missed it, because after looking it up on the wiki (which isn't infallible), it show this:
And it looks like it took a lot of the ground with it, so I would assume it's physical.
Anyway, it says that according to the World of Thedas Vol. 1, the elves believe the Evanuris are trapped in the "Eternal city at the heart of the Beyond"; the Black City. With all the speculation about them being trapped there, how did I miss that that's actually what the Dalish believe anyway?!
I always assumed the black city was in the top left of this pic: http://puu.sh/kaHvc.png
Yep. Think it's likely even. I think the Blights started because Solas underestimated humanity (like he did with Corypheus and assuming he'd die in the orb's blast) and assumed they'd never be able to physically breach the Veil. They did though. They arrived in the Golden City populated by the cranky Evanuris who, in their boundless pettiness, decided to send a general **** you back to the real world. The results were the Blight.
I'm not sure it was pure pettiness motivating them though, the Blight and how its handled seems to be quite the sticking point for the Egg of Doom. He implies, for instance, that Blights may continue even after the last few archdemons are slain. The implication being that they will eventually be the end of the world. Which means! The Blight could be the Evanuris' way of getting Doom Egg's attention. To stop them he needs to end them. To end them he needs the veil destroyed. I don't know if this would be the side-benefit of restoring his people/salving his ego or vice versa.
I've always wondered if the authors of lore like DA just come up with an outline with zero details and wait til fans fill in the blanks with their theories and then pick from the most interesting theories to fill in the blanks in later games/books.
I've always wondered if the authors of lore like DA just come up with an outline with zero details and wait til fans fill in the blanks with their theories and then pick from the most interesting theories to fill in the blanks in later games/books.
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