Okay, I obviously played the game with my eyes closed...
Some people have mentioned Andruil in this thread. Could someone kindly explain where exactly she appears and what her connection to all this is, please?
Because as far as I'm concerned, Andruil was just the elven goddess of the hunt who crafted that really nifty belt I wore in DAO...
I was under the impression The Black City was no where to be found in the sky when you entered the Fade in DAI. It all looks connected to the landmass you are walking on. The thing that always puzzled me about that section was it's absence, as well as that mysterious Light Source in the "sky" that looks like a Sun hidden by clouds.
Okay, I obviously played the game with my eyes closed...
Some people have mentioned Andruil in this thread. Could someone kindly explain where exactly she appears and what her connection to all this is, please?
Because as far as I'm concerned, Andruil was just the elven goddess of the hunt who crafted that really nifty belt I wore in DAO...
Read this: http://dragonage.wik...ven_God_Andruil
Some have speculated that "and plague ate her lands" refers to the blight. The abyss/void may may even refer to undergound. There may be some connection to the titans and the origins of red lyrium. It's interesting that she crafted armour made from the void. I wonder if what they've done with Samson is some kind of veiled reference.
Then Mythal makes her forget. Which is also part of why some have speculated that Sera is Andruil or has part of Andruil inside her like Flemythal. It's all very complicated and I get lost too.
So basically, Andruil brought the blight back from the Abyss, wherever that is, and they locked it away somewhere inside Arlathan (Golden City). Then the magisters break in and release it because there's no one there to keep an eye on it anymore. It drives them crazy and turns the remains of Arlathan black and starts the blights. Solas is snoozing somewhere and unaware any of this is happening. The Evanuris are probably also locked up in Arlathan somewhere too. They were whispering to the Magisters to get them to come and release them, but it went horribly wrong. I suspect the Old Gods, Dumat and their ilk, were actually The Forgotten Ones defeated by the Evanuris in the orginal battles that led to their ascension to godhood.
That's my take on it anyway. The lore in this game is fantastic for speculating over.
Modifié par tirnoney, 14 septembre 2015 - 11:41 .
Read this: http://dragonage.wik...ven_God_Andruil
Some have speculated that "and plague ate her lands" refers to the blight. The abyss/void may may even refer to undergound. There may be some connection to the titans and the origins of red lyrium. It's interesting that she crafted armour made from the void. I wonder if what they've done with Samson is some kind of veiled reference.
Then Mythal makes her forget. Which is also part of why some have speculated that Sera is Andruil or has part of Andruil inside her like Flemythal. It's all very complicated and I get lost too.
This theory is so freaking ridiculous. I wish people would get over it.
This theory is so freaking ridiculous. I wish people would get over it.
I don't think Sera is Andruil, but I do think the writers deliberately inserted breadcrumbs that led to the plethora of theories. Probably for the lulz. It was either that or astonishingly careless writing of a consistently directional nature which I'm not sure I'd credit Bioware with to be honest. Anyway, I find the theories very entertaining.
I don't think Sera is Andruil, but I do think the writers deliberately inserted breadcrumbs that led to the plethora of theories. Probably for the lulz. It was either that or astonishingly careless writing of a consistently directional nature which I'm not sure I'd credit Bioware with to be honest. Anyway, I find the theories very entertaining.
Oh I have no doubt that Bioware would insert a false trail just to screw with Tin Foil Hat people. Does not change how ridiculous it all is.
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Am I wrong or were we not surrounded by broken parts of the Black City not only in the Fade but during the final Corypheus fight too? Cole even says that it remembered being higher before it fell, and Solas did say that cities floated back then.
I truly believe the Black City was Arlathan and Andruil brought the Blight back from the Void. Solas having to seal the Gods gone mad with power leads me to think they were tainted and by creating the Veil he prevented them from destroying what remained.
I could go as far as to say it's possible the trapped Gods (not really sleeping but hurting and trapped behind a mirror as Cole says) tricked the Magisters into trying to free them, and when they entered the Black City already corrupted as Corypheus stated, they found the place that Solas imprisoned them and as they tried to open it, they released the Blight and it turned them into ghouls. The only thing that makes this theory simply a theory is the Old Gods were dragons and imprisoned in the Deep Roads and the other Gods remain trapped where Solas placed them, so that puzzle piece is still missing. I also found it interesting that if you take Solas with you to face Erimond, he says that killing the Old Gods might cause something worse to happen. I think the Old Gods being the Evanuris seem the most likely, but it's all speculation for the moment.
I could go as far as to say it's possible the trapped Gods (not really sleeping but hurting and trapped behind a mirror as Cole says) tricked the Magisters into trying to free them, and when they entered the Black City already corrupted as Corypheus stated, they found the place that Solas imprisoned them and as they tried to open it, they released the Blight and it turned them into ghouls. The only thing that makes this theory simply a theory is the Old Gods were dragons and imprisoned in the Deep Roads and the other Gods remain trapped where Solas placed them, so that puzzle piece is still missing. I also found it interesting that if you take Solas with you to face Erimond, he says that killing the Old Gods might cause something worse to happen. I think the Old Gods being the Evanuris seem the most likely, but it's all speculation for the moment.
The problem with that theory, is that Solas specifically says to the Inquisitor something along the lines of "...nothing in the lore connects my people's gods to the old gods of Tevinter." He's also quite angry and emphatic about it. He could have been outright lying, but stretching the truth and speaking in allegory is more his usual style. That's why I'm more inclined to believe that the old gods are the forgotten ones.
Maybe the Evanuris just created the taint to give them power to escape the Fade once Solas created the Veil.
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Maybe the Evanuris just created the taint to give them power to escape the Fade once Solas created the Veil.
We do know that Darkspawn existed in the Deep Roads long before the Maker supposedly cast the Magisters out, and it seems Mythal killed a Titan. I wonder if that caused the Darkspawn to awaken and perhaps this Void Andruil found goes far below the Deep Roads so when the Titan died, it split open and brought them out? Just a thought and I have no actual proof to back it up at the moment. Just theorizing.
Well, I believe it's Arlathan and it was blighted thanks to Andruil's trips to the Void back in the day.
Andruil's trips to the void?
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Andruil's trips to the void?
Apparently Andruil went on hunts in the Void (maybe to hunt the Forgotten Ones?) and she can became mad as heck with each trip until Mythal stopped her.
Apparently Andruil went on hunts in the Void (maybe to hunt the Forgotten Ones?) and she can became mad as heck with each trip until Mythal stopped her.
Oh yeah I remember reading that. *shrugs* does seem like the Blight does have something to do with this whole thing.
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Oh yeah I remember reading that. *shrugs* does seem like the Blight does have something to do with this whole thing.
My theory is she brought back the taint and that's why the other Gods went mad and killed Mythal. If the Black City is Arlathan, then it was engulfed in the taint and Solas' Veil is keeping it from covering all of Thedas. Thanks to the Magisters coming to seek its power, they unleashed some of it onto themselves (like Andruil did with Arlathan), but Darkspawn apparently existed before that, so something is not connecting. It most likely involves what and where the Void is I'm guessing.
My theory is she brought back the taint and that's why the other Gods went mad and killed Mythal. If the Black City is Arlathan, then it was engulfed in the taint and Solas' Veil is keeping it from covering all of Thedas. Thanks to the Magisters coming to seek its power, they unleashed some of it onto themselves (like Andruil did with Arlathan), but Darkspawn apparently existed before that, so something is not connecting. It most likely involves what and where the Void is I'm guessing.
Well if Solas did make the veil its likely some of it got trapped here on the wrong side. Either way you look at the Blight. Any way you look at the Blight. Just consider a small bit of it, blight, was left in the Deep Roads as in the form of Red Lyrium. The magisters breaching the fade was the whole camel.
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Well if Solas did make the veil its likely some of it got trapped here on the wrong side. Either way you look at the Blight. Any way you look at the Blight. Just consider a small bit of it, blight, was left in the Deep Roads as in the form of Red Lyrium. The magisters breaching the fade was the whole camel.
I think so too, and it seems Mythal killed a Titan, so I assume that must connect too in a way. Also Solas tells Erimond that killing Old Gods before they become Archdemons could make things worse. I wonder if he knows the Void is near there? And if he does tear down the Veil, the Blight will cover Thedas most likely. He basically tells Blackwall the GW are just preventing the inevitable.
The Maker, Andraste, Magisters and Arlathan all put aside, I think they real evil is this Void and Solas saw something truly evil emerge that he refuses to speak of it seems.
That's more or less been my theory for a while now. I think the 'Black City' is where Fen'Harel imprisoned the Evanuris. Furthermore, we know that the ancient Elves' capital city, Arlathan, supposedly 'sank' or otherwise disappeared.
Makes perfect sense to me then that the 'Black City' we see in the fade is Arlathan, with the Evanuris still trapped inside.
Guest_Raynah_*
That's more or less been my theory for a while now. I think the 'Black City' is where Fen'Harel imprisoned the Evanuris. Furthermore, we know that the ancient Elves' capital city, Arlathan, supposedly 'sank' or otherwise disappeared.
Makes perfect sense to me then that the 'Black City' we see in the fade is Arlathan, with the Evanuris still trapped inside.
The question is, how do the Old Gods/Archdemons fit into this? Solas said killing them would make things worse, and he doesn't like the GW digging around where they shouldn't. My theory was the Evanuris are the the OG but maybe they are/were bounded to them instead. Like how we can control a dragon if we drink from the Well.
My speculation remains pretty much the same. The creation of the veil brought havoc to the elven cities that were just as much magical in nature as they were physical. The black city is most likely the remains of Arlathan, the ancient elves capital and central to their entire society. Where did most of the Evanuris likely live/rule? Where would they go for a gathering of heads of State, even if they didn't live in the city proper? Most likely it was the center of the ritual/spell that created the veil. We know the Black City is equi-distant to all points in the fade.
So yes, its very possible that it is the prison where they are held, or they could simple be trapped beyond some eluvian whose access is in those remains.
It might even turn out to be more complex than that. If these powerful elven mages were as much magic as they were physical what would the veil have done to them? Perhaps their bodies (which are often in dragon form according to the writings in the Temple of Mythal) were sundered from their magical spirit form. In a sense creating the Old Gods when the veil came down, while the spirit forms are trapped behind the veil.
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Perhaps their bodies (which are often in dragon form according to the writings in the Temple of Mythal) were sundered from their magical spirit form. In a sense creating the Old Gods when the veil came down, while the spirit forms are trapped behind the veil.
Solas implied neither are connected but either it's his denial of what he did or he is unaware that there is a connection and is too prideful to consider it. I am reminded of Asgard when it fell.
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99% chance black city is Arlathan but I like your theory better
I'm a huge elven Fan, BUT: I'm a bit tired of all this elven stuff in Dragon Age. All ruins are elfish, all magic is elfish, "The mystic past" was somehow elfish, all this elfish elves around moaning how baadddd life is and how evil the humans ... and so on. I can't hear it anymore.
Please: The Golden City, Andraste and all this religion stuff shall not be elfish, too. It's really enough until now.
First time that I'm happy with the dwarves ....
I doubt the Old Gods have anything to do with the Evanuris, or at least the sealed Ones, since Solas doesn't seem to wish to disturb the Old Gods but wishes eternities of suffering on the Evanuris for killing Mythal.The question is, how do the Old Gods/Archdemons fit into this? Solas said killing them would make things worse, and he doesn't like the GW digging around where they shouldn't. My theory was the Evanuris are the the OG but maybe they are/were bounded to them instead. Like how we can control a dragon if we drink from the Well.
Guest_Raynah_*
I doubt the Old Gods have anything to do with the Evanuris, or at least the sealed Ones, since Solas doesn't seem to wish to disturb the Old Gods but wishes eternities of suffering on the Evanuris for killing Mythal.
My current theory on the Old Gods is that they are dragons intentionally sealed in the Earth by Mythal, each of which carries a whisp of her soul. As for why they were sealed away...I don't want to go into that theory until I've had time to piece together some evidence. >.>
I like that idea! We saw her do something to the OG soul before Solas arrived too.
Solas also said killing the OG could result in something far worse happening, so he fears something.
Solas also implied Mythal might have been more than what the other Gods were, and I'm wondering if all pieced together we might unleash something horrifyingly powerful and beyond comprehension. Like the Horcrux in HP.
My current theory on the Old Gods is that they are dragons intentionally sealed in the Earth by Mythal, each of which carries a whisp of her soul. As for why they were sealed away...I don't want to go into that theory until I've had time to piece together some evidence. >.>
So then now that she's a dragon, Morrigan is an "old god"?
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