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[Daerog]

We do know that Darkspawn existed in the Deep Roads long before the Maker supposedly cast the Magisters out, and it seems Mythal killed a Titan. I wonder if that caused the Darkspawn to awaken and perhaps this Void Andruil found goes far below the Deep Roads so when the Titan died, it split open and brought them out? Just a thought and I have no actual proof to back it up at the moment. Just theorizing.

 

We don't know that they were darkspawn. They could have just been ghouls, which are not darkspawn. The blight has existed for a long time, yes, and there were likely ghouls due to the existence of the blight, but that doesn't mean there were darkspawn.

[Ranadiel Marius]

So then now that she's a dragon, Morrigan is an "old god"?

No because she is a human and doesn't have a whisp of Mythal's soul. If my theory were to be right, the Old Gods are actual dragons (forgot the term for the highest type) and not elves polymorphed into them. Also pretty sure she would need to be worshipped by ancient TI before she could be can be an Old God.

[Lazarillo]

No because she is a human and doesn't have a whisp of Mythal's soul. If my theory were to be right, the Old Gods are actual dragons (forgot the term for the highest type) and not elves polymorphed into them. Also pretty sure she would need to be worshipped by ancient TI before she could be can be an Old God.

 

More the implication seems to be, perhaps, that the "old gods" are previous avatars (for lack of a better term) of Mythal, just like Morrigan is now, locked into a dragonlike form.  That might actually explain why they have different sexes despite all natural high dragons being female.

[BansheeOwnage]

I always assumed the black city was in the top left of this pic: http://puu.sh/kaHvc.png

Yeah, that's the same structure that the wiki shows.

 

I was under the impression The Black City was no where to be found in the sky when you entered the Fade in DAI. It all looks connected to the landmass you are walking on. The thing that always puzzled me about that section was it's absence, as well as that mysterious Light Source in the "sky" that looks like a Sun hidden by clouds.

That always puzzled me too. It's in the Crossroads as well, though that's less odd. I also noticed the sky pulsating with green energy in the Crossroads, almost like it's spherical. But yes, the "sun" is very strange. The other thing I was puzzled by was the Breach (or at least something that looks identical) still being as active as ever when you're there. And it's not the one at Adamant either, because it's still there when you meet Flemeth. Any ideas?

[Mr.House]

The black City is in that part of the fade, Solas confirms it by saying "The black City is so close you can touch it."

[Aulis Vaara]

We do know that Darkspawn existed in the Deep Roads long before the Maker supposedly cast the Magisters out,

We do? That's news to me.

[BansheeOwnage]

More the implication seems to be, perhaps, that the "old gods" are previous avatars (for lack of a better term) of Mythal, just like Morrigan is now, locked into a dragonlike form.  That might actually explain why they have different sexes despite all natural high dragons being female.

Do they actually have different physical sexes though? Or just gender based on either how the Tevinters viewed them or the souls inside them? Like Hakkon possessing a high dragon. Hakkon personifies a male, but the dragon is physically female. If a male shapeshifted into a dragon, would the dragon be female on the account of all male dragons not ever growing to the size of a female, or would he create a new kind of unnatural dragon form?

[Daerog]

I thought I read somewhere that dwarves said the Darkspawn have been around before the Maker, but like GW call OG Archdemon's even when their not, perhaps "Darkspawn" is the only word they know for it, but they were something else before that? We also know that talking The Scaled Ones who dressed like Tevinter Magisters performed blood rituals in the Deep Roads too.

 

The dwarves say the darkspawn came from beneath, and that discredits the whole ancient magister being cast out of the heavens that the Chantry preaches. The dwarves believe that in general, although Cory seems to prove their dismissal of the Chantry's tale to be wrong, but darkspawn did appear deep in the Earth before reaching the surface. Dwarves had no idea what the darkspawn were until they were being overwhelmed by them.

 

Darkspawn are beings born of the blight and wholly of the blight, they are not infected things like broodmothers, Archdemons, or Grey Wardens, which are all ghouls in some form. Supposedly, the Ancient Magisters (like Cory), were so transformed by whatever happened to them, that they became of the blight, completely, they are not infected humans, they are the first darkspawn. This is how Cory can body jump, he rematerializes using the blight and tears himself out of the victim, no soul clashing occurs.

 

The Scaled Ones sound pretty cool, and they battled the dwarves sometime between the rise of Tevinter and the Fall of Arlathan, so they have no connection to the darkspawn, but they may have a connection with reavers and possibly elves, since they were apparently in shock of one of their own being killed. They do blood rituals, and darkspawn don't. Darkspawn use blight magic, as highlighted in The Calling novel.

 

Nonetheless, different sources do hint to the blight being far older than the Second Sin.

[TheRevanchist]

Yeah, that's the same structure that the wiki shows.

 

That always puzzled me too. It's in the Crossroads as well, though that's less odd. I also noticed the sky pulsating with green energy in the Crossroads, almost like it's spherical. But yes, the "sun" is very strange. The other thing I was puzzled by was the Breach (or at least something that looks identical) still being as active as ever when you're there. And it's not the one at Adamant either, because it's still there when you meet Flemeth. Any ideas?

 

I remember I think from legacy Cory mentioned when they Scryed into the Fade they could see the Golden City, it's radiant Light blasting through the void of the Fade or something like that....So perhaps what he saw was this strange Light source, instead of the Black City. I wonder if looking through the game files would show us the file name of that Light Source. I wonder if Bioware would be that careless....

[indorio]

Before trespasser I thought there might be some connection between the old gods/dragons and the evunaris (we know Solas lies by omission so that there is no mentioning in any lore about the connection might just be that). Since trespasser I've been playing with the idea that the old gods really is some sort of key. We know that the key to an eluvian can be pretty much anything (enough power, a word etc). So I'm thinking something was locked away. This thing or whatever it/they are tricked the magisters to enter the black city to be able to unleash the blight. The darkspawn are drawn to the old gods and turn it into archdemon, freeing it. My theory is that when all the great dragons are killed whatever is trapped is freed. The reason I've been playing with this idea is this fresco from trespasser:

What does this picture trying to tell and what the h*ll is in the middle with all the eyes? As you can see there are seven things around the circular area (trapped dragons?). I'm thinking whatever those eyes are, are locked up. Maybe in the black city? And this might be why Solas is terrified of the idea of killing all the dragons. Just some things i've been theorizing about...

[thruaglassdarkly]

Plus this would mean that the Golden City never had anything to do with the maker, which I personally find amusing.

 

They've sort of been hinting at this (but never revealing it) for a while now.  I think its a question they are going to kind of keep in the air but never answer, because that tends to be their MO with Thedas' dominant religion.

[AppalachianAxis]

The question is, how do the Old Gods/Archdemons fit into this? Solas said killing them would make things worse, and he doesn't like the GW digging around where they shouldn't. My theory was the Evanuris are the the OG but maybe they are/were bounded to them instead. Like how we can control a dragon if we drink from the Well.

 

I think it's the other way round.

 

You see, Trespasser makes it pretty clear that the Evanuris were... not very nice. I think they banished the 'forgotten ones' because they were either rivals or because they otherwise presented a threat to their rule.

What I'm getting at is that while Dalish legend paints the 'forgotten ones' as evil, is may very likely be propoganda started by the Evanuris.

 

So, I do believe the Evanuris are locked away in the Black City/Arlathan while I still think the 'Forgotten Ones' are the Old Gods, locked away in 'The Abyss.' This would explain why Solas is so violently opposed to the Grey Warden's efforts to slay them, given what we learn about Solas/Fen'Harel in Trespasser, it's not out of the question that the 'Forgotten Ones' were allies of Solas, at least in so far as they opposed or threatened the Evanuris.

[jedidotflow]

The problem with that theory, is that Solas specifically says to the Inquisitor something along the lines of "...nothing in the lore connects my people's gods to the old gods of Tevinter."  He's also quite angry and emphatic about it.  He could have been outright lying, but stretching the truth and speaking in allegory is more his usual style.  That's why I'm more inclined to believe that the old gods are the forgotten ones.

 

He talks specifically of the Old God Dragons: "Nothing in any lore connects my people to the old god dragons who became archdemons".

Also, he's not angry nor empathic; he just casually adds it as a fact.

[jedidotflow]

Andruil's trips to the void?

 

Yup. There's also this: http://dragonage.wik..._The_Empty_Ones

[jedidotflow]

More the implication seems to be, perhaps, that the "old gods" are previous avatars (for lack of a better term) of Mythal, just like Morrigan is now, locked into a dragonlike form.  That might actually explain why they have different sexes despite all natural high dragons being female.

 

After What Pride Had Wrought, I thought that the OGs were former servants to the Evanuris, granted the boon to become Dragons. And given the Codex entry on the elf that was left to face Elgar'nan's wrath for daring to take the shape of the gods... Yeah.

[jedidotflow]

Before trespasser I thought there might be some connection between the old gods/dragons and the evunaris (we know Solas lies by omission so that there is no mentioning in any lore about the connection might just be that). Since trespasser I've been playing with the idea that the old gods really is some sort of key. We know that the key to an eluvian can be pretty much anything (enough power, a word etc). So I'm thinking something was locked away. This thing or whatever it/they are tricked the magisters to enter the black city to be able to unleash the blight. The darkspawn are drawn to the old gods and turn it into archdemon, freeing it. My theory is that when all the great dragons are killed whatever is trapped is freed. The reason I've been playing with this idea is this fresco from trespasser:

What does this picture trying to tell and what the h*ll is in the middle with all the eyes? As you can see there are seven things around the circular area (trapped dragons?). I'm thinking whatever those eyes are, are locked up. Maybe in the black city? And this might be why Solas is terrified of the idea of killing all the dragons. Just some things i've been theorizing about...

 

That giant eye is related to this: http://dragonage.wik...t_Elven_Writing

[In Exile]

Since we know there are other structures, like the library, that have been broken by the creation of the veil, I've been assuming the golden city was one of these. Probably Arlathan because it was their greatest city and making it so you could see it anywhere in the fade denotes importance to me.

This would explain why it turned from gold to black before the magisters ever got there and why it appeared empty (though I suspect it wasn't).

Cites usually have prisons, who knows who could have escaped during the devastation, they also have workshops, laboratories, hospitals and other locations where something such as the blight could have breached containment.

Plus this would mean that the Golden City never had anything to do with the maker, which I personally find amusing.

Ever since DAI was released I have been pushing the theory that (1) the ancient elves built extradimensional cities like the Crossroads; (2) that these extradimensional cities were basically floating hunks of rock, except well shorn, well maintained and beautiful; (3) that creating the Veil b0rked everything; (4) that the "Fade" is just a extradimensional space like the Crossroads where Solas stuff everything spirit related (I was always adamant Solas created the Veil based on what he said at the start of DAI in Have ("Imagine the Fade was not a place you went but ...").

[In Exile]

We don't know that they were darkspawn. They could have just been ghouls, which are not darkspawn. The blight has existed for a long time, yes, and there were likely ghouls due to the existence of the blight, but that doesn't mean there were darkspawn.

The answer is obvious. Lyrium is the blood of a Titan. Titans have what seems be an immune system - an immune system which the Trespasser and Descent lore suggests wasn't always sapient. RED Lyrium is "blighted" lyrium - so it's tainted Titan's blood. The Evanuris warred with the Titans.

Tainted lyrium - red lyrium - mutated humans. What if tainted lyrium also mutated the immune system of the Titan - what if THAT was the original darkspawn? Then it explains why they originated in the deep roads.

[kukumburr]

I think it's the other way round.

 

You see, Trespasser makes it pretty clear that the Evanuris were... not very nice. I think they banished the 'forgotten ones' because they were either rivals or because they otherwise presented a threat to their rule.

What I'm getting at is that while Dalish legend paints the 'forgotten ones' as evil, is may very likely be propoganda started by the Evanuris.

 

So, I do believe the Evanuris are locked away in the Black City/Arlathan while I still think the 'Forgotten Ones' are the Old Gods, locked away in 'The Abyss.' This would explain why Solas is so violently opposed to the Grey Warden's efforts to slay them, given what we learn about Solas/Fen'Harel in Trespasser, it's not out of the question that the 'Forgotten Ones' were allies of Solas, at least in so far as they opposed or threatened the Evanuris.

 

I sort of think this way too, however I'm not sure the Forgotten Ones were particularly "good", either. The Geldauran's Claim codex makes it clear they oppose the Evanuris, but he still sounds pretty power hungry to me. There's also the story of Andruil and Anaris fighting over who gets to kill Fen'Harel, so I'm not sure Fen'Harel was on super good terms with them. Although there might not be much truth to that story. There's also the legend that Fen'Harel locked the Evanuris in the heavens and the Forgotten Ones in the abyss, so he was probably trying to stop them too. 

 

I do think the Forgotten Ones might be somewhat responsible for the Blight, though. They may have developed it as a weapon to use against the Evanuris, infecting the lyrium they claimed from the Titans or something. But then maybe it backfired and got out of control, or maybe the Evanuris were even more out of control if they got blighted. Then maybe when Fen'Harel made the Veil, he locked the Evanuris away in the Golden/Black city and the Forgotten Ones in the dragons. Maybe the whole Veil thing was even a bit of a quarantine measure. And then whatever happened when the magisters broke into the Golden City, it allowed the tainted Evanuris to gain some control over the darkspawn, and uses them to hunt down the Old Gods/Forgotten Ones so it can taint them, gain control of them, and drive them mad as some sort of vengeance. 

 

If Solas was allied with the Forgotten Ones, then yeah it would explain why he doesn't like Grey Wardens killing Old Gods. And would explain why Mythal wants to save them. But then again Solas didn't seem super interested in the Blight, other than to criticize the Grey Wardens. So maybe there's not that much of a connection. 

[Bigdoser]

I wonder if the old gods were allies/friends with Mythal and Solas hence why solas was not so keen on the grey wardens killing the old gods since I recall he said that won't stop blights or something like that. Perhaps the blight is their corrupted will or in other words the "song" of the trapped elven "gods".