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[BillyBanana]

You can find the same fresco in Solas' tower in Skyhold along with some others.

I also suspect this many eyed thing to be the evil inside the void that is kept down there by either the OGs or the Titans or maybe both. I guess that's the reason why the Evanuris stopped to kill giants and sealed the deep roads and thats what Adruil had concact with in the Void. Maybe the Black City is the counterpart of that void in the fade and thats why it contains the blight aswell and the reason why it is so hard to reach in the fade is cause the void is similarily hard to reach since it's protected by the OGs and/or Titans.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Before trespasser I thought there might be some connection between the old gods/dragons and the evunaris (we know Solas lies by omission so that there is no mentioning in any lore about the connection might just be that). Since trespasser I've been playing with the idea that the old gods really is some sort of key. We know that the key to an eluvian can be pretty much anything (enough power, a word etc). So I'm thinking something was locked away. This thing or whatever it/they are tricked the magisters to enter the black city to be able to unleash the blight. The darkspawn are drawn to the old gods and turn it into archdemon, freeing it. My theory is that when all the great dragons are killed whatever is trapped is freed. The reason I've been playing with this idea is this fresco from trespasser:

What does this picture trying to tell and what the h*ll is in the middle with all the eyes? As you can see there are seven things around the circular area (trapped dragons?). I'm thinking whatever those eyes are, are locked up. Maybe in the black city? And this might be why Solas is terrified of the idea of killing all the dragons. Just some things i've been theorizing about...

If that image is related to the Old Gods...and the numbers do match up, this could have some very terrifying implications. I think it is drawn upside down from how we would normally think of it, as I think in this interpretation, the circle surrounding he red eyed creature is essentially the lowest levels of the Deep Roads, the seven circles would then be in the upper levels where the seven "Old Gods" are in place as a seal on whatever this red eyed creature is. The Darkspawn would thus be seeking out the Old Gods to break the seal. However there is an aspect of this image which terrifies me more than any other aspect...look closely at the largest red circle on the red eyed creature. Notice anything about it?...it has a sun symbol in it. *shudders at possible implications*

[BansheeOwnage]

Before trespasser I thought there might be some connection between the old gods/dragons and the evunaris (we know Solas lies by omission so that there is no mentioning in any lore about the connection might just be that). Since trespasser I've been playing with the idea that the old gods really is some sort of key. We know that the key to an eluvian can be pretty much anything (enough power, a word etc). So I'm thinking something was locked away. This thing or whatever it/they are tricked the magisters to enter the black city to be able to unleash the blight. The darkspawn are drawn to the old gods and turn it into archdemon, freeing it. My theory is that when all the great dragons are killed whatever is trapped is freed. The reason I've been playing with this idea is this fresco from trespasser:

What does this picture trying to tell and what the h*ll is in the middle with all the eyes? As you can see there are seven things around the circular area (trapped dragons?). I'm thinking whatever those eyes are, are locked up. Maybe in the black city? And this might be why Solas is terrified of the idea of killing all the dragons. Just some things i've been theorizing about...

That giant eye is related to this: http://dragonage.wik...t_Elven_Writing

And also Solas' fresco. Though now I have no idea what it is, because at first I though it was simply demons pouring out of the Breach (the cover of DA:I looks very similar). There is even a black city with spires in the centre. If the triangles in the fresco are demons descending from the fade, it would make sense that they're simply suspended in the fade part of the mural as well.

 

All of that rambling aside, what if that mass is simply Elgar'nan himself? The mass has the sun inside it, which Elgar'nan was depicted as (as well as the eyes blazing), and if the last thing the codex says before describing the mass is that Elgar'nan will judge the offender. Either way, it's scary and I want to meet it

 

Edit: Nevermind, Elgar'nan defeated "the sun", he wasn't depicted as it. That actually makes a lot more sense here. The codex also states that the Dalish believe that Elgar'nan buried the sun in the abyss!

[BansheeOwnage]

However there is an aspect of this image which terrifies me more than any other aspect...look closely at the largest red circle on the red eyed creature. Notice anything about it?...it has a sun symbol in it. *shudders at possible implications*

Ooooh, that's hilarious! The Sunburst! That thing could be what is misinterpreted as the Maker! Glorious.

[Ranadiel Marius]

The Sun being defeated by Elgar'nan or the Maker?

Either or both. I mean I can think of at least four possible ways to interpret the scene there if we focus on the sun. Best case scenario (for everyone on Thedas) would be that this is simply a Titan that happened to be associated with the Sun for some unknown reason, possibly it was a fire titan or something (we know next to nothing about Titans, so that could be a thing *shrug*). The next possibility is that it is the Maker, not likely but it is a possible interpretation that the Maker was sealed away in the void. However another possible interpretation would be that there is some unknown fourth godly type being (fifth? I guess it depends on if you count the Forgotten Ones) that was sealed in the earth. Worst case scenario could be that the world of Thedas was actually created (through the use of Titan "corpses") to seal away this unknown creature, meaning that the entirety of the known world is built upon a prison for an eldridge horror that absolutely no one is prepared to face or even knows the name, and potentially 5/7ths of its seal is shattered now.

[BansheeOwnage]

Those eyes are still like a Pride Demon and we've been discussing how Solas might have been a spirit of Wisdom corrupted and Mythal made him flesh. Cole pretty much implies it in Trespasser. 

The eyes themselves are reminiscent of a pride demon - on the mural, at any rate - but I think the description means they are something else. A "shifting, shadowing mass" sounds less like a static creature like a pride demon and more like this:

 

And of course the blazing eyes part, and the implication that it may be more than one creature. I don't think Solas is much like a pride demon except for him having an issue with pride. What does Cole say, exactly?

[Aulis Vaara]

What is this about Solas not liking the destruction of the Old Gods? All I remember him saying is that the Blight is not something one smugly outsmarts and it's painfully obvious he says that because of Corypheus.

[Aulis Vaara]

He nearly freaks out when Erimond says he wants to hunt down and kill the remaining OG. He says something worse could happen and does not like the Grey Warden's killing them. Some have said they might be unlocking sometime horrible with each OG's death. If you take Solas to the OG prison location in the Western Approach he also comments that people are doing things they shouldn't or something like that.

Actual quotes, please?

[indorio]

There is absolutely (or atleast I think so) a relation between the deeproads and the black city. The magisters entered the black city and was thrown down to the deep roads. I'm thinking the relationship between the fade and the physical world are something like a harddrive with both a logical and physical space that is connected.

I can see that eye thing being the forgotten ones or one of them. They are said to be creatures of pestilence etc which makes them seem like spirits/demons. Both the evanuris and the forgotten ones saw Solas as one of their own. So I can absolutely see Solas as someone who was a spirit and who took physical form (on Mythals urging which would fit the statements above). And that they saw him as one of their own doesn't have to mean he was included in the evanuris or forgotten ones but that they saw him as kin (which support the statement of Solas nature). And because of the forgotten ones nature as spirits/demons they are depicted as pride demons or something similar in the frescos.

It could also be that the shadowy mass from the temple of Mythal codex is someone more specific like the Formless One (Forbidden ones being a branch of the forgotten ones?)which we are yet to encounter. And that the formless one is depicted in the fresco. What goes against this reasoning is for example that the forbidden ones have been shown to be quite weak so far and actually been quite easily (?) summoned. They have started to include more codexes featuring Geldauran so that could also be a thread.

It could also be something else entirely which hasn't been introduced properly yet. Something that the evnuris and/or forgotten ones in their lust for power encountered in the void and unleashed/were unleashing. This would be supported by the new codexes about trying to shut the deeproads which has been brought up in the thread. I also wouldn't be surprised if the bioware writers introduced this more overarching threat connected to the blight (something worse than the evanuris/forgotten ones waring). Something that was awoken/initiated in the ancient times of the elves/spirits and which will be concluded in the last game. The mega big bad.

[Illegitimus]

There's a simple, practical reason why killing the last old god is something Solas doesn't welcome.  Without the song to draw the darkspawn back underground, they'll never leave.  

[BillyBanana]

Does a pride demon have a spirit counterpart that it used to be before? Since the kodex on pride demons says that it can threaten the entire world, should one ever enter the physical world, the spirit must be very powerfull in a way too. Maybe it could even cause things like a blight if such a spirit has been pushed against it's nature and turned into a pride demon. Judging from the illustration of these things in the fresco above and the one in Solas' tower in Skyhold, they could represent the sun that Elgar'nan was fighting and that was denied to the Dwarves by Mythal aswell I think?

[BansheeOwnage]

Does a pride demon have a spirit counterpart that it used to be before? Since the kodex on pride demons says that it can threaten the entire world, should one ever enter the physical world, the spirit must be very powerfull in a way too. Maybe it could even cause things like a blight if such a spirit has been pushed against it's nature and turned into a pride demon. Judging from the illustration of these things in the fresco above and the one in Solas' tower in Skyhold, they could represent the sun that Elgar'nan was fighting and that was denied to the Dwarves by Mythal aswell I think?

Pride demons come from spirits of wisdom. Interesting point about the "sun" that was denied to the dwarves. I'm not sure what it means though.

[myahele]

Those 7 things surrounding it kinda look like keyholes, almost

 

[BansheeOwnage]

Those 7 things surrounding it kinda look like keyholes, almost

 

Almost, yeah. They also all have rays of light (from that "sun"?) in the large chambers, but the small ones are completely black. So that would make sense if those are the prisons.

[myahele]

I also like to point out that in WoT2 Dwarves discovered an Old God's prison. It says that there is terrible magic that still echoes.

 

This pretty much means that the Old Gods truly were sealed -physically- and by powerful magic at that. 

[dennyjj88]

Before trespasser I thought there might be some connection between the old gods/dragons and the evunaris (we know Solas lies by omission so that there is no mentioning in any lore about the connection might just be that). Since trespasser I've been playing with the idea that the old gods really is some sort of key. We know that the key to an eluvian can be pretty much anything (enough power, a word etc). So I'm thinking something was locked away. This thing or whatever it/they are tricked the magisters to enter the black city to be able to unleash the blight. The darkspawn are drawn to the old gods and turn it into archdemon, freeing it. My theory is that when all the great dragons are killed whatever is trapped is freed. The reason I've been playing with this idea is this fresco from trespasser:

What does this picture trying to tell and what the h*ll is in the middle with all the eyes? As you can see there are seven things around the circular area (trapped dragons?). I'm thinking whatever those eyes are, are locked up. Maybe in the black city? And this might be why Solas is terrified of the idea of killing all the dragons. Just some things i've been theorizing about...

[dennyjj88]

In another thread there is a reference to the elvhen gods delving too deep in their search of lyrium and their greed possibly unleashing something. It would seem by the key references as well that their is some ancient evil, possibly even an ancient corruption demon that we aren't even aware or yet. Also tin foil hat moment, I've seen reference to elgar'nan defeating the sun and casting it to the void. What if "sun" was misinterpreted instead of "son" meaning he cast his son to the void creating a dark price of sorts? Tin hat off lol

[dennyjj88]

In another thread there is a reference to the elvhen gods delving too deep in their search of lyrium and their greed possibly unleashing something. It would seem by the key references as well that their is some ancient evil, possibly even an ancient corruption demon that we aren't even aware or yet. Also tin foil hat moment, I've seen reference to elgar'nan defeating the sun and casting it to the void. What if "sun" was misinterpreted instead of "son" meaning he cast his son to the void creating a dark prince of sorts? Tin hat off lol