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[actionhero112]

It occurs to me that even though you have the option to kill Alexius, he largely didn't do anything that requires that strict of a penalty. 

 

He didn't actually bring about the future you see because you prevented it, and you already technically killed that timeline's Alexius as punishment. Killing the current Alexius is like double jeopardy. 

 

What actually happened is that fiona did a dumb thing and allied with tevinter, Alexius invited you to his castle, you killed his guards, and then you touched his amulet. Then he surrendered to you. 

 

Basically you're punishing him for the possibility of something happening in the future. Which is bullcrap. How would that hold up in a court of law? 

 

It's the haircut isn't it? We can kill him because of the haircut. 

[Mr.House]

That's why I make him work under the mages.

[ComedicSociopathy]

His Venatori murdered Tranquil and used their skulls as magical spyglasses. 

 

Having his head chopped off was to kind. 

[Arakat]

His knowledge about time magic being too dangerous? That's the only thing I can think of.

[Mr.House]

His Venatori murdered Tranquil and used their skulls as magical spyglasses. 

 

Having his head chopped off was to kind. 

Shhhh, he totes innocent!

[Indigenous]

That's why I make him work under the mages.

You made him work under mages because it is the special option.

 

Always choose the special option.

[NoForgiveness]

This wasn't a dream. Those people actually suffered and died. The world ended because he cast that portal. And in both realities he made the choice to cast it.

[actionhero112]

This wasn't a dream. Those people actually suffered and died. The world ended because he cast that portal. And in both realities he made the choice to cast it.

 

You actually interfered with what he was doing by touching the amulet, thus the random explosion. Who knows what he was actually going to do, perhaps he was going to send himself into the past again. 

 

No one actually suffered and died because the timeline never came to pass. You can't sentence someone to death because of a possibility. 

[Mr.House]

You actually interfered with what he was doing by touching the amulet, thus the random explosion. Who knows what he was actually going to do, perhaps he was going to send himself into the past again. 

 

No one actually suffered and died because the timeline never came to pass. You can't sentence someone to death because of a possibility. 

False. Dorian confirms he was trying to rip the inquisitor out of the time axis and failed because Dorian interfered, causing them to jump in time a year later, your companions, Fiona, Leli and the world where torn apart in that year and when you arrive you see the damage. This would have stayed had you failed.

[actionhero112]

False. Dorian confirms he was trying to rip the inquisitor out of the time axis and failed because Dorian interfered, causing them to jump in time a year later, your companions, Fiona, Leli and the world where torn apart in that year and when you arrive you see the damage. This would have stayed had you failed.

Hm. Then at best it's kidnapping. Still not death penalty deserving. 

[Mr.House]

He destroyed the world that was only saved because of Dorian intervening.

[Drasanil]

Nothing. The only reason I ever consider doing in Hushed Whispers is to recruit Alexius. What I want to know is why we can't put Fiona on trial, she did just as much if not more damage than he did. 

[Mr.House]

Nothing. The only reason I ever consider doing in Hushed Whispers is to recruit Alexius. What I want to know is why we can't put Fiona on trial, she did just as much if not more damage than he did. 

It's already impressive Gaider let us kill his pet, being able to judge her was too much to ask for.

[Drasanil]

It's already impressive Gaider let us kill his pet, being able to judge her was too much to ask for.

 

Which is why I only have one Hushed Whispers playthrough and do Champions of the Just every time. It's the only way to hold Fiona to account. 

[Aimi]

Hm. Then at best it's kidnapping. Still not death penalty deserving.

Again: he and his Venatori murdered the Tranquil at Redcliffe and used their skulls for sick magical shard experiments. You find proof of this in one of the town's shacks, although for whatever reason it's not possible to bring it up when sentencing him.

But even if he hadn't done that, he did mount a coup against the lawful ruler of Redcliffe. Even if it was a bloodless coup in that Teagan and his Redcliffe retainers weren't harmed (or were they? we don't actually know), treason in premodern European history was generally a death-penalty offense. Attitudes toward that sort of usurpation didn't soften in Western society until the Enlightenment.

Sadly, we don't have specific information on many aspects of legal punishment in southern Thedas in the Dragon Age, but by comparison with its European analogue - and by dint of the fact that the option is there for the Inquisitor if she so chooses - I would suggest that it's perfectly legal to have Alexius executed for what he did at Redcliffe.

[TeaLulu]

Aiding and abetting the enemy, an enemy whose plans for Southern Thedas were horrendous at best.

 

That may not be worth his death, and I don't choose that fate for him, but its understandable why some would. He claims he was just trying to save Felix or whatever, but can you really trust him? Killing him sets an example and insures he won't ever be able to help the enemy again.

[Drasanil]

Again: he and his Venatori murdered the Tranquil at Redcliffe and used their skulls for sick magical shard experiments. You find proof of this in one of the town's shacks, although for whatever reason it's not possible to bring it up when sentencing him.

But even if he hadn't done that, he did mount a coup against the lawful ruler of Redcliffe. Even if it was a bloodless coup in that Teagan and his Redcliffe retainers weren't harmed (or were they? we don't actually know), treason in premodern European history was generally a death-penalty offense. Attitudes toward that sort of usurpation didn't soften in Western society until the Enlightenment.

Sadly, we don't have specific information on many aspects of legal punishment in southern Thedas in the Dragon Age, but by comparison with its European analogue - and by dint of the fact that the option is there for the Inquisitor if she so chooses - I would suggest that it's perfectly legal to have Alexius executed for what he did at Redcliffe.

 

All of that applies equally to Fiona, she invited the Venatori in, she sided with them against Teagan, she stood by and let them slaughter her tranquil who as leader of the rebellion she was responsible for. 

[Aimi]

All of that applies equally to Fiona, she invited the Venatori in, she sided with them against Teagan, she stood by and let them slaughter her tranquil who as leader of the rebellion she was responsible for.

Okay, but I wasn't talking about Fiona. I've had plenty to say about her elsewhere on these forums, believe me.

[ZoliCs]

https://en.wikipedia..._(criminal_law)

https://en.wikipedia...ttempted_murder

[The Baconer]

How would that hold up in a court of law?

 

Which court? It would certainly hold up in mine.

[Xerxes52]

I prefer to conscript him to work with the mages, but as stated above there are many reasons why he should lose his head.

 

Honestly I was surprised we couldn't deal with Fiona. As it was presented, she willingly allied with the Venatori cult. That sounds a lot like high treason, which would definitely warrant a hanging or being made tranquil.

[NoForgiveness]

You actually interfered with what he was doing by touching the amulet, thus the random explosion. Who knows what he was actually going to do, perhaps he was going to send himself into the past again.

No one actually suffered and died because the timeline never came to pass. You can't sentence someone to death because of a possibility.

Dorian said he was going to erase you completely. It would've had a similar effect. But this wasn't just a possible future. For me, that sequence really hammered in how very real it was. I mean, if the spell failed completely I probably would've spared him. But that world existed for a full year and I couldn't forgive that.

[Beren Von Ostwick]

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I submit into evidence the following:  Magister Gereon Alexius cleaning the skull of a trainquil.

 

 

This is all that matters.  I don't care about what he might have/would have/could have done in  the future.  He was directly responsble for the deaths of countless (well, I guess we could count the skulls) tranquils.

 

That said, I am not saying he *must* be executed.  Just pointing out that  there is more than enough on him to have him join Dumat in eternal silence of that is what Inky wants to do.

[actionhero112]

He destroyed the world that was only saved because of Dorian intervening.

But because the world wasn't destroyed, he didn't actually do that. The future never came to pass. That world never existed because you made it back. 

 

Again, you're killing him for something he didn't actually do. 

[Mr.House]

But because the world wasn't destroyed, he didn't actually do that. The future never came to pass. That world never existed because you made it back. 

 

Again, you're killing him for something he didn't actually do. 

He had the intent to do that, that's a crime. Like others have said, he is also responsible for the tranquil that where killed and forcing Teagan out of his land.

 

All of this is ground for execution.