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Why wouldn't you logically choose the destroy ending?


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I've been wondering why to some people it was logical to choose other options over the destroy ending - because as Shepard you are tasked to save the galaxy and "destroy" the reapers.

 

From your first encounter with Sovereign the galaxy knows that reapers can be destroyed with conventional methods (theoretically) - so when you are finally presented with a choice - why would you have a sudden change of heart and choose the other endings?

 


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I choose Syntheses most of the time, as it ceases hostility and also solves the overpopulation concerns of the Krogan. Destroy simply repeats the cycle without synthetics, and hampers the extent cultures until they can remake them, Dominate is too reliant on whether Spirit Shepard can remain objective, and not go all Renegade over every race for some perceived sleight.
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as Shepard you are tasked to save the galaxy and "destroy" the reapers.

But not at any cost. Synthesis is a more viable option. Both organics and synthetics can continue their existence while unlocking unlimited potential for both.
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But not at any cost. Synthesis is a more viable option. Both organics and synthetics can continue their existence while unlocking unlimited potential for both.

 

I'd say that's debatable. 

We are given the option in the first game to not save the council and sacrifice lives basically to destroy a single reaper.



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Every player has their own reasons to choose one of the options. No matter the goal of "stopping the Reapers". I pick Destroy now every time, but my initial choice was Synthesis, because I liked the sound of it. Just not seeing what I actually did there.

Some people liked TIM's idea of controlling the Reapers and chose it.


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I always choose destroy. I have no reason to choose the other endings
 
We destroy them or they destroy us
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Initial choice was paragon control because I thought that one more death is enough and the cuttlefish should repair what they blew up. After I listened to the Shepalyst I gotthe strangest feeling that I sacrificed the future of the galxy and the liberty of its inhabitants by handing the controls to something that only looks like Shepard on the surface.

 

So well "destroy."


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My first ending was Synthesis...... .... .... I think I grieved for several days after that. But I don't think it was a logic-based decision since its pure miasma of space magic. EDI became humanized, all organics became half machine. What are they going to eat? Are the natural world became a part of this schism. And then a lot of reapers are melded dead corpses... imagine one moment you're dying, then the reaper nanites turned your body into a half-machine living corpseand the next you come into consciousness and realized you shared a body with another corpse.... ..... nope. There's a lot of fallacy with Synthesis that I refuse to overthink about it.

 

Then the control ending...I read Dune series long before I even know what Mass Effect is and Control ending is exactly what Leto has become.... a Machine-God Emperor Shepard isn't what I want. 

 

Refuse is plain stupid but I admire those who insist on it being the real ending. 

 

Destroy is always reasonable to me. Its the only ending that doesn't treat the reapers like a special snowflake. Why would anyone want the reapers to stay? Imagine if your whole family was killed or indoctrinated or turned to husks and then this jackass suddenly decide the reapers are worth saving... I would get sooo pissed..

 

And so far, Mass Effect series always ended with some form of a huge sacrifice or deaths. The Eden Prime colonists, the Citadel folks who died during the Geth attack. The Protheans who risk their lives to prevent another cycle from happening. The hundreds and thousands of human colonists in the Traverse who was taken and killed by the Collectors. The hundreds and thousands of people at Bahak system (and remember, they kidnap people and make them as slaves. Imagine how many more innocents are killed). Then the reaper war where millions of people were killed and destroyed. But not all synthetics are destroyed. Do you remember that Geth are software intelligence and they can enter into Quarian's suits. Maybe they survive but lose their body, that's why we never see them.


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Gee I don't know maybe because it requires me to sacrifice an entire sentient race and EDI without even giving them the decency of a heads up? I don't like any of the options, but I'll take synthesis over the rest.


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I find Synthesis utterly repulsive and Control risky at best but "Shepard was tasked to destroy the Reapers" shouldn't exclude better options if they become available, so there's the logical reason for at least considering them (I'm assuming this isn't just another "this ending is best!" thread).


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I always choose destroy. I have no reason to choose the other endings

I have three other reasons: E, D and I :blush:


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I have three other reasons: E, D and I :blush:

 I don't care about the hologram turned platform


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You haven't really defeated the enemy if you adopt their methods--Samara.

 

Control and synthesis are the Reaper's methods to solve the problem, not Shepard's.


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Because I believe more good can be achieved with Paragon Control.

 

In Destroy, Organics will eventually build Synthetics again and conflict will come back. Organics will have to deal with this on their own and will most likely loose, unless they unite themselves like the Prothean Empire did in the Metacon War. Then again, someone will create Synthetics again and the patern will continue. But, Shepard can live and that's nice.

 

For Synthesis, I just don't wanna change the whole galaxy. I don't want to forcefully change people. And seriously, sentient Husks is not something I or anyone else want sooo.

 

Paragon Control allows Shepard to use the Reapers to rebuild the damage caused during the war, to protect everyone and to share knowledge from the previous cycles. It also allows Shepard to deal with the Organic-Synthetic conflict differently, perhaps in a better way. Shepard is also still around, he's just a Synthetic instead of an Organic. He could build himself a platform similar to EDI's. And can you imagine Shepard joining the council? That would be awesome.


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 I don't care about the hologram turned platform

To paraphrase Ms Traynor: "I wouldn't say 'platform'" :rolleyes:


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To paraphrase Ms Traynor: "I wouldn't say 'platform'" :rolleyes:

To paraphase Mr.themikefest "I don't care about the hologram turned platform" :devil:


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You can always "Control" the Reapers into destroying themselves. Accomplishing Destroy without as much of the draw backs.



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You can always "Control" the Reapers into destroying themselves. Accomplishing Destroy without as much of the draw backs.


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ReaperShep doesn't do that any time in the near future, if at all.
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Yeah, I don´t have the feeling that Reaper Shep is something that has many similarities to the one who uploaded themselves. You can spin your own tale of course and there is no solid data on what is left of Shep but my perception was that I don´t know this guy who was speaking to me. And that´s my reason that control  wasn´t my cup of tea.


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 you shared a body with another corpse

 

 

Think about the Cannibals. How terrible must it be to be a Batarian, then find you've got space trash grafted to your arm.


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Think about the Cannibals. How terrible must it be to be a Batarian, then find you've got space trash grafted to your arm.

 

 

or... 

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... I rather let them die and rather than preserve them eternally in such state. Let the dead rest in peace. 



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I've been wondering why to some people it was logical to choose other options over the destroy ending - because as Shepard you are tasked to save the galaxy and "destroy" the reapers.

 

From your first encounter with Sovereign the galaxy knows that reapers can be destroyed with conventional methods (theoretically) - so when you are finally presented with a choice - why would you have a sudden change of heart and choose the other endings?
 

Incorrect. As Shepard you are never really tasked to destroy the Reapers. You are tasked to stop them from killing everyone. And guess what: all endings accomplish that goal. Except Refuse. But honestly, f*ck Refuse.

 

Also Shepard can express interest in Control at least way before the ending. So It isn't really always a sudden change of hearts.

 

Me? I choose Synthesis most of the time because it seems to be the best ending (as long as you just take what is in the game slides at face value instead of putting waaay more thought into it than Bioware themselves ever did and come up with huge amounts of fridge horror just for the sake of it.)

 

... I rather let them die and rather than preserve them eternally in such state. Let the dead rest in peace. 

I'm pretty sure Husks don't reagain their original mind with Synthesis. Their mind was kind of aready destroyed to an level where they just stuble around uselessly and attack everything in sight without directions from a Reaper. And I highly doubt that after Synthesis his brain magically reforms and he remembers that his name is John McFly and runs straight back to his former house because he can now also remember that he left the water in the bath running before the Reapers kidnapped him. More likely is that they would just stay the exact same since it's even stated multiple times that indoctrination can't be reversed.

But in the unlikely event that husks do retain their mind, would a 50,01% Majority of votes for suicide from all these heads be enough or should they need a 100%-everyone agrees type of vote? ;)


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I think all fans of ME have gone through this discussion and like most I find the ending awkward at best. To add to the confusion, I have always wondered why the mass relays are destroyed in the process. We are given three choices to progress from a cycle that has been going on for millions of years and the answer is to hammer us back to the stone age?



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Incorrect. As Shepard you are never really tasked to destroy the Reapers. You are tasked to stop them from killing everyone. And guess what: all endings accomplish that goal. Except Refuse. But honestly, f*ck Refuse.

 

Not quite true. Hackett gets on the destroy train during his and Shepard's conversations, as well as Anderson later.

The famous Anderson quote: "We destroy them or they destroy us."



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I'm pretty sure Husks don't reagain their original mind with Synthesis. Their mind was kind of aready destroyed to an level where they just stuble around uselessly and attack everything in sight without directions from a Reaper. And I highly doubt that after Synthesis his brain magically reforms and he remembers that his name is John McFly and runs straight back to his former house because he can now also remember that he left the water in the bath running before the Reapers kidnapped him. More likely is that they would just stay the exact same since it's even stated multiple times that indoctrination can't be reversed.

But in the unlikely event that husks do retain their mind, would a 50,01% Majority of votes for suicide from all these heads be enough or should they need a 100%-everyone agrees type of vote? ;)

Prospective husks got thrown on a long metal thorn. As far as we know, you don´t need indoctrination, the Geth did it on Eden Prime, too. It seems that the husk in the green ending gained some kind of self awareness. 

 

Sounds weird but hey, Shepoard came back from the dead as good as new, after being exposed to vacuum, asphyxiation, orbital reentry and slamming into a planet. And that´s with Lazarus tech. Restoring a husk brain is piece of cake compared to that. :P

 

Who cares what the husks would want? We are already at the conveniently colored fate machine, deciding the future of the galaxy without consulting anyone. ^_^