Destroy = DIE REAPERS DIE DIE DIE
All others = It's ok reapers we can work together
But I'm going to FOR ONCE try a different ending on my thane play through, because I WANT Shep to die and meet him across the sea.
But in my Garrus romance i'll probably have to destroy again...I love the geth though, it hurts. 
Destroy = DIE REAPERS DIE DIE DIE
All others = It's ok reapers we can work together
This. I cannot for the life of me understand anyone who wants the reapers to survive.
I'd rather destroy the Reapers than live as a indoctrinated slave under their control.
This. I cannot for the life of me understand anyone who wants the reapers to survive.
Because using the same logic applied to Reapers Humans should be removed from existence as well. We have done just about everything they have just on a smaller scale. It is a high degree of arrogance to cry foul for someone doing the exact same thing as you are.
Reapers represent something amazing in and of themselves. Not counting the vast amount of information we could learn about the previous species that lived before us.
Reapers represent something amazing in and of themselves. Not counting the vast amount of information we could learn about the previous species that lived before us.
Sounds to me you are in awe of them.
Sounds to me you are in awe of them.
Wouldn't you be? They in and of themselves are rather amazing. The intelligence and technology makes existing species in ME universe look like Industrial Revolution to our current modern technology.
How could you not be in awe?
I'd still kill them off if given no other choice. But I won't sit there and complain about how bad they are because they harvest species over and over again. Because we do the exact same with live stock. Breeding them to how we want them even if it means altering them so far from their original set up they can no longer survive on their own. Take chickens and turkeys for example. Selective breeding to increase breast meat has made them so deformed compared to original look all female chickens and turkeys have to be artificially inseminated because they can't properly copulate.
We have killed people just because they looked differently, lived in a different area, worshiped a different god or even just because they farted in their general direction on the subway.
If I were to kill the Reapers off because there was no other choice with them or me. It would be simply because of self preservation. I'm not going to cloak it in some contradictory moral stance about how bad or evil they are because they have killed so many.
Because I just can't let EDI die for no reason.....SPOILER ALERT since Shepard's body is gonna vanish either way,it is absolutely not right to drag EDI and Glyph with you.They helped you and saved your life during this whole journey,if you are a human and have a heart and educated better,it's absolutely not right to destroy them for whatever excuse you might have. Anyway,it's also much better to use the Reapers as your advantage to rebuilt what they have destroyed...this way,even after Shepard's "death",he's still helping the galaxy.
If they turned people I cared into husks I wouldn't be in awe of them. I'd want them destroyed, IMO.
Because using the same logic applied to Reapers Humans should be removed from existence as well. We have done just about everything they have just on a smaller scale. It is a high degree of arrogance to cry foul for someone doing the exact same thing as you are.
Reapers represent something amazing in and of themselves. Not counting the vast amount of information we could learn about the previous species that lived before us.
You want to save the reapers? Really? they are worth saving at our expense?
Allowing the Reapers to live is the equivalent of letting a genocidal murderer walk free.
My reaction to pretty much everything in this thread:
''Why would anyone keep the Reapers around'' you ask?
Because they're not harvesting/indoctrinating/killing anymore.
Control: Shepard controls the Reapers. The Intelligence (the Catalyst) doesn't exist anymore and therefore the Reapers have no reason to harvest/indoctrinate/kill unless Shepard orders them to.
Synthesis: The Intelligence's purpose (which is to make lasting peace between Organics and Synthetics) has been fulfilled. The cycles are done. The Reapers share the knowledge of the previous cycles.
Here's something that alot of people seem to forget: The Reapers are tools. The Reapers arent harvesting because they want to, they do it because the Intelligence makes them do it. In Control, the Intelligence is replaced by Shepard. In Synthesis, it's purpose is fulfilled, so it doesn't have any reason to continue the harvest cycles.
I'll have my opinion and you'll have yours. The spoiler image is unnecessary though.
I wanted to Control the Reapers from the moment TIM first suggested it. It was a great idea.
No matter what Shepard was asked to do, Shepard doesn't have to like that option. Shepard doesn't have to do what he's told, or even want to do what he's told. Shepard doesn't have to respect authority. Shepard doesn't even have to care about the opinions of the council or the other races or his superiors in the Alliance military.
I'll have my opinion and you'll have yours. The spoiler image is unnecessary though.
I agree about that thing but you acted differently and that's why, I think, GalacticWolf5 answered this way.
If we take a look at your answers to gothpunkboy89, you actually wanted his to change his mind (you insisted in at least two answers to him), you played the emotional card to make him think that the reapers has to be destroyed. But the problem is that the game was made to allow people to understand the reapers (Shepard's reaction in the catalyst scene, explanation of the catalyst, and the Leviathan too). That's the different level of the games, you can keep your representations and see reapers as evil, or you can see differently. The game doesn't force the player to see the reapers in one way. It's just a matter of representation.
My reaction to pretty much everything in this thread:
Spoiler
''Why would anyone keep the Reapers around'' you ask?
Because they're not harvesting/indoctrinating/killing anymore.
Control: Shepard controls the Reapers. The Intelligence (the Catalyst) doesn't exist anymore and therefore the Reapers have no reason to harvest/indoctrinate/kill unless Shepard orders them to.
Synthesis: The Intelligence's purpose (which is to make lasting peace between Organics and Synthetics) has been fulfilled. The cycles are done. The Reapers share the knowledge of the previous cycles.
Here's something that alot of people seem to forget: The Reapers are tools. The Reapers arent harvesting because they want to, they do it because the Intelligence makes them do it. In Control, the Intelligence is replaced by Shepard. In Synthesis, it's purpose is fulfilled, so it doesn't have any reason to continue the harvest cycles.
When something is killing everything and everyone around you, you should not be stopping to suggest that you suddenl;y want to become their friends. The reapers are abhorrent. There is no excuse, they are a part of the problem and you want to make friends with them?
Really?
I'd like to pick apart your assumption that Shepard can control the reapers after his death. Shepard is.... dead. How is he meant to control anything? Tis a reaper trap and you would fall for it?
I'd like to pick apart Synthesis. The catalyst/reaper wants synthesis. It is a part of it's solution and should not be trusted. Once again why would you choose the mass genetic re-write of every sapient creature in the galaxy? Thanks for dooming us all, just like happened to the protheans.
Self determination not withstanding, I'd blow the reapers to kingdom come and not even think about it. Anything else and YOU are indoctrinated, and that is a fact.
When the reapers first start destroying everything on Earth, everyone is wondering why are the giant looking robots destroying everything. These people see their family members and friends killed. They see their neighborhoods and communities destroyed. Most likely they join the resistance to help destroy the robots. They don't want the robots to remain. They want them destroyed
For me its a no-brainer. I destroy the things all the time, every time. I have no reason to choose the other endings
It was implied before the Extended Cut that Destroy did all the things you mentioned. Actually all color-coded varieties of the endings resulted in the collapse of galactic civilization. Prior to the Extended Cut the series concluded in a rather bleak Pyrrhic Victory where the galaxy scorches its own civilization in order to save it.
It was implied by both the Normandy's stranding (originally permanent) and the Stargazer scene, where an old man born eons after the events of Mass Effect 3 expresses the dream that maybe his son will live to see a day where their people are once again space-faring.
The main function of the Extended Cut in fact was in altering the most grim aspects of the endings, at least in the High EMS versions, so that galactic civilization no longer collapses. Bioware presented the EC as merely clarifying the writers' original intent...but that was obviously nothing more than spin doctoring and damage control.
The EC was addressing the primary cause of discontent with the endings, while the official statements about the EC merely 'clarifying' the ending were an obvious attempt at avoiding criticism from both fans and gaming journalists who liked the original endings...some of whom had been quite vocal in supporting Bioware's 'artistic integrity' in the face of equally loud (and often quite angry) calls for the original endings to get a rewrite.
The stargazer scene remained in the Extended Cut, but as part of the EC it seems more like a non-canon tribute to space exploration than an extension of the High EMS endings. In fact the narration and end slides contradict it. Given how disconnected it seems from the High EMS endings the decision to keep it around seems like an odd one, unless it stayed only because it featured Buzz Aldrin in a small cameo.
I think you got it. The main theme of the original ending seemed to be primitive organic good, advanced organic bad which is maybe the whole reasoning behind the decision to make the reaper's 'misunderstood' harvesters trying to 'save' organics from themselves instead of just straight-up villains (which in my view is what the are anyway because their reasoning was deeply flawed and their actions were reprehensible). I think the Normandy crash-landing on the primitive planet and not flying again was exactly how they intended it to end: a return to a primitive paradise where our heroes will stay until they die after having many babies. I wouldn't be surprised if the Buzz scene was intended to be the same planet many thousands of years later showing the great, great,..., great grand kids of our crew.
Nice that they have reasons for rampaging through the galaxy but fulfilling these goals requires them to trample over everyone else..literally. They had a billions years to achieve their goals and all, they managed was killing countless organics and synthetics or transforming them against their will. Considering that organics managed to build a solution for the problem dealing with uppity synthettics and a device for synthesis in one device, while actively being hindered by the Reapers over several cycles,* I don´t see a reason for all this harvesting even if starkid was right. Starkid started talking when it was far too late and even then it wasn´t enough. And if you object they go right back to it, even after acknowledging that their solution isn´t viable anymore.
The Reapers are too dumb, too powerful and too eager to kill everyone else, because they think they are right to let them live. You could actually replace "think" with "believe." We never saw hard data. It could just be some corrupted data or a bug in programming because Leviathan Ware shipped their buggy program too late and never bothered with patches.
Bye Reapers, you had more than enough time to come up with something for your perceived problem and all you managed was squash everyone else like a bug.
*and they were unwilling or unable to analyze the Crucibe data and find out, the Holy Grail of Reaperism was right there. And they already had indoctrinated agents within the project.
I don't remember that being mentioned anywhere, although it's not hard to believe.And they already had indoctrinated agents within the project.
Priority Thessia. It was the reason the Crucible failed in prothean times. A splinter group argued, that they should use the Crucible to control the Reapers and sabotaged the team´s efforts. Later the other researchers found out, that the control freaks were indoctrinated.
When something is killing everything and everyone around you, you should not be stopping to suggest that you suddenl;y want to become their friends. The reapers are abhorrent. There is no excuse, they are a part of the problem and you want to make friends with them?
Really?
I'd like to pick apart your assumption that Shepard can control the reapers after his death. Shepard is.... dead. How is he meant to control anything? Tis a reaper trap and you would fall for it?
I'd like to pick apart Synthesis. The catalyst/reaper wants synthesis. It is a part of it's solution and should not be trusted. Once again why would you choose the mass genetic re-write of every sapient creature in the galaxy? Thanks for dooming us all, just like happened to the protheans.
Self determination not withstanding, I'd blow the reapers to kingdom come and not even think about it. Anything else and YOU are indoctrinated, and that is a fact.
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I'd like to pick apart Destroy. Shooting a tube is going to magically destroy the reapers, says who? Oh, right, the AI that controls the reapers. YOU are indoctrinated. So nyah. 
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As I wrote earlier in the thread, the Catalyst is telling you the truth. The Catalyst has no motivation to lie to you, because the Catalyst is *asking your opinion* on what to do with the Crucible, because the Crucible is ultimately under the Catalyst's full control. (The Alliance just handed a loaded superweapon to the AI that oversees the enemy, after all -- which was installed aboard a station that they knew was built by the enemy and full of surprises. Desperate times, I guess?)
And the Catalyst tells you you're not indoctrinated, so you're not indoctrinated, even if you pick Control or Synthesis.
Hell, if the Catalyst really were hell-bent on triggering the Synthesis ending, it could lie to you and say that sacrificing yourself down the green path was the key to destroying the reapers -- and you'd do it, because the glowy kid said "destroy" and "reapers". You actually get the Destroy ending when you pick Destroy, so clearly the Catalyst isn't screwing with you. It didn't have to be honest with you, except that it *chose* to ask your advice.
As said destroy just repeats the cycle. What's to stop future species from creating more synthetics that will turn against them? Synthesis is a the next step of evolution in the galaxy. To me it sounds like perfect peace between all species (mostly).
The Catalyst analysis is faulty. It underestimated the resourcefulness of organics. This cycle just banged together some stuff others designed and got a Crucible out of it, a device capable of fulfilling the Catalyst´s ultimate "desire" and kill synthetics in one handy device. if the Catalyst had let the more knowledgeable builders survive and made them aware of this "problem" instead of wiping them out, the problem would have been solved long ago. And it never provided hard data, which was reviewed or scrutinised. All of that could be based on pure belief and as ridiculous as geth worshipping a Reaper, sooked up by an AI with buggy code.
The spacefaring species of the galaxy have to die because some dude is utterly convinced that they have to. It never showed anything that makes it more than a silly philosophy religion, ideology or whatever label you want to slap on it.
As I wrote earlier in the thread, the Catalyst is telling you the truth. The Catalyst has no motivation to lie to you, because the Catalyst is *asking your opinion* on what to do with the Crucible, because the Crucible is ultimately under the Catalyst's full control. (The Alliance just handed a loaded superweapon to the AI that oversees the enemy, after all -- which was installed aboard a station that they knew was built by the enemy and full of surprises. Desperate times, I guess?)
Low EMS endings indicate that the Catalyst isn´t actually in full control of itself. If Destroy is the only possibility, it clearly resents it and still points you to the right direction, raising the platforms to go there in the process. As the Ai says itself, destroying synthetics won´t help, as peace won´t last. And it clearly had a preference which wasn´t Control or Destroy.
And the thing still needed you. If you refuse to decide, it just goes on with the harvest. So it doesn´t say, uh well, if you don´t like to jump into the green beam, I have total control anyways and activate synthesis now because I don´t lie and synthesis is awesome. The catalyst had clearly stated opinions what it´s preferences are.
So nope, no Catalyst with full control.
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I'd like to pick apart Destroy. Shooting a tube is going to magically destroy the reapers, says who? Oh, right, the AI that controls the reapers. YOU are indoctrinated. So nyah.
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As I wrote earlier in the thread, the Catalyst is telling you the truth. The Catalyst has no motivation to lie to you, because the Catalyst is *asking your opinion* on what to do with the Crucible, because the Crucible is ultimately under the Catalyst's full control. (The Alliance just handed a loaded superweapon to the AI that oversees the enemy, after all -- which was installed aboard a station that they knew was built by the enemy and full of surprises. Desperate times, I guess?)
And the Catalyst tells you you're not indoctrinated, so you're not indoctrinated, even if you pick Control or Synthesis.
Hell, if the Catalyst really were hell-bent on triggering the Synthesis ending, it could lie to you and say that sacrificing yourself down the green path was the key to destroying the reapers -- and you'd do it, because the glowy kid said "destroy" and "reapers". You actually get the Destroy ending when you pick Destroy, so clearly the Catalyst isn't screwing with you. It didn't have to be honest with you, except that it *chose* to ask your advice.
never the less, as far as i'm aware the overall undeniable factors are that in synthesis and control you (mass effect supposedly being an RPG so when I say you I mean shep) die. This is an undeniable fact. In control you are vapourised. In synthesis you jump into a beam of questionable content the just so happens to lead up into the reaper baby chamber. The only ending choice which has you survive is Destroy. If you take the game literally that is. or is it?
Refuse also has you survive, but things take a turn for the worse. apparently the next cycle defeated the reapers because they chose wisely... damn cutscenes.
or did they? What if refusal by some weird and wonderful logic actually weakened the reapers and they were beaten? Look at this like a cause / effect scenario in as far as the more we fight, the more they fight, meaning we fight harder, making them fight harder.....etc.
Maybe the answer is the break the cycle by refusing to give starjar what he wants?
This game still has us asking so many questions. I'd still blow the reapers to hell and take our chances, because it buys us another 50,000 years. Submitting to the reapers by either synthesis or control means that it is in effect game over for everyone and everything.
of course the breath scene renders both synthesis and control utterly redundant.
Because Shepard is alive? I am be ok with Shep dying, if the tradeoff was worth it and/or meaningful. Actually I choose Control in my first playthrough, because it would minimize further casualties and you could rebuild the galaxy faster (let the Reapers repair what they smashed to bits and pieces). Or that was my thought at the time. After the Shepalyst opened his mouth and talked about thisgreat future of his, I became horrified and reloaded.
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