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[Elhanan]

as anderson stated "we destroy them, or they destroy us"..
 
There is no other way.  Control (shep dies) or synthebodge (shep dies) are not alternatives imo..
 
Both Control & Synthebodge result in our obliteration.  Control ends the current cycle, human slusho incorporated into a shep powered reaper.  Synthebodge is the forced removal of diversity and enforced reliance on your reaper bretheren.  Yeah good idea.  Subject the whole galactic community to the fate that befell the Protheans.
 
Just shoot the tube and wake up.

Anderson did not know all the options.

Synthesis still yields a diverse galaxy, but one with a common DNA sequence. All Humans, Turians, Krogans, etc are sill different species shown living on individual planets, but now have a synthetic marker that bonds all life. Am not aware the Protheans had anything like this at all; only Imperial servitude.

[themikefest]

Anderson did not know all the options.

He didn't need to

 

Destroy FTW

[Elhanan]

He didn't need to
 
Destroy FTW

Informed > Uninformed

Synthesis FTW

[Monica21]

Synthesis still yields a diverse galaxy, but one with a common DNA sequence. All Humans, Turians, Krogans, etc are sill different species shown living on individual planets, but now have a synthetic marker that bonds all life. Am not aware the Protheans had anything like this at all; only Imperial servitude.

 

Humans have a diverse planet and a common DNA sequence and that doesn't stop us from being total assholes to each other. Why would making us part computer change this? The Catalyst doesn't actually answer the question of "Will there be peace?" He says, "The cycle will end. The Reapers will cease their harvest, and the civilizations, preserved in their forms, will be connected to all of us. Synthesis is the final evolution of all life."

 

All that means is that the Reapers won't come back. It does not offer a promise of Galactic peace. It does promise that there will be nothing left for organics to achieve.

[rossler]

Who said anything about surrendering. They need to go away. No, nobody else tried that because nobody else talked to the Catalyst.

 

And what makes you think that they would even listen to Shepard?

 

Here's what I think might happen. This, followed by this.

[Elhanan]

Humans have a diverse planet and a common DNA sequence and that doesn't stop us from being total assholes to each other. Why would making us part computer change this? The Catalyst doesn't actually answer the question of "Will there be peace?" He says, "The cycle will end. The Reapers will cease their harvest, and the civilizations, preserved in their forms, will be connected to all of us. Synthesis is the final evolution of all life."
 
All that means is that the Reapers won't come back. It does not offer a promise of Galactic peace. It does promise that there will be nothing left for organics to achieve.

And the epilogue states otherwise. Guess the gamble paid off for galactic peas....

[Quarian Master Race]

And the epilogue states otherwise. Guess the gamble paid off for galactic peas....

The epilogue for destroy also doesn't show the "inevitable" robo rebellion at any point
does that mean it never happens, therefore Catalyst was talking claptrap and Synthesis is unessesary?

[Dantriges]

And what makes you think that they would even listen to Shepard?

 

Here's what I think might happen. This, followed by this.

 

Becaue the solution isn´t viable anymore according to the Reaper mastermind? Considering that the solution was a bunch of crap before; I don´t buy the interpretation that it´s only because it´s only not viable because Space Jesus waves its giant dingamingalinglong and if that doesn´t happen, ups, now it´s viable again. The Catalyst let Shep upstairs after all.

[gothpunkboy89]

You're right about people trying to advance themselves with technology but that has nothing to do with trusting the Catalyst that the options will do what it says they will do.

 

I know how DNA works. If the stop command is broken, it's not a new form of DNA. It's a broken DNA strand, or at least a broken copying mechanism.

 

It has everything to do with it. Why would the AI lie about one thing. Yet give you the option to destory everything it has worked for and cause the very problem it has been working against for uncountable years to happen?

 

If any one option is true then all other options are equally true.

 

The DNA is corrupted removing the parts that program the stop function. The DNA is rewritten into a new form that lacks the necessary stop function. Or lets put this another way if we took two identical cars. One of them I left alone and the other I completely removed the break system. Would you consider them identical cars anymore? Or would you separate them into two different categories because one has functioning breaks and one does not?

[Monica21]

And the epilogue states otherwise. Guess the gamble paid off for galactic peas....

All of the epilogues are hippy epilogues. If we're going to go off that instead of the information Shepard has at the time he makes his choice, then my choice is just as good as yours.

[Iakus]

And the epilogue states otherwise. Guess the gamble paid off for galactic peas....

Because everyone got smilies stamped on their souls.

 

For the greater good, of course

[Elhanan]

All of the epilogues are hippy epilogues. If we're going to go off that instead of the information Shepard has at the time he makes his choice, then my choice is just as good as yours.

Of course it is; tis a solo game. But in my 'Verse, synthesis wins almost every time.

[rossler]

Becaue the solution isn´t viable anymore according to the Reaper mastermind? Considering that the solution was a bunch of crap before; I don´t buy the interpretation that it´s only because it´s only not viable because Space Jesus waves its giant dingamingalinglong and if that doesn´t happen, ups, now it´s viable again. The Catalyst let Shep upstairs after all.

 

The game makes it pretty clear he doesn't want to deal with you. You are only allowed to choose control, synthesis, destroy and refuse. There is no other options presented. See, when you refuse the choices presented to you (shoot him), he gets mad and the Reapers kill everyone. Game over

[Dantriges]

The catalyst wouldn´t need to, if it left you downstairs to bleed out.

[Natureguy85]

Informed > Uninformed

Synthesis FTW

 

You don't have enough information to make an informed decision. The only info you have is questionable.

 

 

 

All of the epilogues are hippy epilogues. If we're going to go off that instead of the information Shepard has at the time he makes his choice, then my choice is just as good as yours.

 

No, then Destroy moves slightly ahead by virtue of being clear cut rather than strange and unknown.

 

 

It has everything to do with it. Why would the AI lie about one thing. Yet give you the option to destory everything it has worked for and cause the very problem it has been working against for uncountable years to happen?

 

If any one option is true then all other options are equally true.

 

The DNA is corrupted removing the parts that program the stop function. The DNA is rewritten into a new form that lacks the necessary stop function. Or lets put this another way if we took two identical cars. One of them I left alone and the other I completely removed the break system. Would you consider them identical cars anymore? Or would you separate them into two different categories because one has functioning breaks and one does not?

 

Why it allows for Destroy is a question no matter how you look at the ending. If the solution won't work anymore and we need a new solution because the problem is still present, then why would it allow itself and the Reapers to be Destroyed? Reapers are manipulators so the idea that if one is true, the others must also be true is incorrect. We have no reason to trust any of them. However, it clearly wants Synthesis which is a big "stay away" in my book.

 

I would say they were both cars. You didn't redesign or remake the one. You broke it. Either way, this is just semantics.

[Dani86]

Humans have a diverse planet and a common DNA sequence and that doesn't stop us from being total assholes to each other. Why would making us part computer change this? The Catalyst doesn't actually answer the question of "Will there be peace?" He says, "The cycle will end. The Reapers will cease their harvest, and the civilizations, preserved in their forms, will be connected to all of us. Synthesis is the final evolution of all life."

 

All that means is that the Reapers won't come back. It does not offer a promise of Galactic peace. It does promise that there will be nothing left for organics to achieve.

 

 

I agree and I've made the same point here myself. The humans on this board can't agree on anything despite the fact that we all have the same DNA and we are talking about a video game. Now imagine instead of arguing about the rather illogical ending to a video game in the hypothetical, we were talking about who gets access to clean water (do Robo-humans and Robo-asari, etc still drink? who knows?! no one knows what Shepard would be forcing everyone to become!) or the next habitable planet when population pressures increase. Conflict is inevitable. Turning everyone into a Robo hybrid won't change that.  

[Dani86]

And Destroy is only unappealing if you have lower EMS and put robots on the same level as people. One reason I pick Destroy is that the story never made me care about the Geth or AIs generally, but only EDI and Legion specifically, and Legion is always dead at that point.

 

I see your point. I think even if you believe that fully-evolved AI's = sentient organics, destroy is still the best option. If the Catalyst somehow killed all the humans when it destroyed the reapers but allowed all the other races to live free of the reapers, I still would have picked destroy. One race to save all the others is horrible but better than the other options. 

[gothpunkboy89]

You don't have enough information to make an informed decision. The only info you have is questionable.

 

 

 

 

No, then Destroy moves slightly ahead by virtue of being clear cut rather than strange and unknown.

 

 

 

Why it allows for Destroy is a question no matter how you look at the ending. If the solution won't work anymore and we need a new solution because the problem is still present, then why would it allow itself and the Reapers to be Destroyed? Reapers are manipulators so the idea that if one is true, the others must also be true is incorrect. However, we have no reason to trust any of them. However, it clearly wants Synthesis which is a big "stay away" in my book.

 

I would say they were both cars. You didn't redesign or remake the one. You broke it. Either way, this is just semantics.

 

You don't have enough information to make the call about Destroy either. You have no idea what it would actually do. Frankly the only choice you have that you have any valid amount of information about is the Refuse option. All others are based on assumptions or that the AI is telling the truth. Since you claim the AI isn't telling the truth. Then if you still choose destroy then you are using the same uninformed decision you claim is being used for Synthesis.

 

I do believe the term for someone who calls someone out on not have enough information to make an informed decision. Then makes a choice without enough information to make an informed decision is a hypocrite.

 

Synthesis is rather clear cut. It is only strange and unknown because you want it to be strange and unknown. You create all these head cannon ideas to vilify it without any actual information to back it up. Yet you use the same head cannon set up to glorify and push your ideal ending is the best.

 

If the Reapers are manipulators then why would they manipulate you into destroying them? Or giving them complete control over them? The logic you use doesn't add up in the slightest. No matter how much you want 2+2 = 8 that isn't how it works.  You also again overly simplify the actions of the AI and Reapers. Which is rather funny to me. Because it shows a desperate attempt to push your own ideology rather then the real one. Much like how US schools tend to gloss over a lot of things that happened in the Revolutionary War. To push the ideology of America is great look at how we threw off the shackles of oppression. Requiring you to either be a history buff and look up information yourself or take a class in College to get the real picture of what happened. Which really alters the picture of what happened.

 

But lets put this another way...

 

Fact 1 Shepard was going to die regardless of AI's interaction

Fact 2 The Reapers were capable of defeating and harvesting the Cycle regardless of Shepard's choice

Fact 3 Because the Reapers could defeat and harvest the galaxy there was no reason for the AI to even interact with Shep.

Fact 4 Both Control and Destroy do exactly as AI said would happen

 

So why would the AI even give Shep the choice? Why would it tell the truth about Destroy and Control but some how make a massive lie up about Synthesis? How do you know the Crusible would effect effect Reapers only?

 

The only information you have is a Prothean VI who admits it was never even tested and sheer optimism from current cycle races. How is that an informed choice when for all you know it could avoid all Reapers and hit only non Reapers. Making it even easier to finish everyone off?

 

You call it semantics but it is rather important when talking about genetic diversity.

[gothpunkboy89]

I agree and I've made the same point here myself. The humans on this board can't agree on anything despite the fact that we all have the same DNA and we are talking about a video game. Now imagine instead of arguing about the rather illogical ending to a video game in the hypothetical, we were talking about who gets access to clean water (do Robo-humans and Robo-asari, etc still drink? who knows?! no one knows what Shepard would be forcing everyone to become!) or the next habitable planet when population pressures increase. Conflict is inevitable. Turning everyone into a Robo hybrid won't change that.  

 

 

It will change it if the issue is conflict between Organic and Synthetic life.  He never claimed world peace. Only that the conflict between organic and synthetic wouldn't happen.

[Elhanan]

You don't have enough information to make an informed decision. The only info you have is questionable.

Agreed, but all are questionable. As Synthesis is a new option, and am opposed to the others, the information at hand was worth the sacrifice. And it apparently works rather well.

[Dantriges]

But lets put this another way...

 

Fact 1 Shepard was going to die regardless of AI's interaction

Fact 2 The Reapers were capable of defeating and harvesting the Cycle regardless of Shepard's choice

Fact 3 Because the Reapers could defeat and harvest the galaxy there was no reason for the AI to even interact with Shep.

Fact 4 Both Control and Destroy do exactly as AI said would happen

 

So why would the AI even give Shep the choice? Why would it tell the truth about Destroy and Control but some how make a massive lie up about Synthesis? How do you know the Crusible would effect effect Reapers only?

 

The only information you have is a Prothean VI who admits it was never even tested and sheer optimism from current cycle races. How is that an informed choice when for all you know it could avoid all Reapers and hit only non Reapers. Making it even easier to finish everyone off?

 

Yep and for all that and more, all that stuff makes no sense. The only half way sensible conclusion which isnt supported at all, is that Catakid is not in control anymore for some time at least.

Or snip out the whole end and mod it with something else.

[gothpunkboy89]

Yep and for all that and more, all that stuff makes no sense. The only half way sensible conclusion which isnt supported at all, is that Catakid is not in control anymore for some time at least.

Or snip out the whole end and mod it with something else.

 

 

Actually it makes sense completely. How ever in your attempts to justify only one ending. Making up your own head cannon stuff about how bad all the other are you need to twist the logic around till it makes no sense what so ever.

[Dantriges]

Oh really? Which one?

[gothpunkboy89]

Your going to have to be more specific.

[Dantriges]

How ever in your attempts to justify only one ending.

 

Which one?

 

Which one do I try to justify by twisting logic.

 

Specific enough?