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[Eryri]

Brutes

And Cannibals. and even worse, Pretorians.

[Dani86]

First, faith is not the Indiana Jones stepping out on an invisible bridge moment that some imagine. It is belief based on past evidence of promises kept.

And Synthesis did not kill anyone; inoculated everyone against famine, overpopulation, low immune diseases, the current war, ignorance, and a bevy of other ailments. Believe it is Destroy that kills; thus the handle.

 

You don't know any of this. None of this is canon. It reminds me of that bible hymn, only instead of the bible, it's the reapers that you take as the 'bible truth': 

 

'Synthesis is the answer, this I know

Because the reapers told me so'

 

PS, the definition of faith: 'strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.' If there is any proof or evidence, by definition, it's not faith. 

[Dani86]

The Synthesis epilogue shows that past acquired intel is used to help all races, and that reconstruction is a positive thing with the aid of all.

 

Until one group of Synth-Organics convinces the all-powerful reapers to join them in destroying another group of Synth-Organics. I said it before and I'll say it again, all individuals have disagreements, all individuals fight, all individuals tend to group together to the exclusion of others ie the Geth versus the Geth-heretics. It doesn't matter if they magically have green circuitry or not. Synthesis solves nothing. 

[Elhanan]

Until one group of Synth-Organics convinces the all-powerful reapers to join them in destroying another group of Synth-Organics. I said it before and I'll say it again, all individuals have disagreements, all individuals fight, all individuals tend to group together to the exclusion of others ie the Geth versus the Geth-heretics. It doesn't matter if they magically have green circuitry or not. Synthesis solves nothing.

And the epilogue clearly indicates this is incorrect. Ignoring the facts is unwise.

[Dani86]

And the epilogue clearly indicates this is incorrect. Ignoring the facts is unwise.

 

The epilogue was immediately after the War. The epilogue for destroy is for right after the War as well and it too shows a beautiful galaxy where everything is restored better than it was pre-War and everyone lives in peace, harmony and wealth. So what?  

[Elhanan]

The epilogue was immediately after the War. The epilogue for destroy is for right after the War as well and it too shows a beautiful galaxy where everything is restored better than it was pre-War and everyone lives in peace, harmony and wealth. So what?

The epilogue for Destroy end in hopeful speculation, Quarians in masks, marooned organics, wayward fleets, and the death of Synthetic life. Synthesis ends with solutions.

[Monica21]

The epilogue for Destroy end in hopeful speculation, Quarians in masks, marooned organics, wayward fleets, and the death of Synthetic life. Synthesis ends with solutions.

 

Okay, let me try this. I don't want to be part synthetic. I'm telling you that, given the choice, I would refuse it for me. Are you going to make the decision to force that on me regardless of my personal wishes?

[themikefest]

And Cannibals. and even worse, Pretorians.

don't forget the screamers, I mean the banshees

 

And the scion

[straykat]

Hopeful speculation is good. It means anyone can come up with solutions.. multiple solutions.. where life goes on little by little.

 

Just not THE Solution. That never goes well. Unless you can prove you're God. And I don't think "The Shepard" qualifies...as much as the idea gives people warm fuzzies.

 

Eh.. I'm starting to get flashbacks of the Dune story now. It's about playing God and coming up with "solutions" too..

 

Wait, I won't spoil it.

[Elhanan]

Okay, let me try this. I don't want to be part synthetic. I'm telling you that, given the choice, I would refuse it for me. Are you going to make the decision to force that on me regardless of my personal wishes?

As this was an unknown to Shepard before arrival, it is irrelevant.

[Mrs_Stick]

It's not irrelevant to think how the rest of the galaxy will react to you changing Thier entire dna structure.

[Monica21]

As this was an unknown to Shepard before arrival, it is irrelevant.

 

Oh, surely you can do better than that. You can't believe that Shepard thinks that everyone agrees with him, can you? That everyone wants to have their DNA rewritten? That everyone wants to become part machine? Trillions of lives in the galaxy and they all agree with Shepard? It is relevant. If even one person doesn't want Synthesis, then your Shepard is nothing but a dead despot.

[straykat]

As this was an unknown to Shepard before arrival, it is irrelevant.

 

Before Arrival, they were just presented as "bad" and no one cared about anything except Destroy. And the games didn't let you think otherwise, even if you were the odd one out.

[Elhanan]

Oh, surely you can do better than that. You can't believe that Shepard thinks that everyone agrees with him, can you? That everyone wants to have their DNA rewritten? That everyone wants to become part machine? Trillions of lives in the galaxy and they all agree with Shepard? It is relevant. If even one person doesn't want Synthesis, then your Shepard is nothing but a dead despot.

As opposed to those that disagree with the other choices? Synthesis FTW

[KaiserShep]

As opposed to those that disagree with the other choices? Synthesis FTW

 

 

I think in the end, what would really play the biggest factor is the answer to the question "Do the reapers die or not?" Some might be able to take or leave the whole universal augmentation thing, but I think the galaxy would be pretty much united in the decision that would end with dead reapers. I guess the geth, EDI and perhaps Joker may object, but I doubt the number of people that care would break past double digits, considering what's happening.

[straykat]

As opposed to those that disagree with the other choices? Synthesis FTW

 

I'd say the poster stated that badly...unfortunately.

 

Because there's far more than one person.

 

I might actually agree if it was only one.

[Monica21]

As opposed to those that disagree with the other choices? Synthesis FTW

 

That's not an answer. You're avoiding the fact that the choice you make is likely an unwanted choice by trillions of organics. But your choice changes everything about what makes them who they are, because you've made a subjective determination about what's "best" instead of allowing organics to determine their own fate.

[Elhanan]

I think in the end, what would really play the biggest factor is the answer to the question "Do the reapers die or not?" Some might be able to take or leave the whole universal augmentation thing, but I think the galaxy would be pretty much united in the decision that would end with dead reapers. I guess the geth, EDI and perhaps Joker may object, but I doubt the number of people that care would break past double digits, considering what's happening.

For the majority of the story, it is about Destroy or Control. Then in the eleventh hour, we are then given the choices of Synthesis or do nothing. As others are not available or aware of these latter options, it falls on Shepard to choose. In this case via Shepard, I choose the option that repairs more problems, and pacifies the Reapers.

[Elhanan]

That's not an answer. You're avoiding the fact that the choice you make is likely an unwanted choice by trillions of organics. But your choice changes everything about what makes them who they are, because you've made a subjective determination about what's "best" instead of allowing organics to determine their own fate.

Nobody is opposed at the time the decision is being made because they are not even aware of it.

[themikefest]

Nobody is opposed at the time the decision is being made because they are not even aware of it.

But Shepard is.aware of what will happen. Shepard knows it will change people before jumping in the beam of magic. Shepard doesn't speak for me or my family and friends. They wouldn't want the green stuff. They want the giant looking robots destroyed

[Monica21]

Nobody is opposed at the time the decision is being made because they are not even aware of it.

 

"Everybody is ignorant of this" is not an argument in favor of. The United States is currently engaged in large-scale surveillance of its citizens. I don't want to be surveilled, but I had no idea this was happening until Edward Snowden told me it was happening. Just because I don't have the information to tell my government that I don't want to be surveilled doesn't mean that I'm passively agreeing to it.

[straykat]

Even if they were ignorant, you'd be hard pressed to find people choosing to team up with the very things that are killing everything and everyone they loved. And no one places their last ditch hopes in Shepard for anything but.

 

It's like expecting Holocaust survivors to start hugging Nazis within moments after seeing their wives and kids getting lined up to be gassed.

 

edit: Oops... I went Godwin on ya. Sorry

[Elhanan]

But Shepard is.aware of what will happen. Shepard knows it will change people before jumping in the beam of magic. Shepard doesn't speak for me or my family and friends. They wouldn't want the green stuff. They want the giant looking robots destroyed

Shepard is making the choice; not open to a straw poll. Synthesis ends the threat, and solves problems that Destroy cannot.

[straykat]

Shepard is making the choice; not open to a straw poll. Synthesis end the threat, and solves problems that Destroy cannot.

 

A problem only the Catalyst sees... who's been controlling the parameters for eons. It's part of the very problem it thinks it's trying to solve.

 

Life has never even been given a chance to thrive beyond the boundaries set in place.

 

But when things get out of their grasp, look what happens. The unpredictable. And it admits this. "Clearly organics are more resourceful than we realized."

[KaiserShep]

The epilogue for Destroy end in hopeful speculation, Quarians in masks, marooned organics, wayward fleets, and the death of Synthetic life. Synthesis ends with solutions.

 

They don't really look all that marooned. I guess I missed the slide of the turians standing on line for dextro soup in the new earth slums of London. I am curious as to why the quarians couldn't figure out the whole immunity boosting thing. I mean, the geth are strictly software, so their suits are fully capable of doing this with the right tweaks.