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[gothpunkboy89]

Oh my.

 

did I actually post any information that was wrong?

[rossler]

Mac Walters was specifically responding to a question about post-ending DLC. That is, DLC which takes place in the universe's timeline AFTER the Crucible has been fired.

He very specifically called out the universe post-crucible as being a 'wasteland', and the tweet was posted before work on the Extended Cut was announced. That shows the original authorial intent was to "Torch the franchise and run". To make it impossible to continue with the Mass Effect universe as it was and possibly to do away with the Mass Effect universe altogether in favor of 'a new vision' of some kind.

The only way to torch the franchise would be in the low EMS destroy when a huge wave of fire vaporizes everything. That's only in one ending, not all of them.

I got the ending where the Reapers were destroyed, Shepard lived, and became a legend.

You must have got the low EMS ending, or are pessimistic about everything regarding the ending. Not sure which.

[Iakus]

The only way to torch the franchise would be in the low EMS destroy when a huge wave of fire vaporizes everything. That's only in one ending, not all of them.

I got the ending where the Reapers were destroyed, Shepard lived, and became a legend.

You must have got the low EMS ending, or are pessimistic about everything regarding the ending. Not sure which.

Given it was an exact quote from Mac Walters, I would say he's the "pessimistic" one...

 

And in the original endings, the relay network fries in all the endings.

[rossler]

It doesn't destroy the franchise though. You still have planets and such. Humanity and other species did well for themselves without fast travel between parts of the galaxy.

Mac isn't being pessimistic. No mass relays doesn't automatically equal doom and death. Open your mind a bit.

[Monica21]

The only way to torch the franchise would be in the low EMS destroy when a huge wave of fire vaporizes everything. That's only in one ending, not all of them.

I think "torch the franchise" meant that there wouldn't be any ME sequels. At least no continuation of Shepard's story, because there's nothing to do. I mean, I guess you could play some guy who's working on a space station orbiting Pluto because he's working on rebuilding the Charon Relay, but I don't know how Mass Effect-y that would be.
 

I got the ending where the Reapers were destroyed, Shepard lived, and became a legend.

Okay then.
 

You must have got the low EMS ending, or are pessimistic about everything regarding the ending. Not sure which.

I'm sure that's exactly what the problem is.
 

It doesn't destroy the franchise though. You still have planets and such. Humanity and other species did well for themselves without fast travel between parts of the galaxy.

It does destroy the franchise in the sense that there are no mass effect relays and you can no longer roam the galaxy. You're stuck on whatever world you were on when the relays blew up. Do you understand this? It's an incredibly simple concept.
 

Mac isn't being pessimistic. No mass relays doesn't automatically equal doom and death. Open your mind a bit.

Iakus is quoting you about being pessimistic. Hence the quotes around the word "pessimistic."

[Natureguy85]

During the Prothean invasion, each mass relay was isolated from the other ones. Transportation and communication were crippled across the entire Milky Way. So it happened before, and it was supposed to happen again with this cycle. Until people demanded a retcon and changed the story. 

 

That was due to the Reapers controlling the Relays. This time it's due to the Crucible destroying them. Even you can tell the difference, right?

 

 

 

Yes, all DLC for Mass Effect 3 is meant to be played before Priority: Earth, but it was never an inevitable decision. In Mass Effect 2, you certainly could play DLC after the Collector Base missions, that is, after the ending of the game.

 

In fact, Arrival works best after you finish the Collector base.  Talking to Harbinger the Reaper rather than Harbinger the Collector General ties it better to the series.

 

 

I like the endings; dislike the Star Child, final battle, and long cut-scenes contained therein.
 

 

I'm sure you could clarify but this sounds like "I like the endings, but dislike most of everything in them."

 

 

Oh my.

 

Careful, Rossler will report you.

 

 

Will The Circle (Rannoch Debate) Be Unbroken? 

 

Don't say that. That song makes me sad after playing Bioshock Infinite.  It's a beautiful song but the ending of the game was unsettling. And "Burial at Sea" pissed me off.

 

 

It doesn't destroy the franchise though. You still have planets and such. Humanity and other species did well for themselves without fast travel between parts of the galaxy.

Mac isn't being pessimistic. No mass relays doesn't automatically equal doom and death. Open your mind a bit.

 

And how does that happen? How do colonies now separated from other worlds by centuries of FTL travel get by?

How about you use your mind a bit?

[Monica21]

Careful, Rossler will report you.

Ooo, the tension... 
 

Don't say that. That song makes me sad after playing Bioshock Infinite.  It's a beautiful song but the ending of the game was unsettling. And "Burial at Sea" pissed me off.

Here. You'll never get the sax line out of your head. 

[Monica21]

did I actually post any information that was wrong?

 

Oh, I have no idea. I didn't actually read it because it was really long. But you were responding to QMR who, I can only hope, replies to you in the usual way. It'll be fun for me is all. I'm a fan of good conversation. 

[rossler]

I think "torch the franchise" meant that there wouldn't be any ME sequels. At least no continuation of Shepard's story, because there's nothing to do. I mean, I guess you could play some guy who's working on a space station orbiting Pluto because he's working on rebuilding the Charon Relay, but I don't know how Mass Effect-y that would be.

 

Shepard's story was planned only for 3 games. That doesn't mean the franchise is going to end.

 

And how does that happen? How do colonies now separated from other worlds by centuries of FTL travel get by?

How about you use your mind a bit?

 

Ask the Krogan. They got by just fine without space flight. Humanity got by just fine before they invented space flight. It's a bit of a change, but they'll be fine.

 

That was due to the Reapers controlling the Relays. This time it's due to the Crucible destroying them. Even you can tell the difference, right?

 

The Reapers took control of the Citadel, and the mass relays just after Cronos Station. If you control the Citadel, you control the mass relay network. They took control of the Citadel, moved it to Earth (to protect it), and shut down the mass relays, except for the one going to Earth. They already had control of the Citadel before Shepard and co came to Earth. They did the same thing as they did in the Prothean invasion.

 

What it boils down to is your old argument of "no space travel will doom many colonies". Which I've countered by using the Krogan and humanity pre-space flight as examples of societies which did well despite no space travel.

 

But hey, even Drew K said this much hated ending is similar to his original plan, with a few tweaks. Love it or hate it, this is the ending that was supposed to be.

[correctamundo]

No doubt some or many colonies/enclaves will perish. I don't see how that would torch the franchise though.

[Prince Enigmatic]

 

Don't say that. That song makes me sad after playing Bioshock Infinite.  It's a beautiful song but the ending of the game was unsettling. And "Burial at Sea" pissed me off.

 

Elizabeth's Theme I find even sadder. Infinite's ending is another one I feel will still be remembered and talked about for years to come, for better or worse. If that game had been willing to take the risk of toning down a lot of the AAA aspects like endless shooting galleries and the requirement for Vigors, and more focus on easily the most compelling aspect, the story, then I think Infinite would have easily been as good as the first BioShock.

 

Burial At Sea... oh boy. 

 

Why, just why? Playing that DLC was painful, especially Episode 2. It's not so much that the storytelling or DLC is bad, it's just so depressing.

[gothpunkboy89]

I know right? That statement is so perfectly hilarious in its irony given the content he's responsible for in this thread, that I can scarcely believe this guy isn't some massive troll.

 

yes, practically all of it starting with the completely unrelated kamikaze nonsense (which is self described in its own codex entry as being the in universe idea of "armchair admirals" that only a fuckin' idiot would suggest as an actual effective strategy), all the way down through your massive essay of geth fan wanking, down to where you claimed Admiral Useless warns her fleet about the Reaper code being re-uploaded or her fleet flying into a trap, in a video that explicitly shows her just trying to go over Gerrel's head and command his fleet to do things without any sort of reasoning or justification provided (and rightfully being ignored by her superior), to claiming the quarians can't fight on the ground against the geth, even though we've had one doing so quite effectively in all 3 games of the trilogy, see another one literally fending off an entire geth platoon by himself, and have no less than 5 different types of quarian marine in the canon multiplayer complete with weapons specifically designed by the quarians for killing geth.

I actually had a point by point refutation of the first half of it, but unfortunately forgot to save it before hitting post and my login timed out. Not that it really matters. You've basically gone into full on one sided fan wanking of the geth and mindless bashing of the quarians, which isn't really relevent to this thread, and I've no desire to participate further.

Sorry to everyone who wanted to see me humiliate this guy again. I had some good jokes and everything, but I simply don't have the motivation to spend another hour of my life rewriting a bunch of meaningless crap to defeat someone with downie level reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, unless someone wants to pay me for it.

 

So wait you wanking for the Quarians is good?

 

But me doing the same for the Geth is bad?

 

Hypocrisy much?

 

Also the arm chair admiral's don't have to deal with the effects of losing a ship and cost to replace it. I repeat the Reapers don't care about that stuff they would self destruct the entire Geth fleet if it got what they wanted with the same amount of hesitation or care as you swatting a mosquito.

[Bowlcuts]

Sorry to everyone who wanted to see me humiliate this guy again. I had some good jokes and everything, but I simply don't have the motivation to spend another hour of my life rewriting a bunch of meaningless crap to defeat someone with downie level reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, unless someone wants to pay me for it.

At least I can see your justification for hating most toaster fanbois. Well, we aren't all that bad, right?

 

God what a horrid thread, my brain cells are packing their bags and taking shore leave as we speak.

[Monica21]

Sorry to everyone who wanted to see me humiliate this guy again. I had some good jokes and everything, but I simply don't have the motivation to spend another hour of my life rewriting a bunch of meaningless crap to defeat someone with downie level reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, unless someone wants to pay me for it.

I have.... *checks*.... three dollars in my PayPal.

[Quarian Master Race]

So wait you wanking for the Quarians is good?

 

But me doing the same for the Geth is bad?

 

Hypocrisy much?

I'm not fan wanking. I like the quarians and have a particular interest in them in this setting, but acknowledge their deficiencies (such as small number of ground forces and low population in general), and use information provided by the lore to inform my arguments. You just make up random opinionated nonsense, for instance "teh qwerians have teh plan of a 5 year old" or "der fleet sux, geoff one is bettar", even though the game practically smacks you over the head with them being tactical/strategic and technological masterminds everywhere it describes them, and then gives their fleet nearly twice the War Assets of the geth one (780 maximum vs 455 maximum), and more than anyone else's. We can't actually have effective discourse if all you're interested in is coming up with complete nonsense to get around facts of the lore you don't like.

You bashing someone's in universe ficticious space warfare tactic in particular is pretty hilarious, given that you in the very same post endorsed a plan created by in universe "armchair admirals" as being some type of be all end all strategy that everyone in setting is apparently retarded for not having considered (seeing as literally no one ever uses it). Contradictions like that are so perfectly ironic in how dumb they are that I can scarcely believe they aren't a deliberate attempt at trolling. There is literally so much volume of garbage, lack of comprehension and fecal brained nonsense in your posts that I can scarcely respond to every bit of it adequately without parsing every bit of it and delving into long essay length posts that take forever to construct.

If you are a troll, I have to applaud you. You're certainly entertaining and have a great sense of humor. If you're being serious here, though, I feel very, very sad for you

[BloodyMares]

 

Sorry to everyone who wanted to see me humiliate this guy again. I had some good jokes and everything, but I simply don't have the motivation to spend another hour of my life rewriting a bunch of meaningless crap to defeat someone with downie level reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, unless someone wants to pay me for it.

I'd pay you but I think you will be better off doing something else than wasting time responding to his continuous nonsense and not making any progress.

[Quarian Master Race]

At least I can see your justification for hating most toaster fanbois. Well, we aren't all that bad, right?

 

God what a horrid thread, my brain cells are packing their bags and taking shore leave as we speak.

Nah, actually I'd probably be a geth fangrill if it weren't for the quarians. I like both a lot more than those Council plebs and whatnot, but this guy is just silly.

It's really the worst thing on the internet. Well, other than the Andromeda section.

[Prince Enigmatic]

I'm not fan wanking. I like the quarians and have a particular interest in them in this setting, but acknowledge their deficiencies (such as small number of ground forces and low population in general), and use information provided by the lore to inform my arguments. You just make up random opinionated nonsense, for instance "teh qwerians have teh plan of a 5 year old" or "der fleet sux, geoff one is bettar", even though the game practically smacks you over the head with them being tactical/strategic and technological masterminds everywhere it describes them, and then gives their fleet nearly twice the War Assets of the geth one (780 maximum vs 455 maximum), and more than anyone else's. We can't actually have effective discourse if all you're interested in is coming up with complete nonsense to get around facts of the lore you don't like.

You bashing someone's in universe ficticious space warfare tactic in particular is pretty hilarious, given that you in the very same post endorsed a plan created by in universe "armchair admirals" as being some type of be all end all strategy that everyone in setting is apparently retarded for not having considered (seeing as literally no one ever uses it). Contradictions like that are so perfectly ironic in how dumb they are that I can scarcely believe they aren't a deliberate attempt at trolling. There is literally so much volume of garbage, lack of comprehension and fecal brained nonsense in your posts that I can scarcely respond to every bit of it adequately without parsing every bit of it and delving into long essay length posts that take forever to construct.

If you are a troll, I have to applaud you. You're certainly entertaining and have a great sense of humor. If you're being serious here, though, I feel very, very sad for you

 

It's rare here for someone to actually back up their arguments with facts, evidence and lore from the trilogy, to better inform and solidify there argument. Naturally, our opinions inform how we write and choose a side of an argument, but there is a definite sense of facts being favored over popular opinion with a lot of your posts, and its refreshing. Of course the cute "toasters" name for the geth does display which side of the river you firmly sit on, since naturally our opinions inform what we choose to argue, but with the amount of lore you know offhand and use to present your argument, never has it been done as well. 

 

I feel like I'm being indoctrinated reading your posts. I used to like the quarians and geth neutrally, not favouring one over the other, same with Tali and Legion. But now I can't help but see the geth differently after some of the reading here. I still like them, but what you've said about them is pretty darn accurate. 

[Monica21]

I feel like I'm being indoctrinated reading your posts. I used to like the quarians and geth neutrally, not favouring one over the other, same with Tali and Legion. But now I can't help but see the geth differently after some of the reading here. I still like them, but what you've said about them is pretty darn accurate.

No lie, it's because of reading QMR's posts that my next Shepard is going to be anti-AI. Well, as anti-AI as the game lets you be. I've always been nice to Legion. Always brokered peace except for the one time I deliberately wanted a low EMS ending. Always encouraged the relationship between EDI and Joker, and always talked to EDI like she was a real live girl. I'm interested to see how this next playthrough goes.

[Prince Enigmatic]

No lie, it's because of reading QMR's posts that my next Shepard is going to be anti-AI. Well, as anti-AI as the game lets you be. I've always been nice to Legion. Always brokered peace except for the one time I deliberately wanted a low EMS ending. Always encouraged the relationship between EDI and Joker, and always talked to EDI like she was a real live girl. I'm interested to see how this next playthrough goes.

 

Lol, I'm a sucker for EDI's character arc in ME3, and I like Legion, despite his clever manipulations and machinations of a paragon Shepard. I can maybe see me doing a run where Shepard doesn't trust Legion and the geth, but I could never be cruel to EDI. She's one of my favourite characters.

 

Then I am extremely biased towards certain voice actors, and Tricia Helfer could have voiced Kai Leng and I would have liked him.

[gothpunkboy89]

I'm not fan wanking. I like the quarians and have a particular interest in them in this setting, but acknowledge their deficiencies (such as small number of ground forces and low population in general), and use information provided by the lore to inform my arguments. You just make up random opinionated nonsense, for instance "teh qwerians have teh plan of a 5 year old" or "der fleet sux, geoff one is bettar", even though the game practically smacks you over the head with them being tactical/strategic and technological masterminds everywhere it describes them, and then gives their fleet nearly twice the War Assets of the geth one (780 maximum vs 455 maximum), and more than anyone else's. We can't actually have effective discourse if all you're interested in is coming up with complete nonsense to get around facts of the lore you don't like.

You bashing someone's in universe ficticious space warfare tactic in particular is pretty hilarious, given that you in the very same post endorsed a plan created by in universe "armchair admirals" as being some type of be all end all strategy that everyone in setting is apparently retarded for not having considered (seeing as literally no one ever uses it). Contradictions like that are so perfectly ironic in how dumb they are that I can scarcely believe they aren't a deliberate attempt at trolling. There is literally so much volume of garbage, lack of comprehension and fecal brained nonsense in your posts that I can scarcely respond to every bit of it adequately without parsing every bit of it and delving into long essay length posts that take forever to construct.

If you are a troll, I have to applaud you. You're certainly entertaining and have a great sense of humor. If you're being serious here, though, I feel very, very sad for you

 

You were wanking the Quarians so hard you would think they paid for a happy ending. It is a lore fact that the Quarian fleet at least the military wing of it would consist almost entire of ships that other races would decommission. Any actual military ships they have would still be left over from before the Morning War. Quarian's ability to work with tech is well known but nothing ever hints at them having a floating ship yard within the Flotilla allowing them to build brand new ships from scratch. If that did that there would be no reason for them to even bring the Civilian Fleet and particularly their live ships that are required for food. Both of which are not created for combat least not beyond fending off some pirates.  The Geth on the other hand do not have these limitations able to work not only Rannoch but other planets and asteroids in their terrirotry to build brand new ships that aren't 300 years old. On top of the fact since they lack organic bodies they can ignore many of the items needed by the Quarians to be kept alive allowing them to put thicker armor on the ships at the very least.  Allowing said ships to take more damage then the Quarian ones.

 

Please show how the War Assets directly links to fleet size? Normandy max asset equates to 185 on it's own and that is only 1 ship. Seriously 1 ship equal 23% of the Quarian's max War Asset. Krogans best case scenario gives ~ 825. Which is even greater then Quarians and they have no ships. Alliance Engineer Corps gives 290 best case set up. Mean while the Alliance 3rd Fleet only provides ~130. War Assets are arbitrary numbers assigned to groups. To really drive how arbitrary these numbers are the Batarian Fleet which was the fleet that took on the Reapers alone and without help till just about entire race was crush and or converted gives 155 which is even more then best case 3rd Fleet. Hell the Terminus Fleet also gives 200. Enthrallment Team gives 400 War Assets. Citadel Defense Force gives 217 best case. Seriously trying to equate War Assets to fleet size or strength is asinine because they are just random numbers assigned to a group.

 

Hiding behind a large celestial object isn't a master idea it is the same logic applied to a 4 year old playing hide and go seek with friends. In this case it is usually a tree or a car depending on were they are playing. No one uses it because A) the before mentioned safety switch and B )the continual loss of ships would be bad for said organic race using that set up. You brilliantly again ignore the reason why this would work for Reapers while it wouldn't work for anyone else. It is the ship equivalent of what Javik stated the Protheans did. Giving up planet after planet to let them regroup hurting them in the long run as they started to run out of planets to sacrifice and troops to fight the Reaper forces. The entire Reaper plan for each harvest is to turn the various race's own strengths against them. It is why they transform the races into husks, cannibals and banshees rather then form and maintain their own army. Why they throw wave after wave of cannon fodder at the various organic races till they fall.

 

If the Reapers wanted the Quarians dead as badly as you make it out to be the loss of a dozen or more Geth frigates or even cruisers would be sacrificed without a moment's hesitation. Take out their live ships and the Quarians can no longer produce food to feed the fleets. Then all that they would need to do is play the waiting game. Since their dietary needs makes them unable to ingest food of any other race but the Turians and the Turians are currently neck deep in trying to keep their own home planet and colonies from being wipe out.

 

Based on your reply I really doubt your post got deleted. You just don't seem to have an acutal argument because you keep shifting the goal post here. I state rather true that hiding behind the sun isn't a military genius idea it is something any half with could come up with. Because you are continually trying to push how smart and how good they are. You try twist it to teh qwerians have teh plan of a 5 year old. I mention rightly those ships used or at least shown in the Heavy Fleet are of Quarian Design. Those ships would be centuries old. The wear and tear on them would be much greater then a Geth ship of the same class that is only 50 years old.  You try and turn that into der fleet sux, geoff one is bettar. You then try to use the War Assets which are arbitrary numbers applied to claim it some how shows one is better then the other. Ignoring the fact that if both Geth and Quarian are saved the Quarians do nothing but run supplies and troop while the Geth do all the Reaper fighting.

 

So please do try to troll better if that is what you are actually doing. There are far better ones then you on these forums already and you really need to up your game.

 

Fired up my game just to check War Assets Haven't completed Priority Thessia yet but my War Assets sit as such:

Alien: 1250

Alliance 3903

Asari: 690

Curcible: 610

Ex-Cerberus: 235

Krogan: 895

Geth: 515

Salarian: 153

Turian: 648

Quarian 825

 

If War Asset somehow equates to fleet capability then the Asari and Turians have less effective military then Quarian and Humans are just able to kill everything with that amazing 3903 war asset.

Modifié par gothpunkboy89, 16 mai 2016 - 03:08 .

[Monica21]

Lol, I'm a sucker for EDI's character arc in ME3, and I like Legion, despite his clever manipulations and machinations of a paragon Shepard. I can maybe see me doing a run where Shepard doesn't trust Legion and the geth, but I could never be cruel to EDI. She's one of my favourite characters.
 
Then I am extremely biased towards certain voice actors, and Tricia Helfer could have voiced Kai Leng and I would have liked him.

I like these characters too, but I want to see how such a Shepard would play out. And I can easily see a Shepard like this existing.

[Prince Enigmatic]

<snip>

 

[gothpunkboy89]

Nice song don't see the point though.

[Monica21]

Nice song don't see the point though.

Unsurprising, but I still laughed.