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[BloodyMares]

No rage; chose Synthesis and the green ftw. Give peas a chance

There is a difference between giving peace a chance and enforcing it.

[themikefest]

No rage; chose Synthesis and the green ftw.

No rage. Choose destroy and the red ftw. excellent
 

Give peas a chance

What about string beans? Don't they deserve a chance? hahahahaha

[gothpunkboy89]

Oh no, human spies won´t work on the Reapers sayeth the Gothpunk missing the point. Intel is crucial in warfare, no matte rhow you obtain it. You have to modify your approach ofc when you are dealing with a fleet of space cuttlefish.

 

Your analogy is rather simple. War is not a fistfight. And yeah sure, every officer dropped any idea of strategy as soon as the shooting started.

 

Oh I didn't miss any point. You missed the point by a mile.

 

Finding out about the hints of a higher power controlling the Reapers is important. But that intel doesn't matter because the person pulling the strings isn't a priority. The priority is stopping the Reapers. The very beings that are currently destroying Fleets and killing millions every day. The fist fight example might be a bit simplifed but rather well sums up what is going on.

 

The Reapers are currently engaging all races on all worlds slowly but surely pushing every race back step by step. Planet by planet. The main priority is to eliminate the Reapers if not at least put them in a position were the various races of the galaxy can at least win and push them back and keep them from a few Key areas. That is why when Vendetta mentions a higher power controlling the Reapers Shepard and group don't react that strongly to it. It is new information but is a secondary priority over dealing with the immediate problem of the Reapers forcibly taking one planet after the other from the various races of the Galaxy.

[Natureguy85]

No rage; chose Synthesis and the green ftw. Give peas a chance

If i didn't know you were all in on Synthesis, I'd have thought this was a funny "green" joke.

[straykat]

I don't see anything peaceful about genetically invading everyone's bodies, because "I know better". I mean, Destroy gets a bad rap for being hostile or crass, but I think Control and Synthesis are just as brutal, if not moreso. Both of them only see through Shepard's/the Player's eyes and come off incredibly self-centered.

[KaiserShep]

Oh I didn't miss any point. You missed the point by a mile.

 

Finding out about the hints of a higher power controlling the Reapers is important. But that intel doesn't matter because the person pulling the strings isn't a priority. The priority is stopping the Reapers. The very beings that are currently destroying Fleets and killing millions every day. The fist fight example might be a bit simplifed but rather well sums up what is going on.

 

The Reapers are currently engaging all races on all worlds slowly but surely pushing every race back step by step. Planet by planet. The main priority is to eliminate the Reapers if not at least put them in a position were the various races of the galaxy can at least win and push them back and keep them from a few Key areas. That is why when Vendetta mentions a higher power controlling the Reapers Shepard and group don't react that strongly to it. It is new information but is a secondary priority over dealing with the immediate problem of the Reapers forcibly taking one planet after the other from the various races of the Galaxy.

 

I don't think that this is right at all. 

 

The only reason such a person or thing wouldn't be a priority is because there's no meaningful information on what or where this thing might be. Vendetta doesn't actually give us any real information, but rather speculation. However, if someone told Shepard exactly what was controlling the reapers, and where you could find it, you would be certain that Shepard & co. wouldn't just shrug that off. Priority #1 would be to track this thing down and neutralize it with extreme prejudice, because if it's indeed pulling the strings, then it is in no way, shape or form a secondary concern, because its destruction has the potential to leave the reaper fleet disoriented, or possibly even disarmed and left for easy pickings, similar to what happened to Sovereign. 

[Natureguy85]

Let us not also forget that the Reapers currently in the game have the entire galaxy under siege. Every ounce of military effort is being directed simply to delay their advances as much as possible. Since the Reapers are not tied to the whole cliche of destroy the central computer and all other things linked to it dies as well. Their main priority be it a ensign or and Admiral of the Fleet. Stopping the Reapers takes first priority because they are the ones doing the killing. Finding this guiding intelligence that direct the Reapers is second priory after the Reapers have been dealt with.

How do they know that? How do they know taking out the Intelligence wouldn't kill all the Reapers? Maybe it would make them less effective or they'd fight each other, like StarCraft's Zerg after their Cerebrate is killed. This is totally new information to them. Shouldn't the characters at least talk about it more? Shouldn't a team look into it? Remember, the premise is that they can't beat the Reapers in a conventional war. Why bet everything on the Crucible?

Finding out about the hints of a higher power controlling the Reapers is important. But that intel doesn't matter because the person pulling the strings isn't a priority. The priority is stopping the Reapers. The very beings that are currently destroying Fleets and killing millions every day. The fist fight example might be a bit simplifed but rather well sums up what is going on.

The Reapers are currently engaging all races on all worlds slowly but surely pushing every race back step by step. Planet by planet. The main priority is to eliminate the Reapers if not at least put them in a position were the various races of the galaxy can at least win and push them back and keep them from a few Key areas. That is why when Vendetta mentions a higher power controlling the Reapers Shepard and group don't react that strongly to it. It is new information but is a secondary priority over dealing with the immediate problem of the Reapers forcibly taking one planet after the other from the various races of the Galaxy.

So the information is important even though nobody cares at any point on the story. Got it. The fact that it changes nothing and nobody cares tells you it's not important. There's no talk of dealing with it later. Why not have a character say what you're saying to show they care? Hey, put this earlier and we could have player choice on looking for Crucible info or leader info.

[Dantriges]

Yeah you know, the priority is to push back the Reapers, so they stomp you slightly slower with their mindboggling and overwhelming numbers. Going for the C&C or finding another way to defeat them, makes no sense of course.  

 

Lemme see if I can make one of these funny WW2 analogies as well. When the poles gave the brits their data about Enigma encryption the brits said "no thanks, we need to build better guns, your keys to Nazi communications are of no use."

[straykat]

Yeah you know, the priority is to push back the Reapers, so they stomp you slightly slower with their mindboggling and overwhelming numbers. Going for the C&C or finding another way to defeat them, makes no sense of course.

 

Lemme see if I can make one of these funny WW2 analogies as well. When the poles gave the brits their data about Enigma encryption the brits said "no thanks, we need to build better guns, your keys to Nazi communications are of no use."

 

Err... I'm not sure of all of the details, but they did make use of them. They just didn't take full advantage because it'd give away the fact that they cracked Enigma... so they waited.

[Dantriges]

Yes, but we were talking about obtaining the intel at all, not how you use it for maximum advantage. The whole thing about how the allies used the intel they got from this source and why and when is more the size of a book, not a forum post.

[Elhanan]

I don't see anything peaceful about genetically invading everyone's bodies, because "I know better". I mean, Destroy gets a bad rap for being hostile or crass, but I think Control and Synthesis are just as brutal, if not moreso. Both of them only see through Shepard's/the Player's eyes and come off incredibly self-centered.

As opposed to choosing the death of an entire type of life; Synthetics. While such life may only exist in Sci-Fi, it is in this setting that we make such a choice. All choices require Shepard to select for everyone and every form of Galactic life.

[BloodyMares]

As opposed to choosing the death of an entire type of life; Synthetics. While such life may only exist in Sci-Fi, it is in this setting that we make such a choice. All choices require Shepard to select for everyone and every form of Galactic life.

"I'd rather die than live like that" - Shepard.

[Elhanan]

"I'd rather die than live like that" - Shepard.

"I'd rather other's live than die" - Shepard

[themikefest]

"I'd rather other's live than die" - Shepard

"I'd rather live than die" - themikefest.

 

shoot the tube

[Elhanan]

"I'd rather live than die" - themikefest.
 
shoot the tube

"I would rather die so that other's can live" - Shepard, and those signing up for police, fire fighters, and the military.

"Of course, this ain't Plan A"- Capt Mal Reynolds

[BloodyMares]

"I'd rather other's live than die" - Shepard

"Better to die than to live like this." - Renegade Shepard before shooting mindless salarians. Synthesis is exactly this. Everyone is brainwashed to live a "happy" life. What's the point of such a life when you're not acting on your own?

[straykat]

"Better to die than to live like this." - Renegade Shepard before shooting mindless salarians. Synthesis is exactly this. Everyone is brainwashed to live a "happy" life. What's the point of such a life when you're not acting on your own?

 

Like I said, it's self-centered.

 

OTOH, I partly blame the games too. It has a way convincing people that Shepard really is "the Shepard". Like when Garrus calls you a Saint after Rannoch if you saved the Geth and Quarians... or the numerous times characters treat you as some godsend. Liara kind of does it implicitly all the time, ever since ME1. There's only a handful of companions who never do that.

 

So basically, by the time the story is over, you very well may have fallen into this belief yourself, as a player. Then any choice seems "right" to you... because your ego has been fed for 100 hours straight.

[Elhanan]

"Better to die than to live like this." - Renegade Shepard before shooting mindless salarians. Synthesis is exactly this. Everyone is brainwashed to live a "happy" life. What's the point of such a life when you're not acting on your own?

One is acting on their own, and is aware of the needs and goals of both Organic and Synthetic life. No one is brainwashed; just enlightened.

[dorktainian]

One is acting on their own, and is aware of the needs and goals of both Organic and Synthetic life. No one is brainwashed; just enlightened.

 

everything is changed at the molecular level to play happy campers with the huge intergalactic killing machines.  Anyone with a brain that has just gone through the reaper war would be appauled at the thought.  The only thing systhesis can benefit is the reapers themselves because it passifies the population and removes any potential threat.  Free will and determination of thought should not be taken for granted, and synthesis removes all those things....... in a nice shade of green.

 

"He who lives as children live — who does not struggle for his bread and does not believe that his actions possess any ultimate significance — remains childlike."

Friedrich Nietzsche

[Elhanan]

everything is changed at the molecular level to play happy campers with the huge intergalactic killing machines.  Anyone with a brain that has just gone through the reaper war would be appauled at the thought.  The only thing systhesis can benefit is the reapers themselves because it passifies the population and removes any potential threat.  Free will and determination of thought should not be taken for granted, and synthesis removes all those things....... in a nice shade of green.

And the Reapers finally understand the complexity of Organic life, and cease killing. The stored knowledge of past civilizations is now a resource that aids all, the Krogan now have the knowledge and insight to control their population expansion, free will still exists, insight to the both organic and synthetic life is gained, and more.

[Natureguy85]

Smiles painted on the soul.

[straykat]

And the Reapers finally understand the complexity of Organic life, and cease killing. The stored knowledge of past civilizations is now a resource that aids all, the Krogan now have the knowledge and insight to control their population expansion, free will still exists, insight to the both organic and synthetic life is gained, and more.

 

Free will doesn't exist. You basically just forced an enema on everyone. Or spit in their mouth. And shoved a pie down their throats. Take your pick

[themikefest]

One is acting on their own, and is aware of the needs and goals of both Organic and Synthetic life. No one is brainwashed; just enlightened.

In another thread I posted that in the original and extended cut it shows the soldiers with their arms in the air cheering in the control and destroy ending, but not in synthesis. Any idea why? Did the green take away any emotion to express happiness? Or is it because they realized they were changed to something they're not happy about?

[straykat]

They probably didn't even know what happened to them. It's like one of those things they only realize a week later....

 

I feel like fitting in a Bill Cosby joke, but I'll refrain.

[Elhanan]

In another thread I posted that in the original and extended cut it shows the soldiers with their arms in the air cheering in the control and destroy ending, but not in synthesis. Any idea why? Did the green take away any emotion to express happiness? Or is it because they realized they were changed to something they're not happy about?

So where are the Synthetics in those cheer pics? EDI?

Yep; wiping out entire races is certainly something to be happy about....