Because weapons of mass destruction tend to have high collateral damage. Also....live as a human without my badass reaper tech upgrades vs live forever is immortal machine emperor of space.
It's like a choice between being batman or doctor manhattan.
So where are the Synthetics in those cheer pics? EDI?
I had the quarians destroy them over Rannoch. With the edi thing, its on the Normandy, if control is chosen
Yep; wiping out entire races is certainly something to be happy about....
In control that doesn't happen. Nor does that happen in destroy. What race? Is it the Daytona 500? Or do you mean species? Either way, no species is wiped out
I had the quarians destroy them over Rannoch. With the edi thing, its on the Normandy, if control is chosen
In control that doesn't happen. Nor does that happen in destroy. What race? Is it the Daytona 500? Or do you mean species? Either way, no species is wiped out
In Destroy, all Synthetic life is terminated.
Ok. I don't see a problem
Well, until a generation passes, and the whole thing starts up gain.
If it does, let the galaxy deal with it. Don't need the reapers for that.
Ok. I don't see a problem
If it does, let the galaxy deal with it. Don't need the reapers for that.
How do they know that? How do they know taking out the Intelligence wouldn't kill all the Reapers? Maybe it would make them less effective or they'd fight each other, like StarCraft's Zerg after their Cerebrate is killed. This is totally new information to them. Shouldn't the characters at least talk about it more? Shouldn't a team look into it? Remember, the premise is that they can't beat the Reapers in a conventional war. Why bet everything on the Crucible?
So the information is important even though nobody cares at any point on the story. Got it. The fact that it changes nothing and nobody cares tells you it's not important. There's no talk of dealing with it later. Why not have a character say what you're saying to show they care? Hey, put this earlier and we could have player choice on looking for Crucible info or leader info.
Because Sovereign makes it very clear that each Reaper is an Island unto it self. If they can't beat the Reapers in conventional War why do you think going after the Guiding Intelligence would help? Best case scenario when it is under attack it summons every Reaper to defend it. Resulting in a conventional War that they would lose. Crucible goes after the intelligence's tools. Effectively rendering it unable to fight back for the time.
Or again less a priority because they have to deal with Reapers first. Or lets put this another way if you are playing a game lets say Dark Souls and one boss is currently beating you without you dealing any damage to them over and over again. You do not focus on the final boss. You focus on the boss currently curb stomping you into oblivion.
Or if your in WW2 during D Day you don't worry about Hitler's house you worry about the Tanks and fortified machine gunner nests facing you as you attempt to land on the Beach. Then only after those have been taken care of and a forward base of operation has been established and fortified so you can continue to land troops and supplies from a waiting boats without worry about the entire operation being destroyed by a few well aimed artillery strikes. Then you worry about Berlin.
In Destroy, all Synthetic life is terminated.
I agree. THus why I don't pick it.
Well, until a generation passes, and the whole thing starts up gain.
This I do not agree. We have no way of knowing the future.
I agree. THus why I don't pick it.
This I do not agree. We have no way of knowing the future.
We do; is mentioned by the Catalyst. Whether one believes it or not is another matter.
The Catalyst is not omniscient. It can't cut open a chicken husk and examine it's entrails wires . It can't know the future.
The Catalyst is not omniscient. It can't cut open a chicken husk and examine it's
entrailswires . It can't know the future.
The perfect ending would have Shepard convincing the Intelligence about THEIR solution to the Intelligence's question - is it possible to avoid every advanced organic civilization destroying itself in a war against synthetic life forms? - and making him voluntarily destroy the Reapers so as to give the galaxy a chance to break its own natural cycle of war between organics and synthetics.
And I think this ending could be unlocked if you managed to break a truce between the quarians and the geth. The reason is because the geth achieve what every AI always wanted, an organic-like intelligence, something the Intelligence tells you is only possible through Synthesis, and because the geth actively help the quarians overcome their health related problems, creating a perfect balance between organics and synthetics. Shepard could use the example of how the geth-quarian society started off on the right foot to convince Star Child a harmonious coexistence is possible.
Because Sovereign makes it very clear that each Reaper is an Island unto it self. If they can't beat the Reapers in conventional War why do you think going after the Guiding Intelligence would help? Best case scenario when it is under attack it summons every Reaper to defend it. Resulting in a conventional War that they would lose. Crucible goes after the intelligence's tools. Effectively rendering it unable to fight back for the time.
At the time we spoke to Sovereign we didn't know about the guiding intelligence at all. They don't know exactly what Sovereign meant. We also know that he was exaggerating when he talked of having no beginning, so why might he not be exaggerating or misleading with that statement?
The fact that they can't beat the Reapers in a conventional war is exactly why they should go after whatever is controlling or leading them. It might be their only chance for all they know. Why put all their eggs in the Crucible basket considering they don't know what it is or what it does and don't have a necessary piece?
Or again less a priority because they have to deal with Reapers first. Or lets put this another way if you are playing a game lets say Dark Souls and one boss is currently beating you without you dealing any damage to them over and over again. You do not focus on the final boss. You focus on the boss currently curb stomping you into oblivion.
Or if your in WW2 during D Day you don't worry about Hitler's house you worry about the Tanks and fortified machine gunner nests facing you as you attempt to land on the Beach. Then only after those have been taken care of and a forward base of operation has been established and fortified so you can continue to land troops and supplies from a waiting boats without worry about the entire operation being destroyed by a few well aimed artillery strikes. Then you worry about Berlin.
If I'm getting beaten by that boss so badly, but could leave and beat the final boss, therefore not needing to fight the boss that's beating me, then sure I would.
D-Day was just one operation and cost thousands of lives. If they could have taken out Hitler's house and made the D-Day invasions unnecessary, then sure they would have. It wasn't that the beaches were a more pressing concern, it's that taking them was necessary to strike the interior of Europe.
As of Leviathan, the Alliance is shown to be using resources for things other than shooting the Reapers with guns or building the Crucible.
Or if your in WW2 during D Day you don't worry about Hitler's house you worry about the Tanks and fortified machine gunner nests facing you as you attempt to land on the Beach. Then only after those have been taken care of and a forward base of operation has been established and fortified so you can continue to land troops and supplies from a waiting boats without worry about the entire operation being destroyed by a few well aimed artillery strikes. Then you worry about Berlin.
If you're a private soldier that's what you need to be concerned about. If you're a general you need to have a rather better strategy than "Right, we'll attack this, no idea what we'll do next." Every move part of a larger plan.
And the Reapers finally understand the complexity of Organic life, and cease killing. The stored knowledge of past civilizations is now a resource that aids all, the Krogan now have the knowledge and insight to control their population expansion, free will still exists, insight to the both organic and synthetic life is gained, and more.
no such thing. any future with the reapers in it is doomed.
no such thing. any future with the reapers in it is doomed.
Believe I shall accept the gameplay version over this opinion. Synthesis ftw.
I will accept the gameplay version of destroy over the gameplay version of the green. destroy ftw
I will accept the gameplay version of destroy over the gameplay version of the green. destroy ftw
Acceptable, as I do not wish to be alive and responsible for the deaths of so many.
I am alive and not responsible for any death.
I am alive and not responsible for any death.
You may be, but your Shepard most certainly is.
Nope. She's not responsible for any death.
But it can extrapolate based on previous collected data. However, as is the case with the harvests, the computations may not have all the needed data, and the results may be incorrect. In any event, Synthesis is a better call for me than Destroy or Control.
Dorian: "He taught me to hate blood magic. 'The resort of the weak mind.' Those are his words. But what was the first thing you did when your precious heir refused to play pretend for the rest of his life? You tried to change me!"
Magister Pavus: "I only wanted what was best for you."
Dorian: "You wanted the best for you! For your *expletive* legacy! Anything for that!"
I refuse to go along with the Reapers' legacy.
Dorian: "He taught me to hate blood magic. 'The resort of the weak mind.' Those are his words. But what was the first thing you did when your precious heir refused to play pretend for the rest of his life? You tried to change me!"
Magister Pavus: "I only wanted what was best for you."
Dorian: "You wanted the best for you! For your *expletive* legacy! Anything for that!"
I refuse to go along with the Reapers' legacy.
Is this not putting abstract principles ahead of actual lives? Also, your analogy has nothing to do with anything.
Believe I shall accept the gameplay version over this opinion. Synthesis ftw.
Yeah because they whitewashed away how horrible this choice is in order to make it the good ending. You bought into that but others of us don't.
In Destroy, all Synthetic life is terminated. Well, until a generation passes, and the whole thing starts up gain.
Well, the last time it started, it was 300 years of relative peace, since the geth never bothered to branch out and try to consume any significant portion of the galaxy, at least not until Sovereign interfered and decided to gather a splinter faction within their group. Of course, it's altogether possible that nothing equal or greater than this happens for hundreds of years, and possible still that if it did start up again, the synthetics are simply wiped out, much like the rachni nearly were, and the galaxy at large just keeps on keeping on.
In any case, my issue is more with the toll this takes on the narrative more than anything. The idea that every living thing in existence needs to be forcibly altered to flourish just seems like a horrid load of hogwash. There's just no way I can let that sort of thing cap off the journey I'd like for my Shepard. I mean, the fact that my Shepard can be good friends with EDI and be understanding of the geth makes a total disconnect. Is she so unique in all the universe that absolutely no one else is physically capable of "understanding" synthetics?
Well, the last time it started, it was 300 years of relative peace, since the geth never bothered to branch out and try to consume any significant portion of the galaxy, at least not until Sovereign interfered and decided to gather a splinter faction within their group. Of course, it's altogether possible that nothing equal or greater than this happens for hundreds of years, and possible still that if it did start up again, the synthetics are simply wiped out, much like the rachni nearly were, and the galaxy at large just keeps on keeping on.
In any case, my issue is more with the toll this takes on the narrative more than anything. The idea that every living thing in existence needs to be forcibly altered to flourish just seems like a horrid load of hogwash. There's just no way I can let that sort of thing cap off the journey I'd like for my Shepard. I mean, the fact that my Shepard can be good friends with EDI and be understanding of the geth makes a total disconnect. Is she so unique in all the universe that absolutely no one else is physically capable of "understanding" synthetics?
You're spot on but more importantly to me, through Synthesis "the line between Organic and Synthetic disappears," where we'd been told that they are fine and valuable in the way they already were. Differences were ok and even to be appreciated, not eliminated.
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