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gothpunkboy89

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If people are not ready for a utopia, they will turn it into a dystopia. Google "Universe 25" and how it ended.

 

Started with 4 breeding pairs. That then inbreed till there were over 2,000 mine. And any wonder behavioral problems developed? There is a reason why nature inherently limits inbreeding by making it seem less then enjoyable. Only done by animals when there is no other option open. 

 

If your only counter is super inbred mince develop problems associated with inbreeding mean paradise can't happen you don't have much ground to stand on.

 

Oh and apparently they were over crowded as well. So over crowded super inbred mice developed behavioral problems. What a shocker


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I don't know why people think evolution and natural selection is so great. Its constantly introducing random defects, letting people die, or just outright killing them to select survivors. That's, like, SO much better than artificial controls.
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Started with 4 breeding pairs. That then inbreed till there were over 2,000 mine. And any wonder behavioral problems developed? There is a reason why nature inherently limits inbreeding by making it seem less then enjoyable. Only done by animals when there is no other option open. 

 

If your only counter is super inbred mince develop problems associated with inbreeding mean paradise can't happen you don't have much ground to stand on.

 

Oh and apparently they were over crowded as well. So over crowded super inbred mice developed behavioral problems. What a shocker

My point is that mice were given that paradise with outside help (like Synthesis is given with the Shepard and Crucible's help) and therefore couldn't adapt to these new conditions. Of course they are not as smart as humans and can't plan ahead but there are still people out there who can't plan ahead and suck at adapting. Paradise requires a complete re-education of everyone and it is a very long process. How would that work in Synthesis? If it made everyone understand all that right when the wave hit them then I'd say their brain was altered.



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The Catalyst may survive, but it has achieved it's purpose. It, the Reapers, and all other Synthetic life are now at peace with organics in this Galaxy. Not enslavement at all; free willed Synthesized life forms working in unison for a future peace.



The people who were used to make the Reapers were subjected to it involuntarily. Each Reaper's "mind" is formed from a combination of A.I. processes and the millions of organic minds used to create it, all bound into a kind of gestalt intelligence.

That is slavery, any way you slice it, as the people used to create the Reapers were stripped off their free will and individuality, each bound to millions of other victims and A.I. programming to form a single Reaper's brain. Each Reaper is in turn bound to every other Reaper, and to the Catalyst in a master-slave relationship.

There's nothing to indicate the shackles that bind Reapers to the Catalyst are removed in the aftermath of Synthesis. Can that even be done? The Catalyst makes it clear that he and the Reapers are not entirely separate entities, as their minds are all linked similar to the Geth. Even if it could, it would not change that each individual person used to make a Reaper was still bound to millions of other organic minds and an artificial intelligence to create a single Reaper hive mind. It's horrific, and Synthesis allows it to continue.

Where is it shown that the catalyst wants the reaper survival ?

The epilogue for Synthesis where the Reapers are explicitly shown to be very much alive and kicking.
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I don't know why people think evolution and natural selection is so great. Its constantly introducing random defects, letting people die, or just outright killing them to select survivors. That's, like, SO much better than artificial controls.

 

To me evolution isn't something to be liked or disliked. It is only a process by which life has coped with changing environments and ever-diminishing resources: one could argue that synthesis is a form of evolution because one is changing itself to adapt

 

Nature does not actively "select" survivors, it is just that the organisms who happened to have certain hereditary traits through mutation helped them adapt better to the current environment than others

 

I do hope that by Shepard's time humans have accumulated sufficient knowledge regarding evolutionary biology and genetics before attempting any artificial controls, as we are essentially trying to vanquish billions of years of trial and error with human intelligence


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The Catalyst may survive, but it has achieved it's purpose. It, the Reapers, and all other Synthetic life are now at peace with organics in this Galaxy. Not enslavement at all; free willed Synthesized life forms working in unison for a future peace.

It achieved its purpose because Commander dumba** forced the galaxy to have the green implanted in them

 

The Commander Shepard I know, used the handgun that is in her/his right hand.  The galaxy now has a future free from having the thing and its toys. Whatever problems arise in the future, the galaxy can take care of it.



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It achieved its purpose because Commander dumba** forced the galaxy to have the green implanted in them
 
The Commander Shepard I know, used the handgun that is in her/his right hand.  The galaxy now has a future free from having the thing and its toys. Whatever problems arise in the future, the galaxy can take care of it.


Yep; get that in your game, Commander Shepard does what is best for themselves. In my game, try and do what is best for everyone.

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Yep; get that in your game, Commander Shepard does what is best for themselves. In my game, try and do what is best for everyone.

What's best for everyone or what you and the Catalyst think that's best for everyone?


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What's best for everyone or what you and the Catalyst think that's best for everyone?


What is best for all life; not only organics.

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What is best for all life; not only organics.


Submission preferable to extinction.

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It can be. If your options are getting chucked onto the slave ship bound for America or dying right there in Africa, you're better off getting on the boat.

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gothpunkboy89

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My point is that mice were given that paradise with outside help (like Synthesis is given with the Shepard and Crucible's help) and therefore couldn't adapt to these new conditions. Of course they are not as smart as humans and can't plan ahead but there are still people out there who can't plan ahead and suck at adapting. Paradise requires a complete re-education of everyone and it is a very long process. How would that work in Synthesis? If it made everyone understand all that right when the wave hit them then I'd say their brain was altered.

 

But it wasn't paradise it was a large box that they were in. They could not expand or grow to accommodate for growing population. They also did not have sufficient genetic variation to maintain a healthy population for any extended period of time.  If you consider that paradise then you are truly one sick SoB.



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It can be. If your options are getting chucked onto the slave ship bound for America or dying right there in Africa, you're better off getting on the boat.

 

That depends on one's point of view. It also doesn't necessarily matter when we're discussing themes.



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But it wasn't paradise it was a large box that they were in. They could not expand or grow to accommodate for growing population. They also did not have sufficient genetic variation to maintain a healthy population for any extended period of time.  If you consider that paradise then you are truly one sick SoB.

It was a paradise in a sense that all their needs were satisfied and they didn't need to struggle for survival, everything was given to them. And Synthesis is different how exactly?



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And what fish hook could exist? That it will take over your mind and force you to not fight with each other and live in a galaxy with no conflict because conflict serves no logical purpose. Isn't living in a utopia were no one suffers, everyone has enough and there is no crueity all watched over by an all powerful being who enforces it's rules with being who have powers beyond our ability. Sounds like the basis of what christians consider heaven.

 

Well, if it means anything, the basis of what one might consider heaven would probably only really work with mass lobotomies and sustained dosage of powerful sedatives. 



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I don't know why people think evolution and natural selection is so great. Its constantly introducing random defects, letting people die, or just outright killing them to select survivors. That's, like, SO much better than artificial controls.

 

 

Yeah, mother nature is basically an extreme school teacher that's constantly giving us pop quizzes, and snuffs anyone who doesn't quite make the grade. Still, Synthesis remains a tub of krogan quad sweat. 



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It was a paradise in a sense that all their needs were satisfied and they didn't need to struggle for survival, everything was given to them. And Synthesis is different how exactly?

 

Because we have the literal entire galaxy to develop. The Genetic diversity of each race is still in tact ensuring negative recessive traits do not become dominate ones due to lack of new genetic material being injected in.

 

We also have the capability for a higher degree of thought and reason. We can see and plan for future events including problems like over crowding and assisting people who develop mental disorders.  In fact ME 1 you can help a woman and her brother in law decide if her unborn child should under go gene therapy to prevent the unknown genetic heart problem from effecting the child.



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It can be. If your options are getting chucked onto the slave ship bound for America or dying right there in Africa, you're better off getting on the boat.

Neither are what I'd call a "good" ending for a five year, three game story with over a thousand choices shaping it.



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We also have the capability for a higher degree of thought and reason. We can see and plan for future events including problems like over crowding and assisting people who develop mental disorders.  In fact ME 1 you can help a woman and her brother in law decide if her unborn child should under go gene therapy to prevent the unknown genetic heart problem from effecting the child.

Gee , how did Shepard manage that without Synthesis?   <_<



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Neither are what I'd call a "good" ending for a five year, three game story with over a thousand choices shaping it.


Dunno; lot can happen in 5 yrs with different choices. For one, we can now have a lasting peace instead of choosing he annihilation of an entire species and life form.

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Dunno; lot can happen in 5 yrs with different choices. For one, we can now have a lasting peace instead of choosing he annihilation of an entire species and life form.

Only if you submit to the Reapers.  If that's how you define "peace"



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Only if you submit to the Reapers.  If that's how you define "peace"


No submission; only allowing both sides to cease killing each other. And the aftermath illustrates that both sides cooperate with each other towards a mutual future in peace.

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No submission; only allowing both sides to cease killing each other. And the aftermath illustrates that both sides cooperate with each other towards a mutual future in peace.

Yes, submission.  You must either allow the Reapers to rule over all other races for all eternity, or allow the genetic modification of all life to fit into the Aryan Reaper "ideal" of what constitutes a superior form of life



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In fact ME 1 you can help a woman and her brother in law decide if her unborn child should under go gene therapy to prevent the unknown genetic heart problem from effecting the child.

And the option to let her decide for herself was there for a reason. Freedom of choice should not be violated, even if consequences would be for the greater good.


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Gee , how did Shepard manage that without Synthesis?   <_<

 

Hey I'm not the one trying to argue similarities between Synthesis an an experiment with inbred mince in a large cage.