Well, let's not go too far. BPP Tsol is a sight to behold, and almost every bit as powerful as the hurricane Tsol. The problem of that gun is that it needs what pretty much only 2 characters in the game have. 6 tops.
It's not even close to be honest, the Tsol is deadly with the Hurricane but mediocre at best with the BPP, which is the reason I guess that I so far haven't seen a single other player using it.
It's not even close to be honest, the Tsol is deadly with the Hurricane but mediocre at best with the BPP, which is the reason I guess that I so far haven't seen a single other player using it.
I don't know about you, but that definitely doesn't look "mediocre" to me. It's every bit as good as the hurricane on the Tsol.
The reason why you never see anyone using it is the same reason why you never see anyone use the hurricane Tsol: pugs are like Jon snow. They don't know anything
The reason why you don't see bsners using it is that the hurricane is much easier to use and performs in just about the same way, so why bother.
Deerber, I noticed you have never used the Blood Pack Punisher before. ever.
I prefer the BPP on the T-Sent ...and I actually enjoy it on the TGI..Pugs loose their minds when I come into a lobby with that combo
also..LOL Why have I never used Marksman with the BPP? TSol Hurricane is one of my favorite setups
Deerber, I noticed you have never used the Blood Pack Punisher before. ever.
Have you also read my last sentence?
I did notice. I was curious as to what your basis for a comparison between the 2 weapons is, since you have never even tried the BPP once. I see people using the BPP all the time in Pugs. I use both weapons all the time. I see more BSNr's using the CSMG more frequently than the Hurricane. I was wondering how would you know that the weapons perform almost exactly the same if you have never used one of them before?
I did notice. I was curious as to what your basis for a comparison between the 2 weapons is, since you have never even tried the BPP once. I see people using the BPP all the time in Pugs. I use both weapons all the time. I see more BSNr's using the CSMG more frequently than the Hurricane. I was wondering how would you know that the weapons perform almost exactly the same if you have never used one of them before?
I... Have eyes, a brain, and video evidence?
Just because I watch an NBA game doesn't make me qualified to play in / or coach it.
My view comes from experience with the weapon not watching someone else use it or hear about it from another source.
Bateman says he didn't like the performance of the BPP on the TSol based on his experience...and actually because of him suggesting that combo, I'm going to give it a shot & see for myself what the difference is in about an hour
^^ Also, HEY Bateman
what type of build were ya runnin?..were ya goin pure Marksman for most of the match?
I just came back from trying out the T-Sol BPP Marksman build ...mother of god... was vs Collectors on White / Gold..it played alot like the above video...was amazing....1 cast of Markman took out 1 Scion like it was on bronze..took 2 casts of Marksman to take down a Praetorian...& this was with quite a bit of distance between us...Like when you go down the middle stairs to the left, down those stairs and you see a big spawn to the left..by the ladder near the LZ..took em down fast...mooks..were for some reason more difficult..weird, I know right?..they needed to get staggered then BPP'd 2death..I went with proxy..shoulda gone with concussive shot...I do recommend you guys give it a shot...I compare it to using the BPP on the TSent....the bullet spread on the BPP..was sporatic..just all over the place.. ..even with the stability mod on the weapon and the Turian stability passives...but on the the TSol w Marksman..the bullet spread on it was dead on center. I really think you guys should give it a shot.
Just because I watch an NBA game doesn't make me qualified to play in / or coach it.
My view comes from experience with the weapon not watching someone else use it or hear about it from another source.
Bateman says he didn't like the performance of the BPP on the TSol based on his experience...and actually because of him suggesting that combo, I'm going to give it a shot & see for myself what the difference is in about an hour
^^ Also, HEY Bateman
what type of build were ya runnin?..were ya goin pure Marksman for most of the match?
^^^^ The horror in-deed. I don't play Platinum..I never have / I never will... I am one of those in the minority that never liked the mixing of factions..I do recognize the difference in shields / barriers & health between Gold & Platinum..& I applaud you for your good service, kind sir.
Weird part is, I am watching American Psycho as I am typing this..
Just because I watch an NBA game doesn't make me qualified to play in / or coach it.
The benchmark I'm always using is Platinum, as it's there the numbers make the biggest difference.
Try taking on a platinum Atlas with the Tsol/Hurricane and then do the same with a Tsol/BPP. Try taking out an on-host platinum Phantom with the BPP, oh the horror.
No, but if you had been playing NBA all your life, you'd definitely be qualified to comment on a new player when he appears
Are you calling me or Bateman a new player? If you took your amount of hours played in this game..then tripled them..you would still need to add another 700 hours on top of that to equal mine. Bateman is one of the top platinum solo players here.
On host phantoms are the true bosses of the game, and even using a hurricane on the Tsol won't do you much good. You need either a stagger power/gun or a low RoF, high damage gun
Seriously? You are saying ... A Turian Soldier w Hurricane can't take deal with a phantom?
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I guess using concussive shot or proxy mine to bring up her bubble & using drill rounds to waste her has never worked
I give up...there is no sense..It's like talking to SF all over again.
Are you calling me or Bateman a new player? If you took your amount of hours played in this game..then tripled them..you would still need to add another 700 hours on top of that to equal mine. Bateman is one of the top platinum solo players here.
Seriously? You are saying ... A Turian Soldier w Hurricane can't take deal with a phantom?
The "new player" he's talking about is the BPP....not you or Bateman.
On host phantoms are the true bosses of the game, and even using a hurricane on the Tsol won't do you much good. You need either a stagger power/gun or a low RoF, high damage gun. Or a Cobra
As far as atlases go, I don't see why the BPP should fall short, as on platinum there's even more armor, and the BPP's armor dps is higher than the hurricane's, if I recall correctly.
Let's be clear, I'm not trying to say you are completely wrong and the BPP is an awesome gun. I'm just saying that my experience/knowledge/whatever differs from yours somewhat, and maybe there's some reason behind it. Maybe you haven't played the hurricane Tsol for some time, and you recall it better than it is? Maybe you're failing to land the AP shot consistently on the heads? I don't know, just throwing hypothesis there.
That said, I do agree that the gun's somewhat underwhelming, since it needs the beat buff it can get to be somewhat good, and even then, it doesn't get any better than the hurricane, so why use it.
The "new player" he's talking about is the BPP....not you or Bateman.
I recently did two failed wave 10 Platinum Collector solo attempts with Hurricane/Tsol and that set-up is awesome (mainly my own scrubby ness that messed it up), have recently also done a couple of Tsol/BPP platinum pugs, and at least for me the BPP was nowhere near the Hurricane. Armor is one thing yes, but taking out the Atlas shields is the real trick, the BPP really struggle with that on Platinum, comes down to preferences and play style, but I would chose the Hurricane 10 times out of 10
The real problem with the gun is that it's pretty much worthless without MM, and even with MM it's no better than the hurricane.
Yes, two thoughts on this.
BPP is great against large armored targets since none of its weaknesses matter there. ROF buff means more "AP" shots, and great armor DPS. The gun needs AP Ammo and damage barrel to improve the standard shots from "tickle" to "irritate."
Where this gun sucks is against more typical humanoids. Big accuracy buffs (MM, Devastator Mode) allow you to get a respectable hit rate on mooks, but to get semi-respectable kill times you usually need to focus on getting "AP" headshots. In many cases you end up needing more firing time against humanoids than you would with a variety of other weapons. Worst case is regular character vs Geth, where this gun mostly just shoots around enemies, and you can get staggered out of constant fire, reducing AP shots.
The gun is a specialist weapon, but as such it doesn't really offer enough armor damage relative to Hurricane to justify the drawbacks. I still use it though, since it is an interesting gun. But I do end up cursing it many times when I run it on any character not named TSol or Destroyer.
Oh c'mon now, it was just about to get fun!
I see. I guess that with the shield recharge time bosses have on platinum, the lower shield dps the BPP has might be an issue, at least during a solo.
Me, I'd choose the Hurricane too, but simply cause there's nothing the BPP actually does better than it. Not to mention that it is still useful when you're locked out of MM, lol.
Generally speaking, I was just trying to say that the Tsol might be a bad example to showcase that gun's weakness. All its major shortcomings are negated by MM, and it gets at least on about the same level of a hurricane, even though it's harder to use I guess.
The real problem with the gun is that it's pretty much worthless without MM, and even with MM it's no better than the hurricane.
I mean, a gun can be a good gun either because it's good all around (say, the harrier), or because it needs something to shine, but when you provide that something it trumps anything else.
Pick the Raider, for example. You either need a huge accuracy boost, or you need to be always very close to the enemy (read: charge) to get the best out of it. But once you provide either of those, it gets better than pretty much any other gun. So it makes sense to use it in these situations.
The BPP sucks without MM. But even with MM, it's definitely no better than the hurricane. That, to me, is what makes it fail in an optimization perspective.
I'd love to share all my builds with you guys, but who's got the time for that.
Otherwise I'm trying to think of one the pugs use... I'll be back.
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