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[Boost32]

Such a shame the Bright Hand idea was thrown away to make way for the College, I really didnt like it being forced in every ending. For those who want to know what happened to the Bright Hand:

Spoiler

Source: http://forum.bioware...ase/?p=19694757

[OxidantsHappen]

So that makes twice in this DLC where a bright hand is thrown away.

[thesuperdarkone2]

It's funny how Vivienne is the reason mages broke away in the first place. Seems she has a habit of ruining things. Vivienne is now my most hated companion in the entire series.

[Boost32]

It's funny how Vivienne is the reason mages broke away in the first place. Seems she has a habit of ruining things. Vivienne is now my most hated companion in the entire series.

But she wasnr the reason they have broken away.

[Master Shiori]

It's funny how Vivienne is the reason mages broke away in the first place. Seems she has a habit of ruining things. Vivienne is now my most hated companion in the entire series.

How exactly was she the reason for mages breaking away?

 

The game clearly tells you the mages broke away from Chantry control due to restrictions imposed upon them by the Chantry/Templars.

[Drasanil]

Such a shame the Bright Hand idea was thrown away to make way for the College, I really didnt like it being forced in every ending. For those who want to know what happened to the Bright Hand:

Spoiler

 

Ugh, never had a Bright Hand playthrough, but it is rather annoying how Bioware is forcing the College of Enchanters on everyone. What's even the point when there was already the mages collective around? If they wanted a second organisation that badly they could have just had disgruntled ex-circle mages going underground and joining them.

[zeypher]

Branches have to be pruned off to ensure better continuity. Divergent end states does not help continuity.

[Boost32]

Branches have to be pruned off to ensure better continuity. Divergent end states does not help continuity.

Then they should have planned better instead of annuling player's choices and shoving pro-mages ending on everyone.

[Drasanil]

Then they should have planned better instead of annuling player choices and shoving pro-mages ending on everyone.

 

This. I went out of my way to avoid pro-mage endings and Trespasser still forced them in. How does Viv allowing the College to form out of "respect for the Inquistion" make any sense when my Inquisitor told her we should get those whiny buggers back in their circles post-haste?

[Korva]

Yes, the way Trespasser essentially does a rollback and completely ignores the potentially very different choices, outcomes and Inquisitor personalities in favor of a simplistic one-size-fits-all is really, really bad writing. It makes the whole base game feel like a gigantic red herring.

 

I haven't done In Hushed Whispers and probably never will because I loathe time travel but love what CotJ did with Cole, Envy and Ser Barris ... but sheesh does that "no longer anyone's hand" feel like a particular slap in the face to you mage-alliance-players? An almost explicit reference to that what the Inquisitor built doesn't last?

[Catche Jagger]

It's funny how Vivienne is the reason mages broke away in the first place. Seems she has a habit of ruining things. Vivienne is now my most hated companion in the entire series.

Hahahaha what? Hahahaha

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

This. I went out of my way to avoid pro-mage endings and Trespasser still forced them in. How does Viv allowing the College to form out of "respect for the Inquistion" make any sense when my Inquisitor told her we should get those whiny buggers back in their circles post-haste?

Not to mention there's nothing for people who played as the templars really.
How does divine vivs allying with the templars let the college form out of respect to me?
How are there even enough mages to FORM the college to begin with?

[thesuperdarkone2]

Not to mention there's nothing for people who played as the templars really.
How does divine vivs allying with the templars let the college form out of respect to me?
How are there even enough mages to FORM the college to begin with?

The templars are mentioned if you side with Vivienne where they form the Silver Shield, an independent order created because they hate mages and refuse to serve a mage. 

 

Also, are you really surprised? Gaider seemed to be the only one pushing to make the templars not be as douchey as they normally were (which is funny considering Asunder was blatantly pro-mage), so with him gone, mages are the only faction people care about. Sad that the devs are pro-mage?

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

The templars are mentioned if you side with Vivienne where they form the Silver Shield, an independent order created because they hate mages and refuse to serve a mage. 

 

Also, are you really surprised? Gaider seemed to be the only one pushing to make the templars not be as douchey as they normally were (which is funny considering Asunder was blatantly pro-mage), so with him gone, mages are the only faction people care about. Sad that the devs are pro-mage?

Well there goes my hope for ever seeing the evils of magic again. I really likes the assault on redcliffe tbh. That and the broken circle showed that the templars actually have a point here and there.
Can't wait for even more stupidly idealistic pro mage choices and evil incarnate pro templar choices. With how many people talk about mages are forced on a path they forget that many templars never got a choice either.
Alas there goes the grey morality of it all. You will be missed.

[Boost32]

Lol, thesuperdarkone is on a roll now.

[zeypher]

Then they should have planned better instead of annuling player's choices and shoving pro-mages ending on everyone.

That would have been nice but past experience has made me to stop caring so now i just roll with it. Besides i always felt the mage templar issue not handled well as i found there was a lot off bias involved. When the issue itself was never about two valid sides it stop being interesting. I have realised that the writers lean more towards mage side anyways and thats why i want them to drop this supposed two sides issue because it is not being written as that.

 

So i hope future games just avoid this issue altogether. A conflict between two ideologies requires a more nuanced gritty writing which i do not think EA will allow and not having a set PC pretty much makes it impossible to actually bring this facet out. So yea just avoid this issue in the future completely because every time it pops up it has not been satisfactory.

[Xilizhra]

Well there goes my hope for ever seeing the evils of magic again. I really likes the assault on redcliffe tbh. That and the broken circle showed that the templars actually have a point here and there.
Can't wait for even more stupidly idealistic pro mage choices and evil incarnate pro templar choices. With how many people talk about mages are forced on a path they forget that many templars never got a choice either.
Alas there goes the grey morality of it all. You will be missed.

If we're going to Tevinter next, I seriously doubt that we'll ever see southern templars again, and Tevinter's templars are just enforcers for the Magisterium. However, I honestly think that a pro-mage pack of devs is necessary for Tevinter to be shown in a balanced light instead of evil incarnate, so this change has come at quite an auspicious time.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

If we're going to Tevinter next, I seriously doubt that we'll ever see southern templars again, and Tevinter's templars are just enforcers for the Magisterium. However, I honestly think that a pro-mage pack of devs is necessary for Tevinter to be shown in a balanced light instead of evil incarnate, so this change has come at quite an auspicious time.

I mean I doubt they'll show almost any mage doing A Very Bad^tm. I'm more wondering how pro templar can be done in and of itself in tevinter.
Arrest a magister because they did A Kind Of Not OK^tm?

[Mykel54]

I have to agree. It´s disappointing to see how the different endings are being equalized into a single one with just some text variations. As it is the only choices that seem to matter and carry over in DA games are the romances, everything else gets the equal treatment so all story arcs end up the same no matter what your PC did.

[Xilizhra]

I mean I doubt they'll show almost any mage doing A Very Bad^tm. I'm more wondering how pro templar can be done in and of itself in tevinter.
Arrest a magister because they did A Kind Of Not OK^tm?

I seriously doubt pro-templar will be an option at all in Tevinter, seeing as how there aren't any real templars there at all. Maybe pro-qunari, but I doubt it. I actually wonder if the main conflict will be pro-elf vs. pro-Tevinter.

[Aramintai]

Seems like devs are cutting corners for DA4. Too many variables to keep up, eh?

[SgtSteel91]

I mean I doubt they'll show almost any mage doing A Very Bad^tm. I'm more wondering how pro templar can be done in and of itself in tevinter.
Arrest a magister because they did A Kind Of Not OK^tm?

 

You can maybe give them lyrium, for starters.

[The Baconer]

Then they should have planned better instead of annuling player's choices and shoving pro-mages ending on everyone.

 

Shouldn't every ending be a pro-mage ending if we're fixing up the Circle?

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Shouldn't every ending be a pro-mage ending if we're fixing up the Circle?

In theory the actual conflict is Mage/Templar and Chantry.

[Boost32]

Shouldn't every ending be a pro-mage ending if we're fixing up the Circle?

Not every end should have led to the creation of the College, if they wanted it, they should have canonized who is the Divine.