The obvious solution is to have mages who specialize in nullifying magic. That's supposedly how it used to be before the Towers age, Andrastian mages hunting maleficarum.Soldiers are super good at killing blood mages and aboms, what with their super well known magic suppressing powers and ability to resist mind control.
They'll probably end up forming new nationalized circles under state authority, given that it makes the whole logistics thing easier to handle and keeps potentially dangerous mages confined in one easy to control place.
The obvious solution is to have mages who specialize in nullifying magic. That's supposedly how it used to be before the Towers age, Andrastian mages hunting maleficarum.
And if lynch mobs want to come and attack mages than they shouldn't be surprised when they burn.
And who is going to train these mages? When?
I've yet to see anyone in game that's "pro mage" who addressed the realism of it all. I wouldn't be surprised at all if no mage ever does evil ever again and everything is 100% a ok with full and complete acceptance in an instant.
And 10 year old kids getting hunted for a failed crop killing an entire village and hurting the nations food pop is gonna solve what exactly?
You think the College of Enchanters should hire its own soldiers to patrol population centers to look for mages and beat back any necessary mobs? It could well be a necessary role, but they wouldn't be templars.
That's right, why would they hire someone who would actually have a chance to fight them if they go rampaging, right? Let's exile/ignore/discredit/whatever everyone with ability to nullify magic and hire sellswords who are good only for scaring non-mages!
That's right, why would they hire someone who would actually have a chance to fight them if they go rampaging, right? Let's exile/ignore/discredit/whatever everyone with ability to nullify magic and hire sellswords who are good only for scaring non-mages!
What's your point? That's how freedom works, terrify and oppress the crap out of anyone who isn't special like you 
What's your point? That's how freedom works, terrify and oppress the crap out of anyone who isn't special like you
But... but... what about that unicorns-and-butterflies-magical-wonderland where everyone lived happily ever after? 
They'll probably end up forming new nationalized circles under state authority, given that it makes the whole logistics thing easier to handle and keeps potentially dangerous mages confined in one easy to control place.
If they haven't done so by Trespasser, I doubt they're going to do so, especially now that the College and Circle are competing with each other. Trying to force nationalization would just cause another war, and I wouldn't be surprised if Vivienne's political influence is keeping people from doing that.
That's right, why would they hire someone who would actually have a chance to fight them if they go rampaging, right? Let's exile/ignore/discredit/whatever everyone with ability to nullify magic and hire sellswords who are good only for scaring non-mages!
Hey, it's hardly my fault that almost every templar decided to join Corypheus, and anyone left decided to quit lyrium when they saw Cullen's example. Now, if only there was a nation, preferably one that's stood for thousands of years, that's never used lyrium-addicted templars and yet has never fallen to rampaging abominations... hmmm...
Hey, it's hardly my fault that almost every templar decided to join Corypheus, and anyone left decided to quit lyrium when they saw Cullen's example.
Strangest thing... I remember almost every mage joining Corypheus... (with the exception of Vivienne and her loyalists, who were with me) I wonder who formed that anti-Circle College then... 
Strangest thing... I remember almost every mage joining Corypheus... (with the exception of Vivienne and her loyalists, who were with me) I wonder who formed that anti-Circle College then...
Dorian says in that path that many of the rebel mages fled Redcliffe before the Venatori took complete control. It's possible that some mages who were indentured into the Venatori but not outright brainwashed into it, like Fiona was, fled as well when Corypheus fell, and rejoined their compatriots.
Hey, it's hardly my fault that almost every templar decided to join Corypheus, and anyone left decided to quit lyrium when they saw Cullen's example. Now, if only there was a nation, preferably one that's stood for thousands of years, that's never used lyrium-addicted templars and yet has never fallen to rampaging abominations... hmmm...
Are you actually providing TEVINTER as a good example? The land of sacrificing your own slaves? Inflicting tranquility on your rivals? Murdering rivals in the streets?
They never "fell" to rampant aboms. Their a perfectly normal nation LEAD by them.
Dorian says in that path that many of the rebel mages fled Redcliffe before the Venatori took complete control. It's possible that some mages who were indentured into the Venatori but not outright brainwashed into it, like Fiona was, fled as well when Corypheus fell, and rejoined their compatriots.
Ah, right! I almost forgot about this! The mages were brainwashed to join Cory, whereas the templars all joined him willingly! Now the fluffy-kittens-on-the-rainbows-magical-wonderland finally makes sense!
The pro-templar butthurt is delicious! This was so worth the wait.
The pro-templar butthurt is delicious! This was so worth the wait.
>Uses the word butthurt
>Actually expects to be taken seriously.
Ok.
Are you actually providing TEVINTER as a good example? The land of sacrificing your own slaves? Inflicting tranquility on your rivals? Murdering rivals in the streets?
They never "fell" to rampant aboms. Their a perfectly normal nation LEAD by them.
You think that Tevinter is actually ruled by demons possessing human bodies? I'm fairly sure that isn't the case.
Ah, right! I almost forgot about this! The mages were brainwashed to join Cory, whereas the templars all joined him willingly! Now the fluffy-kittens-on-the-rainbows-magical-wonderland finally makes sense!
How willing the templars were is unclear. Red lyrium seems fairly heavily brainwashy itself, but the short story Paper and Steel seems to imply that most red templars retain their own minds and just have occasional fits of madness.
You think that Tevinter is actually ruled by demons possessing human bodies? I'm fairly sure that isn't the case.
You don't have to be possessed by demons to be a monster, you know.
You want to know the funny part? Mage freedom was working anyway. If it wasn't, why doesn't ANYONE bring up any blood mages or abominations in a Divine Leliana playthrough in Trespasser? Surely if they were going to be rampant as the pro-templars believe, they would have been mentioned to criticize the Inquisition? But they weren't. Heck, even Vivienne grudgingly admits the College is a good place for mages to train. That alone tells me that mage freedom is working. Vindications is so sweet.
You don't have to be possessed by demons to be a monster, you know.
Yeah, you just need to be like Meredith, or Lucius.
You don't have to be possessed by demons to be a monster, you know.
Are you... actually suggesting, that mages would do something bad without being possessed and controlled by a demon? 
Outrageous!
You don't have to be possessed by demons to be a monster, you know.
Maybe not, but an abomination is a very specific type of monster, and was what we were talking about. Obviously, mages can be evil like anyone else, but one doesn't need Circles-as-prisons or lyrium-addict templars to have a nation not torn apart by demons.
You want to know the funny part? Mage freedom was working anyway. If it wasn't, why doesn't ANYONE bring up any blood mages or abominations in a Divine Leliana playthrough in Trespasser? Surely if they were going to be rampant as the pro-templars believe, they would have been mentioned to criticize the Inquisition? But they weren't. Heck, even Vivienne grudgingly admits the College is a good place for mages to train. That alone tells me that mage freedom is working. Vindications is so sweet.
No, it means that Bioware is filled with pro mage people who would rather OOC than actually have conflict.
It's sickening really. Had so much potential. also vivs never said the college was a good place she just decided not to make a fuss over it for quizzy's sake. Because OOC makes more sense than actual in character stuff.
Are you... actually suggesting, that mages would do something bad without being possessed and controlled by a demon?
Outrageous!
I know right? Shocking.
Maybe not, but an abomination is a very specific type of monster, and was what we were talking about. Obviously, mages can be evil like anyone else, but one doesn't need Circles-as-prisons or lyrium-addict templars to have a nation not torn apart by demons.
It being torn apart by non possessed people is so much better, no? If templars aren't going to fight off evil mages who will? Pitchfork wielding farmers? I've seen no canon suggestions.
No, it means that Bioware is filled with pro mage people who would rather OOC than actually have conflict.
It's sickening really. Had so much potential. also vivs never said the college was a good place she just decided not to make a fuss over it for quizzy's sake. Because OOC makes more sense than actual in character stuff.
I know right? Shocking.
It being torn apart by non possessed people is so much better, no? If templars aren't going to fight off evil mages who will? Pitchfork wielding farmers? I've seen no canon suggestions.
Have you actually considered that you may have actually been wrong about mage freedom?
No, it means that Bioware is filled with pro mage people who would rather OOC than actually have conflict.
It's sickening really. Had so much potential. also vivs never said the college was a good place she just decided not to make a fuss over it for quizzy's sake. Because OOC makes more sense than actual in character stuff.
I don't know. It seems to me as though you're claiming that there's lore somewhere that disproves the concept of mage freedom working, but you don't seem to have shown it.
It being torn apart by non possessed people is so much better, no? If templars aren't going to fight off evil mages who will? Pitchfork wielding farmers? I've seen no canon suggestions.
Why would mages tear apart a country just because? Also, other mages can fight renegade mages perfectly well with various antimagic spells.
I don't know. It seems to me as though you're claiming that there's lore somewhere that disproves the concept of mage freedom working, but you don't seem to have shown it.
He doesn't need to, all you need to do is play games and see what crap mages cause when no one is looking and oh boy there is a lot of examples. 
He doesn't need to, all you need to do is play games and see what crap mages cause when no one is looking and oh boy there is a lot of examples.
Doing crap when nobody is looking you say? Were did I saw that before? Oh, right!
Doing crap when nobody is looking you say? Were did I saw that before? Oh, right!
As i recall Arlik posed individual threat and only for mages , so nice try.
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